How did everything work out with your buddy on those issues anyway? 
Massive Outdoor Commercial Grow btw....
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MASSIVE INDOOR COMMERCIAL GROW
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ehhh, once it came down to business and he saw trees, he started to calm down. I'm still takin care of the business and should be verrrry busy tonight.
excited for whats ahead, that of course being taking clones off of 50 mother plants of trainwreck and OG.
wondering what some personal opinions on strain choice would be for a 'larger then most' op.
Trainwreck
OG
NYCD
Strawberry Cough
Grapefruit
Williams Wonder IX
SSH
Skunk #1
I'd have to say though, this cut of NYCD is EXTREMELY prolific, absolutely blows my mind how fast it grows
excited for whats ahead, that of course being taking clones off of 50 mother plants of trainwreck and OG.
wondering what some personal opinions on strain choice would be for a 'larger then most' op.
Trainwreck
OG
NYCD
Strawberry Cough
Grapefruit
Williams Wonder IX
SSH
Skunk #1
I'd have to say though, this cut of NYCD is EXTREMELY prolific, absolutely blows my mind how fast it grows
All 4 feet and BUSHY
all goes well I'd be looking at (a very rough estimate) over 1.5k lil ladies.... easy
He shaped up his act after seeing the progress and realizing that I know what the fuck I'm doing.
After realizing how he doesn't have the picturesque mentality for a partner in this business. I still don't plan on continuing with him for an extended period.
I'm noticing that he realizes he can't handle this as best as is REQUIRED to continue (mentally that is). Therefore after one successful harvest the whole 'business separation' speech and process should be quite easy.
I'm just wondering what he's gonna think when he sees trays upon trays full of clones starting in the next room
Nice.........how do you work those?....little shave for a couple?, or hitting some heavier?ourcee said:All 4 feet and BUSHY
all goes well I'd be looking at (a very rough estimate) over 1.5k lil ladies.... easy
Is there some specific event which led to this?
picturesque mentality
Does he know he blew it and he's getting cut off?
A shame......whenever it happens.....regardless of circumstances....
(reason: I never understand people who through one action for another jeopardize a longstanding profitable arrangement due to temporary issues..(I recently had a fairly serious issue along those line...)
Always a shame.....
I'm just wondering what he's gonna think when he sees trays upon trays full of clones starting in the next room
Don't let em see if possible.....don't let him know anything.......purely need to know basis as much as you can.....because he will still be walking around with information after your long gone...so
Know what I mean?....Glad that all worked out the best it could...sincerely........
Julian said:
doing most fairly heavily, pulling a few off the bottom parts below the main canopy, along with taking the top down a foot or two, then throwin em all in flower. 2 1/2 foot plants with established ancillary branches, tight nodual growth and most importantly, the root system of a 4 foot plant
should be in for a nice ride in the next 2 months
It was the culmination of events, he's come around to the fact that he doesn't have "it" as you were discussing in the massive outdoor thread. (quite an enjoyable read by the way, I'm contemplating a lot with those clones I'm takin right nowIs there some specific event which led to this?
)I think he still has that "I wanna be a baller" notion in his subconscious and quite frankly thats not how a grower should be at all. He's best suited to pick up a QP here or there, flip a lil to pay the phone bill and stick to his 9 to 5.
I think he got the hint :wink:Does he know he blew it and he's getting cut off?
