Whos got the best Afghan?

[Hammerhead]

Well I act surprised, but surely the server fees aren't cheap
Is seedbay paying any bills ? They have any goods on the list lately ?

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We aint getting any younger either @Hammerhead lot of the vendors on this list are vintage
Anyone have the seed list link?

Karma's vendor status had expired that's why ICMAG archived his forum. It's been taken care of. Most/All forums that don't get any traffic are archived to save space. I don't know what the criteria is for that to happen. All of the Seed stock has to be pretty old at the boo/bay.

 

[RoyalFlush]

The threads are still there we just can't post in them anymore. It's clear my post was a response was to @acespicoli. No clue what Nevile or Shanti has to do with my post. ICMAG archives the threads/Forums not the thread's forum owners. I just went through this when Karma's forum got archived. You are welcome to ask admin. That is as real as it gets.

Sorry about that, Hammer. I miss read a few posts. I thought the convo was about threads/info getting deleted over at MNS forum.

 

[420PyRoS]

Is that a S1 or the BX1? Looks proper either way!

-DD

S1's

 

[befa]

I got a pack of ortega from FDM. 11 seeds 8 white and immature and 3 that looked good. Germ rate was 3 for 11. I was hesitant to order from FDM and should have spent my dollars elsewhere. No freebies either.

I'm really sorry for you ,the same as you ,maybe more luck on the indiana BX3, 4 beans out 2 females and a super male with red stem ,but above all do not hesitate to report to them ,I think their service can send you back a new package
I'm posting tof as proof if it helps
You can even see empty pods, burst, crumbs and the 4 viable beans.
I thought I had bad luck, but I see that I haven't, that's one reason why I don't denigrate the seed grower's work until I've read other opinions ,unfortunately here the work of packing the beans turns out to be disinterested if not sabotaged, sad because the indiana BX3 work rather well here ,super chemical strawberry smell ,with a hyper resinous acid pheno, a pity because I think FDM has good tools.

 

[acespicoli]

Ortega - Real Gorilla Seeds

Ortega was originally made a little different from Nevil when he was doing his Seedbank thing with Sensi...Shantibaba made a selection from an old school set of seeds that originated from NL#1 and NL#5...from mid 80s. It is expected to keep a good Christmas tree structure in growth and flowers...

www.realgorillaseeds.com

This ortega is different

the clone is different ...

These are for the terps seems there is always a trade off between high thc and terpene levels. What I mean is if there is a max of 30% thc in your dried flower...go from there and work backwards.... what is the least thc your wiling to accept in your dried flower? 5-10% or maybe 15 - 20%thc? @Hammerhead how much of the effect is attributed to the terpenes?

Then there is the is this a plant bred for flower consumption or is it a resin production hash plant? What is the finished resin thc% what glands are produced on the flower and what type of gland is produced on the leaf are the sugar leaf glands the same as the ones on the caylx is the chemisty of the synthesized cannabinoids the same.

Am I even caring about caylx to leaf ratio?
In an hashplant ? Will I smoke a hashplant as flower?

Some of the best plants are side lined simply due to us not knowing how to put them to use as intended, then theres the rare few lines that are dual purpose they have been taken from the hashplant line and refined to a dual purpose line.

In the less removed generations from open pollenation the wild smells still exist... do clones and f-teenish gens drift from orig phenos?

Is a cutting from afghanistan still the same plant 30 years later, would the terpene reports differ? the oldest clones are seldom 20 years old, sams oldest is like 20, the rom is old, karels sssc has a old one, some og 's maybe,

These are the questions that some of us lose sleep over ?

Im glad you guys are here pheno hunting the landrace afghanica the terpene % is strong in these. Good for amped up hybrids with the classics! The bx could be and I have seen some that surpasss the clone only and s1

Maybe some would share this experience?

Maybe not for the purist, but definately for the cannasseur !!!

