Advanced Nutrients, Love it or Hate it, State your claim!

farmdalefurr · Jan 20, 2011

what parts of the line are people using? i use sensi a/b grow/bloom. bud candy. big bud. nirvana. roots excel. how about everyones feedings? i water every other day in coco w/ veg anywhere from 0.8-1.8ec and flower from 2.0-2.8ec on a .5 scale, maybe a little higher depending on what the plant can take

greenatik · Jan 20, 2011

TicalionStalion said:
also got a batch of bud candy with weird stuff floating around. I guess its just added proteins to keep it more stable or something like that. the mold is just feeding on the sugars. I dont see how it could be too harmful. I cant speak on the cal mag product tho.

nah man i called the nutrient tech and bghydro, where i bought the stuff, and he said it was a bad batch and it shouldnt have mold floating on top... mine was one of many they had to refund.. id take it back to where u got it and show them and get a replacement bro

greenatik · Jan 20, 2011

i never go above 2.0 ec @ .5, except for my chrystal strain, always wanting more food

sensi a/b
big bud
overdrive
sweet

coco flood n drain, flush once a week
day 14-30 big bud, day 40-55/60 overdrive, flush

vannuysorganic · Jan 20, 2011

I have experienced great results from some AN products, but then again I have also seen extremely negative effects from the inconsistency of their manufacturing and quality control.

So to me alot of hype for a product that is far from reliable. And to me reliability is key.

Oh and the shots at GH all the time WHACK....

VagPuncher · Jan 20, 2011

DMT LOVES the stuff. He swears by it. Every product.

His gardens are pretty bad ass, so I guess I can't really argue much.

We argue about it every time we are together.

J. Greenstein · Jan 23, 2011

I gots floatie shit in my Connie, just noticed it last night. I think it looked like mold can't say for sure. I just used it for 2 feeds so far, but it doesn't seem as potent as expected either. Not happy to see that in such a pricey product...is this normal to see in Conni?

Tela · Jan 24, 2011

I really like a few of ANs products. The big bud and voodoo juice are clearly their best.

What I hate about them is their marketing, Big Mike's attitude and unprofessionalism, their taunting of federal authorities, and their threats to sunlight supply about RICO.

So I buy their shit cause it works. But I'll badmouth their company and their management all day.

VagPuncher · Jan 25, 2011

Mullray, have you ever tried AN products or tried and duplicate them?

VagPuncher · Jan 25, 2011

Ok.

I asked for a reason. I understand the simple idea behind how a bike, motorcycle or car works, but I can't duplicate them. I'd take your word with a lot more merit if you actually made a product that could be on par with AN Big Bud.

Some of the stuff is good.

VagPuncher · Jan 25, 2011

Ok, so send me some of your bomb ass nutes and ill put them to the test.

CT Guy · Jan 25, 2011

mullray said:
Oh and yeah look if you knew what was in tarantula, piranha and voodoo juice and understood the science of bacteria and fungi you'd probably be throwing your bottles of this crud through the hydro store window. Wake up folks. All hydro companies are scam artists - AN is the worst of the lot!

So true. Even industry people hate them, and with good reason. But hey, people like a brand name, and girls in bikinis, and aren't willing to do a little research into what's in a product. If you want to pay a 1000X markup for a fancy label, then go for it! And yes, people will keep on buy AN.....

dmt · Jan 25, 2011

Randybobandy said:
Word REZ

lol, this is an afghani/kush, 1/2 the an line

many growers saw these in person, from vets to noobs, and theyve never seen bigger or higher quality kush nugs. they wer massive lol

there is alot of truth to their ratios,like thgem or not, phosphorous is used equally to calcium in most strains.

and with all do respect, i just recently converted a geezer grower of 40 years to use gh1;1;1 ratio with their 3 part, and hes never seen better results from his grow, and no black ash. he perpetually grows like 12 crops a year, in a dialed space, for 15 years at that location. he swears by it now

i also got a huy to run supernaturals lina (1 part g/b) but with the grow all the way through. same thing, ,ower p meant better yield and finished prodcut, d

VagPuncher · Jan 25, 2011

mullray said:
Hey man I don't produce nutes for others (except for close friends). If AN is so good stick with it Enjoy - ignorance is bliss!

I use Big Bud and Overdrive, that's it.

All I'm saying is, it's easy to bash a company without any evidence or proof your product or any product is better without test's.

So far all you've done is talk like Big Mike.

