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Avinash.miles · Jul 31, 2015

yhea, i'm kinda mad at myself for making a "rookie mistake"; at least a mistake that i KNEW BETTER than, but still did it & didn't think it through fully, just wanted to be sure i was pest free before and after taking clones. lesson learned; don't get too comfortable.

forgot to mention i put some other plants into flowering room (in the pools with the smaller gorilla glue plants); Rare Dankness Commerce City Kush, Lightsaber, and flobot (flo x NL5)

Avinash.miles · Aug 13, 2015

room is flipped, again
nearl all plants bounced back, a couple look hurt up, planted another plant or 2 in that kiddie pool to make up for them... hopefully

Seaf0ur · Aug 13, 2015

Avinash.miles said:
had some issues in the room last week; i think it's foliar feed / ipm related.
i sprayed neem oil... then sprayed "pest out", and essential oil blend... containing garlic oil (wettable sulfur?) just after cloning (took tops & bottoms). i THINK the neem & garlic oil combined on the surface of the leaves (and probably in my sprayer aswell, didn't fully clean it in between uses), and caused some light burn or photo-toxicity or something. saw leaves curling and turned yellow, some of the larger leaves just withered and died.

at first i thought it was something to do with my soil;
but smaller plants in smaller pots of the same exact soil in veg are doing fine.... none were sprayed (honestly i did mix the neem and pest out and test it on one plant, a dieselrella x ogk plant in one gallon pot, it shrivleled slightly and lower larger fan leaves died, new growth is slow to come on). i'm pretty sure its not soil related, and is foliar spray related.

I did some reading about the pest out (saw it contained garlic oil) and vaguely remembering something about NEVER mixing neem and sulfur (still tho cant find WHERE the hell i read that; about not using neem and sulfur).
still could be something else, but the affected plants look like they are pulling out of it, putting on fresh new growth up thru the trellis net.

I can help ya there...

Insect Control: Horticultural Oils
by W.S. Cranshaw and B. Baxendale
http://www.ext.colostate.edu/pubs/insect/05569.html

Do not apply oils in combination with sulfur or sulfur-containing pesticides such as Captan or Karathane. They can react with oils to form phytotoxic compounds. Because elemental sulfur can persist for long periods, label directions on most oils prohibit their use within 30 days of a sulfur application.

Avinash.miles · Aug 14, 2015

Seaf0ur said:
I can help ya there...

Insect Control: Horticultural Oils
by W.S. Cranshaw and B. Baxendale
http://www.ext.colostate.edu/pubs/insect/05569.html

thanks, i also found i staring me right in the face on page one of this thread:
https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=43220

welcome back c4! :wave:

wildgrow · Aug 15, 2015

Lets see some sexy ladies!

You've run a few RD strains now - whats your overall opinion? Im thinking of grabbing a couple packs of their Catpiss crosses. Problem is, I cant find any info on them besides the marketing copy.

BOMBAYCAT · Aug 15, 2015

Hey Avi, if you ever need a good botanical pest control, CC (long ago IC member) taught me how to make a tea to spray on the plants out of lavender blooms I ordered from the Pacific N.W.. They use the blossoms for the perfume industry. It kills the adult mites and the eggs also and smells a hell of a lot better than garlic. If you are interested I can give you the recipe. It is a little phototoxic though.

Avinash.miles · Aug 15, 2015

BOMBAYCAT said:
Hey Avi, if you ever need a good botanical pest control, CC (long ago IC member) taught me how to make a tea to spray on the plants out of lavender blooms I ordered from the Pacific N.W.. They use the blossoms for the perfume industry. It kills the adult mites and the eggs also and smells a hell of a lot better than garlic. If you are interested I can give you the recipe. It is a little phototoxic though.

pls post the recipe here,
lavendar grows rampant where im at... can get the flowers for nextt to nothing bulk.

Avinash.miles · Aug 15, 2015

wildgrow said:
Lets see some sexy ladies!

You've run a few RD strains now - whats your overall opinion? Im thinking of grabbing a couple packs of their Catpiss crosses. Problem is, I cant find any info on them besides the marketing copy.

cant say anything bad about RD strains at all, at least one keeper per pack is my exp... only thing i warn about is the OLDER crosses with the afghan in them were hermi prone for me

Miraculous Meds · Aug 15, 2015

Avinash.miles said:
cant say anything bad about RD strains at all, at least one keeper per pack is my exp... only thing i warn about is the OLDER crosses with the afghan in them were hermi prone for me

not familiar with what they used that afghan with. I got their tang kush, msh, n day dream haze, any of those have it in there?

Avinash.miles · Aug 16, 2015

nope, none from that list;
the cougar piss (catpiss x afghan), rectangle (4 corners) (triangle x afghan), and others from that seed drop before RD won a cup.

BOMBAYCAT · Aug 16, 2015

CC's lavender spray for spider mites
kills adults and eggs
Lavender is a member of the mint family like the Rosemary used in the expensive spray. I spray weekly as a preventative and I haven't had any mites for years.

-Dried Lavender flowers 1/4 Cup into 1 gallon of water. Let steep in a warm place like veg room. Let it steep for 4 or 5 days.

-Strain or filter out the flowers really well so it doesn't clog the sprayer. Use 1/2 Cup of this tea mixed with water to make 1 gallon and spray. I use a couple drops of the expensive Ivory liquid dish soap for a surfactant. Regular liquid dish detergent will burn the plants.

-You MUST keep the concentrate in the refrigerator or it will get stronger and kill the plants.