>>>Best >>>

 

[acespicoli]

I'm really sorry for you ,the same as you ,maybe more luck on the indiana BX3, 4 beans out 2 females and a super male with red stem ,but above all do not hesitate to report to them ,I think their service can send you back a new package
I'm posting tof as proof if it helps
You can even see empty pods, burst, crumbs and the 4 viable beans.
I thought I had bad luck, but I see that I haven't, that's one reason why I don't denigrate the seed grower's work until I've read other opinions ,unfortunately here the work of packing the beans turns out to be disinterested if not sabotaged, sad because the indiana BX3 work rather well here ,super chemical strawberry smell ,with a hyper resinous acid pheno, a pity because I think FDM has good tools. View attachment 18911477 View attachment 18911478 View attachment 18911479

I see 3 possible 4-5 is iffy
One thing you never see on cannabis seed packs is the germination % listed for viable seed. Commercial vegtable seed is regulated they list the date of test and percentage that germinate on the pack. Most growers guarantee satisfaction, so hopefully you get that.

The grower should have removed the cracked and immature seed... if the distrib had a ounce or pound of seed they should quality pack the tube with viable or extra as well.

Seeing how much seed is yeah id send a email and those pics too

On a S1 10 pack only getting 2-3 healthy seeds seems like the norm lately... germ standards null
Best luck hope they send a good pack

 

[befa]

Ortega - Real Gorilla Seeds

Ortega was originally made a little different from Nevil when he was doing his Seedbank thing with Sensi...Shantibaba made a selection from an old school set of seeds that originated from NL#1 and NL#5...from mid 80s. It is expected to keep a good Christmas tree structure in growth and flowers...

www.realgorillaseeds.com

This ortega is different
View attachment 18911439
the clone is different ...
View attachment 18911443
These are for the terps seems there is always a trade off between high thc and terpene levels. What I mean is if there is a max of 30% thc in your dried flower...go from there and work backwards.... what is the least thc your wiling to accept in your dried flower? 5-10% or maybe 15 - 20%thc? @Hammerhead how much of the effect is attributed to the terpenes?

Then there is the is this a plant bred for flower consumption or is it a resin production hash plant? What is the finished resin thc% what glands are produced on the flower and what type of gland is produced on the leaf are the sugar leaf glands the same as the ones on the caylx is the chemisty of the synthesized cannabinoids the same.

Am I even caring about caylx to leaf ratio?
In an hashplant ? Will I smoke a hashplant as flower?

Some of the best plants are side lined simply due to us not knowing how to put them to use as intended, then theres the rare few lines that are dual purpose they have been taken from the hashplant line and refined to a dual purpose line.

In the less removed generations from open pollenation the wild smells still exist... do clones and f-teenish gens drift from orig phenos?

Is a cutting from afghanistan still the same plant 30 years later, would the terpene reports differ? the oldest clones are seldom 20 years old, sams oldest is like 20, the rom is old, karels sssc has a old one, some og 's maybe,

These are the questions that some of us lose sleep over ?

Im glad you guys are here pheno hunting the landrace afghanica the terpene % is strong in these. Good for amped up hybrids with the classics! The bx could be and I have seen some that surpasss the clone only and s1

Maybe some would share this experience?

Maybe not for the purist, but definately for the cannasseur !!!

>>>Best >>>

Well seen, how to recognize a hash plant? I'm posting a photo that I've already published on page 32
Small ,leafy ,stocky, stems and leaves and resinous flowers a minimum, with acid terpenes ,for a minimum profitable extraction

 

[Cantharellus]

FDM (Baudelaire) has been around a long time and knows better. He just doesn't give a shit whether your seeds grow or not and if they don't germ will always have an excuse readily available to explain how you fucked it up. He has been sending out shitty seeds for 15yrs so I knew the risk going in. Was hoping he had changed his ways but apparently not. I would not waste my time asking for a replacement. It is what it is.

 

[Hammerhead]

Sorry about that, Hammer. I miss read a few posts. I thought the convo was about threads/info getting deleted over at MNS forum.

