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CBG Pamana, ACE malawi or Zamaldelica, Topical Old Congo.
motherfucking score. cant believe I overlooked ace seeds
CBG Pamana, ACE malawi or Zamaldelica, Topical Old Congo.
bigherb said:Santa cruz original Haze is a pure colombian punto rojo
Sam_Skunkman said:I read this and have to say it is mostly correct
It had several Colombian lines like Santa Marta Gold, Wacky weed.
Robert Clarke (Sam's friend) added...Knowsitall4sure=Sam said:I gave them Acapulco Gold,Thai, South Indian seeds, saw the plants, saw their offspring from a Acapulco GoldXColumbian cross, and saw them grown the next year, and many after.
Where do the Wacky Weed, Colombian Gold and Acapulco Gold come into the picture, in light of bigherb's contention that Punto Rojo was the sole ingredient in haze until 1976?RobertClarke said:Starting with Colombian/Mexican hybrids grown from seeds from the first crop, a South Indian male plant was used as a pollen source the second year, and a Thai male plant was used the third year. Depending on which year Haze seeds were collected, they resembled either Colombian, South Indian of Thai plants.
bigherb said:Please understand there are no other varieties in the santa cruz haze .The other varities mentioned were what ever Sams added after 76.
Haze Hybrids that mostly used my Original Haze as a parent, directly or through a Haze Hybrid based on my Haze genetics available from 1976 from me.
FrancoGH said:The Oaxaca Sativa was at the base of the creation of pure Haze, the most famous sativa hybrid ever
been awhile since I visited this thread .......think I did relay info on dubi's Purple Haze f3....but if not finished in Dec. outdoors here in central Cali.......nice maroon/violet in color .....good, but unfortunately not what I was hoping to rekindle from years ago....
all the best to those in the quest.............
ganj on.....
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bigherb's research reveals that the first generation of haze was Colombian Punto Rojo...
Sam has confirmed this...
But Sam has also mentioned...
And detailed his own contribution...
Robert Clarke (Sam's friend) added...
Where do the Wacky Weed, Colombian Gold and Acapulco Gold come into the picture, in light of bigherb's contention that Punto Rojo was the sole ingredient in haze until 1976?
Were the Wacky Weed and Punto Rojo one in the the same? Was the Colombian Gold the first out cross followed by Acapulco Gold in 1976?
Is the mythical formula - Punto Rojo / Colombian Gold / Acapulco Gold / Keralan & Thai Stick?
Be great if Sam could polish off the final details, otherwise Arjan might end up having the final word..
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Best homegrown was Original Haze from the 1970's Santa Cruz California.
Best import was unpressed, not on the stick, golden THAI, back in 1976 Santa Cruz California.
Both were pure Sativa's. The Haze was stronger.
-SamS
I gave seeds to both the Original Haze growers in 1972 and also later, One used Thai and S Indian with his Haze in the very early 70's. The other grew the Thai but decided it was not as good as Haze and did not use it. The very first Original Haze was a crop of both green, lime green, purple, and other colors, all from Columbian, after that I am not sure and anyone that says they are, is just fooling themselves. One of the Haze growers RL told me a different story then the Original Haze guy that did it first up in the SC mountains and then in the next few years moved down to right by my house, less then a block away, the other Haze grower RL, who put out the OH poster lived a block the other side of my house. I had a friend "J" that used to help the SC mountain Haze grower, he was also a good friend of RCC, he told me all about the early Original Haze I never saw, as I got back to SC in early 1972. They both told me different stories, I did not care so much it was the Cannabis I was interested in.
Sacred Seeds never tried to stablize or improve the Original Haze, our only goal was to save as many of the Original Haze genes as I could so I used as many Original Haze females and males as I could. I think I could create an all Original Haze improved line but I would need to grow thousands and thousands of plants to find a few keeper females, the males would require to be transformed into females to be screened as keepers, and/or by progeney trials that would be best. I would have done it already except that Original Haze is a lousey Dry Sift Hash maker and I hate to use so much space to do the work right. If I don't someone will....
I really do not like Original Haze hybrids that use an WLD Indica to make powerful Hazes, they are strong but often lack the pure Sativa high the I prefer. It is easy though.
If done right with just haze taste and effects, and I can't tell it is a hybrid and it is strong as the Haze was, I would like it I bet. Even the Purple Haze from back in the 70's was not really my choice, they did seem a bit stronger then the greens, limes, and blues, but they also had a more narcotic effect to me. They were the prettiest not the best, to me.
-SamS
I gave seeds to both the Original Haze growers in 1972 and also later, One used Thai and S Indian with his Haze in the very early 70's.
All of the S Indian and Thai crosses were toward the end of Haze production. Not only males were used for crosses. The 3 year timeline was just someones dream , Haze was grown for over 10years by the haze bros , Sacred seeds tried to stabilize Haze with mixed results.The quality dropped considerably.The problem is that the best Hazes were F1s Hybrids , and Haze stabilization can not be done without a loss of vigor.
Also I never chose males for hybrids, you do not know how good they are or their ability to contribute to a new hybrid. I use haze females , and I do have a few Haze males that I selected from hundreds of males , after testing their progeny first. But it is a lot of work and beyond most closet breeders. The progenys growouts involved thousands of plants. Just to determine the best haze male to use for Hybrids"
The very first Original Haze was a crop of both green, lime green, purple, and other colors, all from Columbian, after that I am not sure and anyone that says they are, is just fooling themselves
One of the Haze growers RL told me a different story then the Original Haze guy that did it first up in the SC mountains
Sacred Seeds never tried to stablize or improve the Original Haze, our only goal was to save as many of the Original Haze genes as I could so I used as many Original Haze females and males as I could. I think I could create an all Original Haze improved line but I would need to grow thousands and thousands of plants to find a few keeper females
motherfucking score. cant believe I overlooked ace seeds
...i would have done it already except that Original Haze is a lousey Dry Sift Hash maker and I hate to use so much space to do the work right....
-SamS
Skunk #1 is easy to dry sift, so is my Hindu Kush but I do not like the stone so much. Many people love it. Sleestak is easy to dry sift, not my work it is from the DNA boys.
Pot Of Gold, my Hindu Kush X Skunk #1 is easy to dry sift.
Maybe I need to try water sifting the Haze and Haze hybrids, because dry sifting them sucks, the yield is way to low..
Does anyone get as high a yield of water sifted resin from Haze dominate plants as Indica WLD varieties or the Indica WLD X Sativa NLD hybrids?
-SamS
Skunk #1 is easy to dry sift, so is my Hindu Kush but I do not like the stone so much...
-SamS
Hey sam have sleestack x skunk#1, it s skunkman range batch?
Sam is the Mexican used in DNA's Mexican x Sleestack also from you?
That is one of my favorites.
It could be my work, bet it is. From DNA?
-SamS