Madrus Rose · Jan 25, 2011

dmt said:
just recently converted a geezer grower of 40 years to use gh1;1;1 ratio with their 3 part, and hes never seen better results from his grow, and no black ash. he perpetually grows like 12 crops a year, in a dialed space, for 15 years at that location. he swears by it now

also got a guy to run supernaturals line-up (1 part g/b) but with the grow all the way through. same thing, ,lower p meant better yield and finished prodcut, d

As a general experiment that's an interesting and easy one to test out . Had a fantastic round with one go with H&G which is essentially a similar thing as this GH ratio approach u are suggesting . Have never used AN will someday give it a round of trying out ... but hearing what u are saying bout proportions of P & more than happy to test out this approach.

best regards

mrose

* rare to see indoor cola/nugs that large , u canadians sure breed for size ...hav heard one experienced grower running AN about 300ppms over GH round 1600 whats your metering range ? This ppm descrepancy was more due to the variance between Bluelab truncheon & Hanna ppm meter readouts ...the BlueLab reading 3-400ppms less . In regards to AN it was also his opinion that AN is mixed lighter than most other nutes.

(this have yet to test myself , but aware of different meter sensitivity, which is a small PITA)

VagPuncher · Jan 25, 2011

mullray said:
Nice nugs DMT. Love them I have always been a big fan of afghan strains and kush strains. So which nutrient did you use to grow with? The reason I ask is because Sensi Bloom has about expected levels of P. Oh and Ca has to be way higher than P in a formula.

He uses AN. Every product.

orangutang · Jan 25, 2011

dmt said:
lol, this is an afghani/kush, 1/2 the an line

many growers saw these in person, from vets to noobs, and theyve never seen bigger or higher quality kush nugs. they wer massive lol

there is alot of truth to their ratios,like thgem or not, phosphorous is used equally to calcium in most strains.

and with all do respect, i just recently converted a geezer grower of 40 years to use gh1;1;1 ratio with their 3 part, and hes never seen better results from his grow, and no black ash. he perpetually grows like 12 crops a year, in a dialed space, for 15 years at that location. he swears by it now

i also got a huy to run supernaturals lina (1 part g/b) but with the grow all the way through. same thing, ,ower p meant better yield and finished prodcut, d

What pgrs did you load those plants up with? Is that Med Man as the pic is labelled? If so, Med man yields big anyways, even without the pgrs.

Closet_Grower · Jan 25, 2011

anyone I know who grows for a full time living uses the full AN line, every bottle.

I have no opinion if thats good or bad, and to be honest seems crazy but what do I know. the guys I know have been doing it for years and years. and grow top notch shit.

I use AN 3 part with Big Bud, Overdrive and B-52

works for me and AN is cheaper where im from than other products it seems, or at least more available...

just my 2 cents.

dmt · Jan 25, 2011

mullray said:
Nice nugs DMT. Love them I have always been a big fan of afghan strains and kush strains. So which nutrient did you use to grow with? The reason I ask is because Sensi Bloom has about expected levels of P. Oh and Ca has to be way higher than P in a formula.

yo mray, i used an 3part, b52, big bud and overdrive plus carboload which i dont use anymore for sugar, d

dmt · Jan 25, 2011

ive been working on my own big bud with no avail, just know exactly what they use for aminos thats it, would love to know the rest.

8 years ago i gave the same nutes i use a run, agter using gh 3 part as recomended for a year. in a dialed space i got 25% increase in yied plus 25% increase in quality/value, and all my coharts i smoked the bubble hash with swore i changed something dramatically, as i never give out changes when i do field testing to get real unbiased opinions. ive never wanted to use anything else after a 50% overall increase return, and talk about the sweetest smell from the big bud, d

YosemiteSam · Jan 25, 2011

I think it has been established that the aminos used by AN come from either alfalfa or seaweed. But here is the deal...chelating metals with aminos is a very sophisticated chemical reaction. It is not going to happen because you chunk some seaweed in your bottle.

It depends on correct molar ratios, correct pH relative to the isoelectric point of the specific ligand you are using as the chelate and lastly what the hell do you with the anions that dissociate...companies that do this for real eliminate them entirely before you ever use them.

We are living in a fantasy world if we think you can just chunk some junk in your res and then magic will occur and voila...your metals are chelated.

Here is an example of what is really required http://www.scribd.com/doc/39860000/Pure-amino-acid-chelates-US-patent-4599152

So...I believe the aminos in Big Bud do very little to begin with (and in fact if they are not combined with something else to form complete proteins they make the plant more susceptible to pest attack and/or disease). The Mg was basically non existent as shown by the state of OR. So basically, it is nothing more than some cheap old MKP. And just to complete the irony...ANs 100s of PhDs would recommend relatively low P...add this to ANs 3 part formula and all of a sudden you have high P...DOH.

The placebo effect is strong amongst stoners.

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