It's all good, I was only referring to ICMAG. Ive never been a member of Mr.Nice so no clue what goes on there.

Ortega - Real Gorilla Seeds

Ortega was originally made a little different from Nevil when he was doing his Seedbank thing with Sensi...Shantibaba made a selection from an old school set of seeds that originated from NL#1 and NL#5...from mid 80s. It is expected to keep a good Christmas tree structure in growth and flowers...

www.realgorillaseeds.com

This ortega is different
View attachment 18911439
the clone is different ...
View attachment 18911443
These are for the terps seems there is always a trade off between high thc and terpene levels. What I mean is if there is a max of 30% thc in your dried flower...go from there and work backwards.... what is the least thc your wiling to accept in your dried flower? 5-10% or maybe 15 - 20%thc? @Hammerhead how much of the effect is attributed to the terpenes?

Then there is the is this a plant bred for flower consumption or is it a resin production hash plant? What is the finished resin thc% what glands are produced on the flower and what type of gland is produced on the leaf are the sugar leaf glands the same as the ones on the caylx is the chemisty of the synthesized cannabinoids the same.

Am I even caring about caylx to leaf ratio?
In an hashplant ? Will I smoke a hashplant as flower?

Some of the best plants are side lined simply due to us not knowing how to put them to use as intended, then theres the rare few lines that are dual purpose they have been taken from the hashplant line and refined to a dual purpose line.

In the less removed generations from open pollenation the wild smells still exist... do clones and f-teenish gens drift from orig phenos?

Is a cutting from afghanistan still the same plant 30 years later, would the terpene reports differ? the oldest clones are seldom 20 years old, sams oldest is like 20, the rom is old, karels sssc has a old one, some og 's maybe,

These are the questions that some of us lose sleep over ?

Im glad you guys are here pheno hunting the landrace afghanica the terpene % is strong in these. Good for amped up hybrids with the classics! The bx could be and I have seen some that surpasss the clone only and s1

Maybe some would share this experience?

Maybe not for the purist, but definitely for the cannasseur !!!

>>>Best >>>

It's all an individual experience with cannabis. Terpenes play a big role in how we perceive the high. If it tastes like dodo most people will not enjoy the high as much as something thats potent and tastes really good. Every good plant from the 70s to today has had both. THC is very important as it's the main psychoactive part of cannabis so the more the better. Our Olfactory glands stimulate our memory more than anything. Smell and emotion are tied together.

Ortega =Maple Leaf. Ive been reading alot about Maple Leaf. I'm curious if that region's seeds could be similar to ML. The A78 I'm using comes from the same region.

 

[acespicoli]

It's all good, I was only referring to ICMAG. Ive never been a member of Mr.Nice so no clue what goes on there.





It's all an individual experience with cannabis. Terpenes play a big role in how we perceive the high. If it tastes like dodo most people will not enjoy the high as much as something thats potent and tastes really good. Every good plant from the 70s to today has had both. THC is very important as it's the main psychoactive part of cannabis so the more the better. Our Olfactory glands stimulate our memory more than anything. Smell and emotion are tied together.

Ortega =Maple Leaf. Ive been reading alot about Maple Leaf. I'm curious if that region's seeds could be similar to ML. The A78 I'm using comes from the same region.

What years was DC and NL0 ? 78 79 ??

Well seen, how to recognize a hash plant? I'm posting a photo that I've already published on page 32
Small ,leafy ,stocky, stems and leaves and resinous flowers a minimum, with acid terpenes ,for a minimum profitable extraction

I want a huge amount of stalked glands, they need to be on the calyx, the tops of the leaf even coating the undersides of the leaf... You know whats amazing surface space ...layered folded packed in tight rows on top of finished rows...anyway

How are you gonna extract it dry sieve, water, solvent ? D. all of the above ?
You want everything but the green ?

