But really, what actually is a clone?

[UptownShakes]

People grow from clones ... Yes. You keep a mom, then you can do anything you like with the clones. Grow this way grow that.

Each clone is a new plant for you to mold and grow how you see fit.

But really isn't a clone just an extension of a plant that's already been grown.

If you have a stretchy mom, aren't all the clone plants then going to be genetically stretchy. Moreover, you root a cutting, it's now technically a clone ... This clone isn't going to grow as a seed would in the native structure or the plants genetics... Isn't it just a branch growing?

In other words... Does a clone, once rooted, grow the same as a plant from seed?

 

[VerdantGreen]

no, it grows like a clone. they tend to have a little less vigor than seeds (which can be a good thing), but you know exactly what it's potential will be because it is genetically the same as its mother.

seed plants can be very different from their parents and each other.

 

[Japanfreakier]

It should have the same finale shape and grow the same but with less vigor.

 

[ibjamming]

That's what a clone is...a part of the plant turned into another whole plant. Like cutting off your leg and it turning into a copy of you.

That's what cloning is for...to keep that one special plant alive forever.

 

[*mistress*]

branch/shoot selection...

branch/shoot selection...

on every plant, 1-3 branches, express best of plant.
can be terminal flowers (tops) or other branches.
maybe, select for best (dominant structure) during weeks 1-4 of flowering. cut & re-veg...

strong branches
elongation w/ close inter-nodes
dominance on the plant
1st to show pre-flowers under 15/9...

ideally, all keepers tested for

draught stress
heat stress
water stress
different media

all 1st-tyme cuts tested for actual flower tymes by reducing 24/0 by 30min/day untill pre-flowers show. usually @ 15/9-14-10...

also, take to @ least 70 days to find when fully done...

& re-vegged.... to find which can/cant...

then, after this, maybe/maybe not 'keeper'...

 

[UptownShakes]

on every plant, 1-3 branches, express best of plant.
can be terminal flowers (tops) or other branches.
maybe, select for best (dominant structure) during weeks 1-4 of flowering. cut & re-veg...

strong branches
elongation w/ close inter-nodes
dominance on the plant
1st to show pre-flowers under 15/9...

ideally, all keepers tested for

draught stress
heat stress
water stress
different media

all 1st-tyme cuts tested for actual flower tymes by reducing 24/0 by 30min/day untill pre-flowers show. usually @ 15/9-14-10...

also, take to @ least 70 days to find when fully done...

& re-vegged.... to find which can/cant...

then, after this, maybe/maybe not 'keeper'...

Dang mistress, good info...that's what I'm talking bout

Thank you

Let me ask ya this though, you're saying ... Flip em to flower, then in 2 weeks take good strong clippings from the plant .... Reveg those clippings ... Essentially revert them back to veg through 18/6 or 20/4, or 24/7. Any problems with this method for taking clones for a keeper mom?

Will the reveg work .... Basically just lengthen the hours of light for the clippings ... How long will reveg be a month?

Will taking the one clipping during first 2 weeks of flower negatively effect the doner flowering plant?

Won't the doner plant not have time since its flowering to reveg that clipped branch ... Also will clipping the flowering donna plant stunt the donors flowering or growth?

 

[xmobotx]

as a side not: cuttings taken around week 2 to 3 of flowering will exhibit different nodal branching referred to as "monster-cropping."

the process of starting clones involves veg cycle lighting and the cutting will be in veg state once it starts to exhibit growth again.

 

[V1AAA]

if you took the clone itself from the mom that was 2 or 3 weeks into flower the time taken to revert back to veg depends on the mother plant itself

some mothers take well to topping, and the clones might revert quite quickly, others will take longer to revert. also the shock from topping certain mothers might cause it enough shock to stretch between buds

i have perfect examples of this. i took some super lemon haze clones 9 days into flower. they rooted in 2 weeks. but when put onto the tables they grew funcky for another week to 2 weeks. the mother wasnt affected in the way of stretching from the shock

my sssdh clones stay strong when clones are took in flower, and revert quite quickly though the doner plants buds wont join up in 1 big hefty kola if took between week 1 and 3 in flower. if took after week 3 the doner shows no sign of stress, though the clones take 4 weeks to revert

a certain mother of super silver haze i have just doesnt give a shit. take clones 6 week into flower, and she dont care. the clones root super quick (probably from stress) but take time to revert

also, i find that slightly thicker stem clones grow quicker once they start moving, and always give me a bigger main kola. usually with a better structure, though i havent bothered to test more recently

 

[UptownShakes]

So technically, to clarify, a clone does not have it's original moms growing traits. Meaning, a silver haze clone will develop differently than a silver haze from seed?