Right there with ya on that one, and had his actions been different over the course of TWO MONTHS he would have been able to take part in that profitable arrangement for who knows how long
of course, and pre prepping the situation I've concocted a fabulously believeable tale of a friend with money and the desire to grow a bit here or there..... which of course would explain why I still come up on P's of the same genetics (might switch it to a few seed packs he doesnt know I have just to make it even more legit). Because for him, after this business separation, I'll be "taking a break for a while". He'd be a good candidate for being someone amongst the first few links in the chain, but he will not be at the first link with me.Don't let em see if possible.....don't let him know anything.......purely need to know basis as much as you can.....because he will still be walking around with information after your long gone...so
also on that note, just like in your stories about the waiter picking up a few here or there. I've come to love the service industry as well :wink:
one friend who I've known for a while was a smoker, but now that we've toked a few times together, opened up a VAST network. Like our friend FullMonty said, "hardcore sells itself"
I'm provin it
AhhhHHHhhhh.......that's why I was like "50 mothers?"ourcee said:doing most fairly heavily, pulling a few off the bottom parts below the main canopy, along with taking the top down a foot or two, then throwin em all in flower. 2 1/2 foot plants with established ancillary branches, tight nodual growth and most importantly, the root system of a 4 foot plant
should be in for a nice ride in the next 2 months
okay, so, your shavin em and flipping em down...I thought you meant like dedicated mothers...mothers mothers.....instead of mothers I got it....on it...what's the story with the 1.5?, different spot?, hold back next round, same deal?...(sounds like a good schedule to me Well thanks man .....thought it appropriate....given the time of yearIt was the culmination of events, he's come around to the fact that he doesn't have "it" as you were discussing in the massive outdoor thread. (quite an enjoyable read by the way, I'm contemplating a lot with those clones I'm takin right now
Ahhhh.......such a shame....such potential wasted.....
That's not a very flattering picture, now is it? ...WTF do people get these ideas.......(shaking head....) see...society...too many rap video's probably
(or re runs of scarface )And hopefully that's that.......You think so? (done, no problems?)
Yeah...noooo respect for such pure stupidity....because, really, I mean, that's what it is........I probably have a pretty good idea what it just cost him in long term income.....(probably a new Escalade and house with a pool...).....
Idiots.....NO respect........shortsighted, selfish..... impatient, some of worst qualities people can have out of the all........
Sounds wise....right direction......no one hurt....everything resolved.....good....sincerely glad everything worked out for you.....Glad to hear....and, sure a valuable lesson learned (alas....welcome to the "I learned the hard way" club
Nice to have you aboard.....but sorry you are Ohhh mannnn that's where it's at...(not to mention for an lb or 2...(6+/-k?.....gets you about 50k in tabs
.....talk about an ROI )Yep.....
.......works well....(just keep em in dark as much as possible....your only here and there occasionally from unknown source...and, you know I'm sure...product always shelf ready...(no hints of wetness, etc...)one friend who I've known for a while was a smoker, but now that we've toked a few times together, opened up a VAST network. Like our friend FullMonty said, "hardcore sells itself"
I'm provin it
Absolutely.........absolutely......just like what was said right? (blow one, lay down a little, then they come back about q, h......then after start asking about z's, the qp'ers....the p's
Fuckin textbook man.....
works the same way everytime
Edit: don't forget......never give due dates.......after a while creates a pattern and people start to suspect your the source....always do the "not sure...I'll ask my guys....I'll let you know...." and, maybe ever throw in a hint of "I dunno....not sure if they even have more....maybe no more"...etc....(doesn';t matter, it'll be gone when it comes around.....
People always fall under the impression if they don't give a date....that they will "lose" the person....business......(asking them for more, when, etc...)
Nah......they want that product, so.....worst case is a slow start when ready......but, they'll take it all eventually
....(I inserted the above more for the general reader, a reminder, etc...might have been discussed previously, might not.......
Due dates, any wetness....always bad.....always bad......if not from start, after a while they will know (anyone down the line) that it's being produced close......people who ship and such....."it'll be there when it's there"...so...any dates...any wetness....too sure...too organized.......will get them assuming, thinking, etc...
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I'd actually like to look into the outdoor scene, seeing as how I dont need 1.5k indoors right nowJulian said:AhhhHHHhhhh.......that's why I was like "50 mothers?"