CANNABINOID ANALYSYS​

TERPENE ANALYSIS​

This is the Ace Lebanese, 11% ?
Yeah yield if your only pulling 11% how much do you have to grow for it to be economically viable ?
So for every 100gm flower in pulling 12gm resin off it ... or 12 gm thc... ok a little heavier?
It would need to be in the 20% range afghans can do it they have some bulk
Lebs are airy then theres effect but for a sativa leb maybe haze res...
Old school afghan was mild hash you could smoke a 1/4 with a couple people in a short shesh


They finally got some numbers on this !
This is from one of the older vibes members

The best phenotype of one of the best hash plants of all time. The Afghan Lemon is a highly refined and stabilized phenotype of Balkh Hashplant. This legendary Afghan Landrace has been used for hundreds of years for making some exquisite hashish.

In 2019, While doing a preservation run with the Balkhi, the Khalifa team found an outstanding lemony phenotype. That stand-out plant was frostier than most and had an incredible flavor profile. Khalifa Genetics has then stabilized that unique phenotype for over 2 years to turn it into a true breeding strain.

Therefore, the Afghan lemon consistently produces flavorful lemon-scented plants. It will delight growers with robust, easy-to-grow plants with resinous buds. When touching the flowers, the resin on your fingers leaves a strong lemony/hashy smell that lingers for several minutes. The taste is also a delicious blend of Lemon and old school Hash.

Unlike most lemony hybrids, the Afghan Lemon’s smell is fresh and natural. It is very different from that candy/chemical lemon scent that many California strains have. Its super smooth smoke quickly brings about a strong body stone effect. Although it is potent and long-lasting, the effect isn’t overwhelming but rather pleasant and relaxing.

The Balkh province is home to some of the best sieved hashish in the world such as the famous “Milk of Mazar” and the “Old Golden One”. The Afghan Lemon is therefore the cream of the crop. It is one of the best expressions of one of the best hash plants in the world!

CANNABINOID ANALYSIS​

Some PCK ?



Chitral is widely known in the cannabis world as being producer of one of the best Pakistani hashes.
The Pakistan Chitral line we offer you here at ACE Seeds is an excellent pure Kush bred since the mid-90’s by Cannabiogen.

This indica is an explosion of colors, tastes and scents with two main phenotypes: one green and the other very colorful. Both phenotypes produce plants with high adaptability, short flowering time, generous resin production and pleasant hash plant effect.

Pakistan Chitral Kush is not only surprising due to its aroma, beauty and quality. It is also one of the few pure indicas that matures correctly even under rainy conditions, in contrast with most of the current Afghani strains that easily rot under these conditions.

Pakistan Chitral Kush Standard is a true 'jewel' for the pure indica lovers and cannabis breeding.

The pak valley line looks interesting too...

 

[acespicoli]

Traditional hash plant from the Rif area near to Ketama and Chefchaouen, famous for producing kif (the traditional blend of cannabis flowers with tobacco) and the famous Moroccan blond hash.

This pure Moroccan strain is one of the fastest psychoactive sativa landraces on the planet, due to its semi autoflowering traits and its very short flowering time. Traditionally, this strain is sown at the beginning of spring, starting to bloom in June, and being harvested as early as August, when it begins to be processed and beaten by hand to produce the traditional Moroccan hashish, which varies in quality depending on the size of the sieve and the amount of time the flowers are beaten.

Moroccan plants are small/medium sized. They start with fairly wide leaves, but when they reach their sexual maturity and flowering they develop as a pure sativa with foxtail floral structures, quickly accumulating to form good sized buds. There are 2 main phenotypes according to their structure. The most common phenotype grows very columnar and tall, with the second phenotype being smaller, shorter and more branched.

This variety is grown at a very high plant density in its native land, with very little fertilizer and water, which means it has developed excellent resistance against heat and drought, performing perfectly with little care and low levels of nutrients, which makes it an ideal strain for outdoor guerrilla growing in hot and dry climates.

Morocco is the largest hashish producer in the world, with its renowned hashish being the most exported, especially to Europe. Unfortunately, since the beginning of the 21st century, a massive introduction of foreign indoor genetics from Europe and North America has taken place in Morocco, in order to increase the hashish production and potency.