In other words. Say you grow a silver haze plant from seed, you take a cutting, root it and now you have a clone ... If both original seed plant and clone are left to grow side by side ... Does the seed plant obviously grows In its natural genetic structure, shape, etc ... But jow does the clone grow once rooted. Because it's technically not it's own plant setting out into the world from seed ... It's just a branch ... After roots form, what dictates it's growing structure ,,, is it all up to he grower at that point

Also, if you grow a plant from seed and then top it or fim or whatever, you then cause the plant to have more than one main cola so this topped plant now looses it's original genetic growth tendencies. Now say you take that top and clone it, well now you have another plant that is no longer going to possess natural growing tendencies. Yes the genetics are the same, potency and yield are the same but ... If grown from seed, then cloned, it seems that neither the seed or the clone retain the original growing patterns ... No?

 

[UptownShakes]

Also, I heard reveggin can lead to lower potency, lower yields,and hermies ...

I hear taking clones during flowering is a nono

 

[Grat3fulh3ad]

every single seed plant will be genetically different from every other seed plant.
no two plants from seed will grow exactly the same herb (unless they are twins).
clones from the same plant (or clones of clones of the same plant) are all genetically identical, and under the identical conditions will grow the exact same herb as the seed plant they came from, in perpetuity, just with slightly(barely noticeable) less vigor.

clone |klōn|
noun Biology
a group of organisms or cells produced asexually from one ancestor or stock, to which they are genetically identical.
• an individual organism or cell so produced.

 

[SmilinBob]

The way plants respond to topping, fimming, etc is natural. It was trained by mother nature over thousands of years to know exactly what to do if something happens.

Parent and clone are genetically identical.

 

[UptownShakes]

Gotcha

 

[*mistress*]

Let me ask ya this though, you're saying ... Flip em to flower, then in 2 weeks take good strong clippings from the plant .... Reveg those clippings ... Essentially revert them back to veg through 18/6 or 20/4, or 24/7. Any problems with this method for taking clones for a keeper mom?

no issues.
up to wk 4, 5, 6+...

Will the reveg work .... Basically just lengthen the hours of light for the clippings ... How long will reveg be a month?

differetnt for diferent genetics. 6 wks until new-regular growth, or more...

Will taking the one clipping during first 2 weeks of flower negatively effect the doner flowering plant?

no

Won't the doner plant not have time since its flowering to reveg that clipped branch ... Also will clipping the flowering donna plant stunt the donors flowering or growth?

So technically, to clarify, a clone does not have it's original moms growing traits. Meaning, a silver haze clone will develop differently than a silver haze from seed?

plants age differently... depending on branch taken, that is genetic age of rooted cut. ... different cuts from different pasrts of plantee havbe different hormonal ages, maybe give different traits when groen.

In other words. Say you grow a silver haze plant from seed, you take a cutting, root it and now you have a clone ... If both original seed plant and clone are left to grow side by side ... Does the seed plant obviously grows In its natural genetic structure, shape, etc ... But jow does the clone grow once rooted. Because it's technically not it's own plant setting out into the world from seed ... It's just a branch ... After roots form, what dictates it's growing structure ,,, is it all up to he grower at that point

yes.
that is why many prune/thin/etc... to cull 'weak' or 'sucker' shoots/branches.

True Breeding Stock @ https://www.icmag.com/ic/showpost.php?p=3211789&postcount=7

hope this help

 

[UptownShakes]

Thanks mistress, and all ... But especially you mistress. Its so funny how I post specific questions, and this happens in all forums, and people just respond and type away and half of the time it has nothing to do with the very specifics i posted about in the first place ... Lol

People are too funny ... You're alright mistress, i appreciate the effort and attention to detail ... Sexy avatar by the way