I figure I'd read the outdoor grow section for a while. Never done it, well I shouldnt say that, very first grow ever, bagseed in my closet at my parents, big ass cardboard box in my closet for 2 months, didnt expect it to even go that long. Long story short got wayyy overgrown and I just put em outside over a few fences, ended up hermie or male but I was just so fascinated that I left em there
no doubt about that, all I see today in these highschoolers (bro just graduated so I see a lot of em) is the "iM gOnNa bE a MoViE sTar!" on their myspace profiles while they use mommy and daddys credit card at abercrombie...WTF do people get these ideas.......(shaking head....) see...society...too many rap video's probably
partly the reason why I love love LOVE this quote from Fight Club
"God damn it, an entire generation pumping gas, waiting tables; slaves with white collars. Advertising has us chasing cars and clothes, working jobs we hate so we can buy shit we don't need. We're the middle children of history, man. No purpose or place. We have no Great War. No Great Depression. Our Great War's a spiritual war... our Great Depression is our lives. We've all been raised on television to believe that one day we'd all be millionaires, and movie gods, and rock stars. But we won't. And we're slowly learning that fact. And we're very, very pissed off."
I'm the black sheep in my whole family and relatives, and I couldn't be happier. Baller? Multi Million dollar mansion with multiple ferraris out front? sorry I'll leave the cliche's to my partner
After knowing this partner for about 2 decades and seeing how he deals with a truly stressful enviroment/hobby, yeah I picture him being somewhat relieved of being in that "first link in the chain" position (which I'll gladly take of course
)he knows it, he knows he fucked himself. hence why he should just stick to his 9-5 and smoke some of the finest green (mine of course hah) in his spare time
haha, wow I've been aboard that one for a while now. Did time myself over a "learn it the hard way" lesson.Sounds wise....right direction......no one hurt....everything resolved.....good....sincerely glad everything worked out for you.....Glad to hear....and, sure a valuable lesson learned (alas....welcome to the "I learned the hard way" club
oh and one of the best parts is, knowing this individual and his smoking background, is that he himself has an INCREDIBLY vast network spanning many states and locales. oh and that 300 an O for some good, not even hardcore, is "a good deal". I can't even wait to see the look on his face when I say my guy gets some "pretty good stuff, cheap too" that of course being 3k a P for my hardcoreOhhh mannnn that's where it's at...(not to mention for an lb or 2...(6+/-k?.....gets you about 50k in tabs
going along with the theme of things in an earlier reply I for some reason have the innate talent of having some kind of premonition and having some kind of story lined up in advance, even before of my own knowing I'd need one... this guy already 'knows' I can 'usually come up on some good shit' with some dealer that likes to frequent the fabled HumboldtYep.....
I just wanted to bold that one for emphasis here, I'm such a firm believer in this. Honestly it doesnt take a rocket scientist to know that it takes ~3 months start to finish for product. I stagger indoor harvests for two reasons, that being one of them, and the other to create a continuous supply with less effort required each month. Like you've said, you give people a due date and then they'll pester you till then, besides if your picking up an extra qp from your guy... why would you even know a due date??
I inserted the above more for the general reader, a reminder, etc...might have been discussed previously, might not.......
couldn't have said it better, whole heartedly agree 100%
It's taken care of....I'm already on it and done...ourcee said:I'd actually like to look into the outdoor scene, seeing as how I dont need 1.5k indoors right now
Believe it or not....it still helped mopre than you realize, and, you'll see why later when your already running
So I'm not the only one who notices?
I could go on about that shit forever man.......movie stars.....music.....self centered........
But...look at the bright side.....
They will have their wake up calls shortly
(Forget high school.......most college students I know are like that......they're going to be the best, they are the best....etc......)
From everything I have seen....that realization.....who and what you truly are......comes at about 30-35........and you realize........Your not.......you never will be.....your just you....
See it every day of my life with people...
(which of course wouldn't be a problem if everyone didn't want to be someone else!
...I was just telling someone earlier...."you are what you are......no matter what that is......be proud of that...."anyway......(stop of rant
)Well, realistically?...most overlook what it takes to even just maintain such...(insurance, taxes, maintenance,house-heating, electric, cooling...etc.....2MM house your talking probably 50k+ a yr just to maintain it......Cars?...well, depending on who you are, you add another 20.....so...
