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Let's talk Hazes & her hybrids in history, the market or labs.

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A thread to discuss Haze

I don't know enough to contribute much - but I did see a need for a separate thread to discuss the collective knowledge.


I flunked Algebra :bat: :confused:
swazi x swazi-'88 -200
SA B* x sa 1^ -50
HZC2 x5AC 3^ -50
HAW SAT x HZC -200
HZC2 -200
HZ2 x 5ac 2^ -50
HZC2 x 5AC1^-50
HP x HZA -100
5SKC1 x 5A2C(A)-150
HP.1 x SK7 M 7.1 -150
SK185 (1)* x SK185^ '88-50
5SKC1 x 5A1(E) -50
5SKC1 x HzC2A -150
5SKC1 x 5A2C (B)^-150
SK17 x HZA^ -150
5SKC1 x 5A2C(c)^-150
5SKC1 x 5A2C(d)^-100
ORT x ORT '88-150
EP^'89 xEP*'87 '03-85
DURBAN x HZC -100
G 13 x HZC '90 -1000
HP x HZA -100
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Dr. D

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Great idea NWM...does anyone else understand that list..i dont :confused:
id also like to bring up what l33t said in the cannalope haze thread about headman stating SSH is nl/haze x skunk#1..i was always under this impression until i saw Shantibaba state that it is nl/haze x sk#1/haze...
 
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to decipher the code is easy. 5 is nl5, sk is skunk and a or c is the haze male. i do not see any of these with a skunk haze parent. could u please direct me to where shanti says ssh is nl5haze x skunk haze
 
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the # at the right is the amount of seeds that were made available to me.
 
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btw g13xHaze didnt combined really well . That is one of the reason nevil sold it only for the first year after releasing it . If it combined well he would have kept at least some seeds but he didnt . He kept the g13xsk1 which combined really well compared to the g13xhaze but g13xNL was also very nice . The cannalope haze really looks like a c99 at the bottom of the seed list there is g13 x haze. at least 1000 were made available to me
 
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. maybe shanti has made a new version of ssh with these parents. i know what i got in 1998 was nl5sk1 x haze. i will get a hold of nevil to confirm this info. i always go to the source. i have some pix from the cannabis castle in 1994 taken in the breeding rooms. there is blackboard with the work nevil was doing and on it is the reworked jack herer. it reads 5skc to me it reads nl5sk1 x the haze c male. also in 1997 i had the privilage to sample the first 3/4 haze that nevil grew out. it turned me and my friends into laughing little kids , similiar to the first time getting high, i know you all know that feeling.
 
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The Story Behind the Haze

The Story Behind the Haze

In the 1970's there were two brothers growing pot in Monterey, California who were known as the Haze Brothers. They were working on a super all-sativa strain that would do well in their location. They experimented, taking a variety of pure sativas and crossing them. A combination of several sativas, including a Mexican/Columbian and some Thai, resulting in a long season sativa that produced great results outdoors just inland of Monnterey. The brothers ggrew in the mountains, where their crop was protected from the wind but still recieved the tremendous amount of light needed to develop big buds. When mature their plants werre very tall between six-twelve, with long thin buds that produced whispy red pistils. The aroma of the dried buds and smoke was complex and sweet, and the high it produced was very intense and cerebral with a psychedelic edge. Known as the Haze. the variety became popular in the Bay Area of California during trhe next decade.
The Haze brothers eventually retired, but first they made a visit to the Netherlands, where they met with Nevil, a breeder whos name has often been associated with the Haze and its hybrids. Nevil acquired Haze seeds from them, preserving the strain and using it for many crosses.He found that a pure Haze was a difficult variety to grow, requiring proffesional care and alot of patience because of its long season.. but it was very good for hybridization. Today, the Haze variety appears in many crosses that are available, and remains a favourite of many sativa connoisseurs.

Copied from the Big Book of Buds....
 
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Hi headman what you have described there sounds like the desccrip for Silver Haze not the Super?
 
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i just looked at the seed bank catalogues from 1988-89. there is no mention of a silver haze. in 1988 the first haze crosses were made available. 1989 was the first year nl5 haze was offered. does anyone know where the old seed bank catalogues can be found online so fans can read all about it.
 
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we need to have party for haze fans. maybe the 420 cup could have a haze catagory separate from the indica and sativa cups.
 
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ssh was entered in the 1997 ht cup. seeds were available along with the nevil's haze during the 1998 cup.
 
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I was under the impression that sam brought over the bros haze to the dutch. have never heard anything about the haze bros meetin neville and givin him beans.

seems there was weed called haze that was not bred by the bros either. haze may have been around before those guys, and they just picked up the line and ran with it. wolfmans haze is said to be from a different source then the bros????

CBF
 
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Hey CBF I think that the name Haze comes from those brothers..it was named after them, tho i could well be wrong..
btw NWM i cant enlarge those pics to get a good look at them.
 
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ah I wrote a big big post but it was lost ... oh well I will rewrite it but more compact

Shantibaba never rereleased(with different lineage) or reworked the super silver haze or nevilles haze . While neville chose a particular nl5xhaze female ( from a thousand+ of plants ) , shanti chose a different one and went with the mango haze . Basically ssh and mango haze are sisters with same father if that makes sense .

The seed list you mention is what I would call now "test releases" but they surely werent then . Why are these strains lost and Super silver haze and nevilles haze are still alive ? The answer is pretty easy , because most of the strains you mention , the parents didnt combine well , otherwise there would be on the market . It is very easy for shanti/neville to make a nl5xsk1 x haze ( or whatever , they still posses the original clones to recreate these hybrids ) but obviously they chose ssh / nevilles haze / mango haze over the crosses you mention . btw the nl5xhaze x sk1 you mention isnt the super silver haze , just another nl5 haze sk1 cross .

can I come to the 4/20 haze party ? I promise to bring some ssh :wave:

( super silver haze NL/SK dominant pheno flowered from seed - 73 day from seed .. ;) )

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( sorry for the big photo )
 
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shanti chose a different one and went with the mango haze . Basically ssh and mango haze are sisters with same father if that makes sense .
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Mango Haze by Shantibaba ~ Limited Release

This strain is a parallel line to the Super Silver Haze, i.e. it has the same Haze father and the mother is a sister of the SSH. Accordingly, the genetic makeup of this strain is 25% NL5, 25% Skunk and 50% Haze.
The expected flowering times depend very much on the selection of the mother but in general will vary from *8 to 11 weeks, so it is a practical 50% sativa for indoor growing. It is suggested that if the room does not have much height, go directly into 12/12 with a rooted clone or seed. This will still give a 1-1.5 meter plant.
Yields of this strain are expected to produce between 450-550 grams per square meter (based on using minimum of 600 watts lamps). Lower branches may be pruned during the grow or pre flower phase, so the Mango strain puts its energy into the cola flower clusters. This is a good way to manage this plant if growing more plants per square meter than normal is preferred. The resistance to moulds is a positive feature of this plant, both for indoor and outdoor growers. Mango is a very special plant if one is impressed by resin production, and the aroma is of fully ripe mangos. It is special plant affecting people’s cerebral areas.
The plant’s ancestors were HTCC winners of numerous awards, so its pedigree is outstanding. It has been in the making for some years now, but we at MNS feel it is as ready as it ever will be.
If only the serpent in the Garden of Eden had tempted Eve with a Mango Haze instead of a mere apple, the whole world would have understood so much more.
http://www.seedbay.com/item.php?id=14320

*I notice that it states some can finish as fast as 8 weeks
 
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