It is only slightly phototoxic to plants, works well, and smells good.

heady blunts · Aug 16, 2015

bombaycat is that CC=clackamas coot?

that is very similar to the lavender FPE jaykush taught me, although my version is much more concentrated, i allow it to ferment fully, and i dilute it much further than the above recommendation.

that must be an old recipe! when i started reading coot's posts in 2010 he was already ranting against FPE. afaik nowadays he uses cold pressed oils or quick steeped botanical teas.

apparently the high concentration of linalool in lavender is what makes it especially effective. a search for "linalool pest control" will reveal plenty of papers on the subject.

Avinash.miles · Aug 16, 2015

BOMBAYCAT said:
CC's lavender spray for spider mites
kills adults and eggs
Lavender is a member of the mint family like the Rosemary used in the expensive spray. I spray weekly as a preventative and I haven't had any mites for years.

-Dried Lavender flowers 1/4 Cup into 1 gallon of water. Let steep in a warm place like veg room. Let it steep for 4 or 5 days.

-Strain or filter out the flowers really well so it doesn't clog the sprayer. Use 1/2 Cup of this tea mixed with water to make 1 gallon and spray. I use a couple drops of the expensive Ivory liquid dish soap for a surfactant. Regular liquid dish detergent will burn the plants.

-You MUST keep the concentrate in the refrigerator or it will get stronger and kill the plants.

It is only slightly phototoxic to plants, works well, and smells good.

thanks alot Bombaycat, appreciate that, will grab up some lavendar and get it stewing!

heady blunts said:
bombaycat is that CC=clackamas coot?

that is very similar to the lavender FPE jaykush taught me, although my version is much more concentrated, i allow it to ferment fully, and i dilute it much further than the above recommendation.

that must be an old recipe! when i started reading coot's posts in 2010 he was already ranting against FPE. afaik nowadays he uses cold pressed oils or quick steeped botanical teas.

apparently the high concentration of linalool in lavender is what makes it especially effective. a search for "linalool pest control" will reveal plenty of papers on the subject.

i never really could fully grasp what the Coot had against FPE's (something about secondary metabolites getting lost in the fermentation proccess, simlar to how i imagine THC is lost when dry-hop brewed into beer).

HB, do you ferment it with the help of EM or Lacto? use sugars at all ?

thanks for the input guys, I'll get a proper update up soon; just locked down a new location (cheaper rent, better landlord, better location) and am preparing to move, all that is holding me to the farm i'm at now is the crops, and that is a very good feeling.

the elbow room is looking good, i've resumed spraying regularly to kill any remaining pests before budset begins (neem iso soap alternating with kelp / calphos). also pulling any infested looking leaves, even if there are no bugs living on it, removing eggs potentially.
transplanted nearly all of my veg recently out of 1 gallons in to 4 gallon pots; ideally i would be going right into a final flowering container / kiddie pool / smart bed, but i'm keeping things in easy to move containers at the moment. might have to supplement their feedings with teas and topcoats later on when the plants get larger.
pics coming soon

BOMBAYCAT · Aug 16, 2015

Hey Heady Blunts that was indeed Clackamas Coot. When I first started growing he took mercy on me and answered a lot of my questions. At that time I was not into being perfectly organic like CC was in growing but I really learned a lot from him. I guess I felt like an apprentice to him even though sometimes he was a bit short in some of his postings on IC.

Seaf0ur · Aug 16, 2015

Rosemary oil is not that expensive... heres 16ozs for under 40$... I use 1ml/1gal so it lasts a good bit.

http://www.100pureessentialoils.com/buy/rosemary-oil-16-oz.html

10 lbs of rosemary oil is 265$... they've also got all the sizes in between...

http://www.100pureessentialoils.com/wholesale/rosemary-oil-10-lbs.html

Avinash.miles · Aug 16, 2015

Seaf0ur said:
Rosemary oil is not that expensive... heres 16ozs for under 40$... I use 1ml/1gal so it lasts a good bit.

http://www.100pureessentialoils.com/buy/rosemary-oil-16-oz.html

10 lbs of rosemary oil is 265$... they've also got all the sizes in between...

http://www.100pureessentialoils.com/wholesale/rosemary-oil-10-lbs.html

I've got some 1gallon pots of tyme and rosemary growing, really wanted to "companion" plant them in the middle of the kiddie pools, but didn't get around to it, maybe next time.
but ya, i've run dry on my paltry essential oils and will NOT be using the "pest out" that contains garlic oil (at least no time soon, and will forever remember the mixtake of mixing it with neem).

Seaf0ur · Aug 16, 2015

not sure if thats companion planting... sounds more like competitive planting haha...
that joint I posted links to has the best prices and biggest sizes of cold pressed oils I've found... worth a bookmark... I use a few of their oils.

MrTea · Aug 16, 2015

Have you checked out Big Time Exterminator? A bit pricey, but a little goes a long way. I've found it's worked on everything foliage related. I've used it successfully against russets, aphids, and now spider mites as well. Plants seem to love it.

Miraculous Meds · Aug 17, 2015

Seaf0ur said:
Rosemary oil is not that expensive... heres 16ozs for under 40$... I use 1ml/1gal so it lasts a good bit.

http://www.100pureessentialoils.com/buy/rosemary-oil-16-oz.html

10 lbs of rosemary oil is 265$... they've also got all the sizes in between...

http://www.100pureessentialoils.com/wholesale/rosemary-oil-10-lbs.html

thanks for sharing. what does it prevent? im looking for good ipm choices, n especially for preventing ra's by root drench. does this work for root drench at that rate too?

any threads talking bout organic ipm choices u guys could point me to?
thanks fellas, :tiphat:

MrTea · Aug 17, 2015

To my knowledge....drenching your soil with oils isn't a good idea. Essential oils require consistent treatment to the foliage of your plants.

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