Would be better off owning something smaller.....investments, properties (contributing to future stability and net worth, etc......)
Always best off going smaller and having larger on the side
Not sure where I said it...but, hell.....nicer house, some acreage, pool, hour or so out of city limits
.....pays for itself with minimal effort and everything else is cake (see...people....everyone wants to spend, no one wants to make it, or even think about making it....but, they'll spend it all day long and ever sit making plans how to spend more even though they haven't made any....(younger people mentioned above....)
Well....that sounds even better......(that he might actually realize that he is better suited for another role.......).....After knowing this partner for about 2 decades and seeing how he deals with a truly stressful enviroment/hobby, yeah I picture him being somewhat relieved of being in that "first link in the chain" position (which I'll gladly take of course
Problems I just experienced?....25 fuckin years....the level of trust.......unimaginable.....all down the tubes....(in reality I saw it coming and broke my own rules...so...no one to blame but myself....)...eh, anyway....
Good that he knows it....everything is always best settled in the simplest way possible, maintaining, if possible, good relations......always the best.....
Most of the time people who advocate immediate violence are not ones who are familiar with it
....doesn't work like on TV.....Always best to explore other options and try and work those..(and, in your case, seems like in the end...for the better, and, "good business"....and....if he's a good boy?....well....then maybe you'll throw him an extra bone, and over time...loyalty and trust will return (on his part), unless they have already started to....
When they realize, truly, themselves their mistakes.......well.....makes everything much, much easier(on your part....they straighten it all out for you....)
Glad to hear it....
Ahhh....I know man...I completely forgot about that.......sorry...well, then, welcome back
Yeah, I was going to say...don't milk him or accept that......and, be aware of his end also.....if he can dump for 5k(300=4800) then he's making 2k per, which is extremely healthy, and, more than I allow.....I would say do him 32 and maybe set a limit for him also (tell him don't charge more than 42...something...you don't want him milking people...creates animosity towards him which in turn can indirectly effect you, so....this is why I have always tried to control prices down the line......have to be fair to everyone down the line......keep everyone happyoh and one of the best parts is, knowing this individual and his smoking background, is that he himself has an INCREDIBLY vast network spanning many states and locales. oh and that 300 an O for some good, not even hardcore, is "a good deal". I can't even wait to see the look on his face when I say my guy gets some "pretty good stuff, cheap too" that of course being 3k a P for my hardcore
(maybe 3, he charges 4....they charge 5....etc....everyone makes a g.......g a p is quite healthy, more so nthe more volume goes up, ya know? quite healthy....going along with the theme of things in an earlier reply I for some reason have the innate talent of having some kind of premonition and having some kind of story lined up in advance, even before of my own knowing I'd need one... this guy already 'knows' I can 'usually come up on some good shit' with some dealer that likes to frequent the fabled Humboldt
...sounds about right to me Well, and, as you know...and, as others I am sure see....you throw due dates and then ON TO of it a little wetness?...pffft...why not just wave a flag that says you made it
same fuckin thing imo ....ya know?Now......the real significance of that is since it's established that source is near....god forbid if anything should happen down the line....well...that much pressure will be exerted because the bullshit random little possession issue will turn into a high pressure hunt for the nearby confirmed source....
Everyones best interest to keep it shelf ready.....