While this has been achieved on certain farms where these foreign genetics are cultivated with more care, the genetic contamination has also meant that Moroccan hashish has gradually lost its characteristic psychoactivity and distinctive 'golden' and mellow terpenes, which made Moroccan hashish a world reference in the cannabis scene of the 20th century.

Certain Moroccan growers have now realized that these new foreign genetics require much more care, water and fertilizers, are harvested much later than traditional Moroccan strains, and do not have the same resistance against heat and outdoor pests. The old Moroccan strains are still the most suitable for growing in large remote plots with poor irrigation resources that cannot be tended with as much care.

For this reason, a group of old school Moroccan growers have offered us ancient heirloom Moroccan seeds for their reproduction and preservation, before the unstoppable genetic contamination completely wipes out the old Moroccan strains in their original state.

As a result of this preservation work, ACE Seeds offers you this mythical hash plant in its purest original form.

CANNABINOID ANALYSIS​

TERPENE ANALYSIS​

Sheberghan Regular - aceseeds

PURE SHEBERGHAN AFGHANI HASHPLANT CULTIVAR FROM THE ANCIENT SILK ROAD

www.aceseeds.org

waiting on a test for this looks nice too anyway...
just for comparisons, and theres some tools out there for home testing
seen any strains with terpenes between 3-15% those are the ones
Take a plant with 30% thc and you could have that any way you want it
terps or thc
when the potential is there you can sway it either way
cbd thc whatever....you like

You take these traditional lines and its dry sift, cold, low humidity let it rock and roll











Classic Afghani line developed in northern Europe, where it was selected for its quality, fast flowering and excellent adaptability against the adverse conditions of northern climates.

It is a very ornamental hash plant, that can get multitude of colors in the leaves, stems and flowers in late flowering. It ripens very quickly, producing hard and resinous buds with coffee, earthy, piney and hashy aromas. The effect is relaxing Afghan type, of moderate strength and high therapeutical value.

As is often the case with traditional hashplants, ErdPurt produces interesting chemotypes with THC and CBD in different proportions at the population level, where balanced THC/CBD chemotypes are the most common, although occasionally THC-rich (no CBD) or CBD-rich (no THC) individuals are also found.

ErdPurt is an excellent Afghani for outdoor growing in altitude or northern latitudes, where the cold, wind and rain doesn't allow most of the Afghani indoor strains to ripe properly.


CLICK ON THE STAMP TO GET THE COMPLETE GENOTYPE REPORT AT PHYLOS

CANNABINOID ANALYSIS​

TERPENE ANALYSIS​

Id like to see the RSC test reports...
some seeds, ... they are different they are missing the wild complex mixing
Seed morphology will show you alot about a strain before you ever plant them
We should all be posting seed morphs, pressed leaves, phenotype measurements (node distances, etc...)
would be very helpful
Im trying to find @dubi heirloom gifted hashplant s1 if I find a test I will share it here
>>>Best >>>ibes

photo by goodoledog

 

[befa]

FDM (Baudelaire) has been around a long time and knows better. He just doesn't give a shit whether your seeds grow or not and if they don't germ will always have an excuse readily available to explain how you fucked it up. He has been sending out shitty seeds for 15yrs so I knew the risk going in. Was hoping he had changed his ways but apparently not. I would not waste my time asking for a replacement. It is what it is.

oK! It's sad, personally I went through pips seed they are more accommodating.

 

[rindindoo]

Hello ICmagers and Afghan weed lovers!
I also want to show you the cross of two Afghan lines - Kandahar black (Bodhi) x Kandahar (Seeds Peace), this beautiful plant grows at 50 N latitude, in a very humid climate, there is a lot of forest and swamps around, the area is cut down in the swamp thickets of vines , the plant practically does not see direct sunlight; in addition, the plant has to withstand morning and evening fogs, prolonged rains and even short-term frosts down to -5 Celsius; several times it was necessary to cut out areas affected by gray mold.