Besides.....people think sometimes they make more on the weight when imo the real money comes with a better product anyway....so....either make 20% more because wet or the same 20% more due to cured and quality......so.....I take great pride in my product and would match it against anyone else's.....I'm sure your the same.....(many are despite peoples assumptions
After my first heartwelt welcoming to the 'Learn in the hard way' ship, my lil visit to the greybar hotel for a handfull of months. I severely changed how trusting I am of any and everyone, including family members and friends I've known since birth. I might be able to put more faith in this person down the line, who knows, a year, 5, 10 maybe? But for the moment my guard is up 100%Julian said:
I actually was thinking the same thing before you even mentioned it. I know this person could move things down to 20 a gram if needed, so him making 4k a P would be rediculous and like you said, create animosity, $10 here or there could make the diff, however I'd obviously not plop a kilo down infront of him and say "here ya go, have fun", work up to higher levels and establish that if its going to progress past QP's that theres a limit on those links in the chain,Yeah, I was going to say...don't milk him or accept that......and, be aware of his end also.....if he can dump for 5k(300=4800) then he's making 2k per, which is extremely healthy, and, more than I allow.....I would say do him 32 and maybe set a limit for him also (tell him don't charge more than 42...something...you don't want him milking people...creates animosity towards him which in turn can indirectly effect you, so....this is why I have always tried to control prices down the line......have to be fair to everyone down the line......keep everyone happy
plus it'd be easier to move on his end
Gotcha....well, you know.....if HE realized, and IS sorry, and IS changing (on his own....) that should buy him early parole don't forget...(says a lot about someone....)ourcee said:
Okay...........
1. You mix and match gram people with everyone else all the way up to multi lb people....creates a greater risk......(of course reason is because the little people are talkers, security means nothing because they have nothing to worry about and protect....so, something to think about
. Never want same person taking care of all UNLESS..(and a big unless because above exposure still applies...), UNLESS they are VERY disciplined....(which he is probably not given recent history and issues.....)You know what I mean........anything over p's and multi on up..."different kinds of people"..........smaller people are the talkers....about their guy...about their bud....about how it comes from Humbolt, etc, etc.....you know what I mean.....
2. regarding a bonus here and there,...throwing him a bone.....you factor it into his price up front.....
Meaning: Forget the 3....make it 32.....34....even 36+ if he is doing smaller stuff......and, occasionally, you throw him a bonus, which is not really a bonus because he's been paying extra for it anyway
(this is what's done on a larger scale to cover potential legal expenses people might run into.....it's covered, because of course they have been paying to cover it 3.Example: I might say (theoretical, of course
........) I might do things to someone for 3200, but, really, I don't really care....I would do it for 2750.....so...I mean....if I throw em an odd package (let's say I have a package that's like 10 and some change, almost 11....I might tell him " Let's just call it 10....." (and, of course, on a consists basis with colume, I mean, things like that, add up.....Another example......(I always have a lot of odd packages from harvest...different plants, different plots, different places, city, large, etc...) So.....for example...might have 10 and some change....might tell him.....3k each........and, package might be really as above, over, so, like 11.....(so he's thinking 33.....) but, then, when comes time to pay (and I knew this when I gave it to him, but held back my intentions
.....) so, when time to pay, might tell him "eh, it's cool....and throw him back 5k?...etc.........really, the whole time....keeping my bottom line in mind anyway.....(plus out of really nice things when I look at em later I might pull a couple handfulls because looks nice for later (which I would give away anyway to someone along the way...gifts, samples, etc
.....so, packages are always odd anyway....but, I find that kind of stuff goes a long way towards good will....3.Always remember to watch what's floating around....if he's doing small, he doesn't need couple on hand anyway....so.....(and, likewise, you shouldn't keeop anything around either...always keep any and everything separate...
......sealed in storage spot...maybe 1 on hand with him...maybe 1 on hand with you...maybe rest 1-2+ other places, etc (never anything at op.....)Note: For me a little different because from the outdoors, well....you know......thee way I look at it is once I have what I want.....need...etc...I mean, it's really all free....so, let's say my target is ______, and, the final looks like _________, then, of course, I really write that off as gravy and just adjust prices and alter things as I see fity...so, know different situation when a limited fixed yield from in (I've always done same for the ins, but, on slightly different scale...per project...ie: project A is what I want....so, B, C, D are really gravy and can play with them, etc.....Lot of ways you can play around..(and, of course, you use some for service people, and, your turning 1-2lbs a year into 50k in food and drink also
Hell....can even make deals with people (painters, tile, carpenters, etc....can get 100k in work done on a place for 10lbs, etc....) Endless things cause essentially it's currency......in the end....
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Julian said:2. regarding a bonus here and there,...throwing him a bone.....you factor it into his price up front.....
Meaning: Forget the 3....make it 32.....34....even 36+ if he is doing smaller stuff......and, occasionally, you throw him a bonus, which is not really a bonus because he's been paying extra for it anyway
exactly what I'm predicting. I'm not gonna walk up and give em my baseline price as the only one, like you said, I could do it for 2.5 if I wanted, but moving up in business together is the only way to get to that level, and that will take years.
of course, separate the grow, product, and any cash.3.Always remember to watch what's floating around....if he's doing small, he doesn't need couple on hand anyway....so.....(and, likewise, you shouldn't keeop anything around either...always keep any and everything separate...
I'd anticipate things starting somewhat slower with this person anyways, which is what I'd want. Maybe an O here or there, slowly and steadily moving up and him moving up in his own chain, eventually supplying the people who used to supply him.
Multiple people, some already ready at the multi P level, others not so much.
Well, don't get carried awayourcee said:
(25).....and, you know...remember the breakdowns..(3200/200 z, 3600 225z,4000/250 z, etc) , so, I mean....3600....and, 225 z for hardcore is a GREAT price for small people (z people).....225 hardcore?....means they can do 300, which is okayyyyy, and, still make a fair amount (even 250......50 per z is almost 1k an lb in pocket, but, alwys have to assume those people might dump a little and want to be fair to everyone....everyone has to make their piece....(I mean, I say lower than 3 because talking greater volume, and, the out stuff also...which is always a little "dirtier" than the in....)
Well, the other angle people miss also is that if YOU have people....of course, you send them his way and he handles that (if your running op, your should NEVER be handling deals firsthand....always best to set someone up, give them a piece and send people their way.....you NEVER want a hand to hand...only to your own guy......) So...this is something that a lot should keep in mind.....(I had a partner for a while who refused to do this because he didn't want to "give away" his money........HUGE risk in doing things yourself...best always to set another up and send all your business through them....you get your end....you get your safety....everything is fine.....
(reason....you don't want an op brought down from a tiny hand to hand .....things happen...could be a best friend...could be a random stop.....etc....things happen.....best always not to do it yourself
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Yeah.......that's how you want it..(and, frankly......someone you like...someone you want to take care of?...well, you just gave an an easy part time job for good cash , so, I always say choose the person wisely , cause it is a big deal, and, you are taking care of someone.....)
If greater volume?...spread it around, and, couple jobs for couple people......
Power............is being able to give or get people jobs.....and making people money
You make people money?......You'll always be safe
, so, I always say choose the person wisely , cause it is a big deal, and, you are taking care of someone.....)If greater volume?...spread it around, and, couple jobs for couple people
......Power............is being able to give or get people jobs.....and making people money
You make people money?......You'll always be safe
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5000 plants would not be possible to sustain for any length of time
pumpkin2006
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Your funny
Of course it is, you just have to simplify many things. 6" rockwool on a floor with pond line and a 500 gallon res with lucas formula and drip - feed to waste. The amount of lights and power is staggering, but possible.
I took 95 cuttings tonight, took me about 30 minutes and have the ability to take about 200 more. In another month, I could probably take an easy 1000+ and if you have the ability to flower 5000, then you have the ability to produce that many clones.
heh, I just took 100 more last night, I thought I wouldn't be able to get as many as I did off the few amount of plants I clipped... after cuttin one small lower branch and getting 7 clones off just that one branch I was kinda laughing at my underestimation of what I could end up taking off all my 'for the moment' motherspumpkin2006 said:
Hmmmmm....you know...I'd be curious what is the most anyone (not record, just that people do) has ever done at one sitting.,.......(For me, one of last runs I did 1,000 in a day (night).....many, many hours, and, completely, utterly exhausting..)
(5 bushes,cut into 200 each, 2 per RW plug..)
(5 bushes,cut into 200 each, 2 per RW plug..)