28 October length of daylight hours 09:54


The photo was taken after a strong night storm, so it fell slightly on its side.

Spoiler

Interesting crimson pigmentation at the top of each bud


Growing these two lines separately (Kandahar black (Bodhi) & Kandahar (SP)) I discovered a difference in the resin: in Kandahar (SP) the resin remains on the fingers with a sticky-oily consistency, while in Bodhi it falls off into hard grains. I don’t presume to say anything, but I have come across information that supposedly Afghan hashish producers complain about the quality of the resin of modern hybrids, although there is a lot of it, it is soft and so difficult to sift through. I don’t know how true this is, I just sold it for what I bought it for.

 

[Dr. Mantis Toboggan]

Hello ICmagers and Afghan weed lovers!
I also want to show you the cross of two Afghan lines - Kandahar black (Bodhi) x Kandahar (Seeds Peace), this beautiful plant grows at 50 N latitude, in a very humid climate, there is a lot of forest and swamps around, the area is cut down in the swamp thickets of vines , the plant practically does not see direct sunlight; in addition, the plant has to withstand morning and evening fogs, prolonged rains and even short-term frosts down to -5 Celsius; several times it was necessary to cut out areas affected by gray mold.

28 October length of daylight hours 09:54


The photo was taken after a strong night storm, so it fell slightly on its side.

Spoiler

Interesting crimson pigmentation at the top of each bud


Growing these two lines separately (Kandahar black (Bodhi) & Kandahar (SP)) I discovered a difference in the resin: in Kandahar (SP) the resin remains on the fingers with a sticky-oily consistency, while in Bodhi it falls off into hard grains. I don’t presume to say anything, but I have come across information that supposedly Afghan hashish producers complain about the quality of the resin of modern hybrids, although there is a lot of it, it is soft and so difficult to sift through. I don’t know how true this is, I just sold it for what I bought it for.

That's so beautiful: The colors are gorgeous.

Regarding Bodhi's Kandahar's trichomes falling off so readily, could that have been selected for? Wouldn't that be a beneficial trait for dry sift hash?

 

[rindindoo]

I think that it will not be difficult to find the same plants, the offspring are very homogeneous. I also think these trichomes are good for dry sifting. Curious to hear from those who have grown other Afghani plants, is this a common trait among hashplants or is it preferred but not required?

 

[Nannymouse]

With the wind that we have here, for anyone growing outdoors, i would think that a person would lose many trichs on a 'brittle' trichome plant. But, i love dry sift. It would be 'indoor', unless someone could find a spot that is totally protected from the winds.

I would so like to try that Lemon Balkh.

 

[rindindoo]

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[Midbio]

My personal favorite Afghan goes by the name "Squanto" here locally. Its a super inbred seed line a guy I used to work for used to pump it out commercially. He's a super old school grower here in the region and according to him his network of friends brought it over in the late 70's. It was crazy popular through the 80's and 90's and even into the early 2000's It was sent around simply under the name "Afghan" but him and his crew called it "Squanto" for some reason. Ive smoked tons of it over the years and it truly is killer, knockout potency with no ceiling but it has this really hard to describe old school upbeat character to the effect. There's no fuzziness to the high so it lets you get higher and higher and still maintain some level of functionality. I grew out a few this summer as I usually do for headstash. Its inbred so its literally always the same. Scent off the vine is strong citrus skunk. When its dried and cured the skunkiness disappears but this really unique cinnamon mixed with sour citrus come on. A really strong male popped up this year so I hit him to a few of my outdoor lines and made some hybrids. I also have a lot of pure "Squanto" too of course.
Sorry for the poor picture quality and, my Squanto stash this year was grown out in my guerrilla spot as there was no more room over here.

 

[troutman]

Debating now what to grow next.

Either a Bubblegum hybrid or my personal Afghani hybrid.

 

[acespicoli]

Debating now what to grow next.

Either a Bubblegum hybrid or my personal Afghani hybrid.

ROFLMFAO have to see @troutman