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question for sam the skunkman on the original haze

bushweed

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bigherb's research reveals that the first generation of haze was Colombian Punto Rojo...
bigherb said:
Santa cruz original Haze is a pure colombian punto rojo

Sam has confirmed this...
Sam_Skunkman said:
I read this and have to say it is mostly correct

But Sam has also mentioned...
It had several Colombian lines like Santa Marta Gold, Wacky weed.


And detailed his own contribution...
Knowsitall4sure=Sam said:
I gave them Acapulco Gold,Thai, South Indian seeds, saw the plants, saw their offspring from a Acapulco GoldXColumbian cross, and saw them grown the next year, and many after.
Robert Clarke (Sam's friend) added...
RobertClarke said:
Starting with Colombian/Mexican hybrids grown from seeds from the first crop, a South Indian male plant was used as a pollen source the second year, and a Thai male plant was used the third year. Depending on which year Haze seeds were collected, they resembled either Colombian, South Indian of Thai plants.
Where do the Wacky Weed, Colombian Gold and Acapulco Gold come into the picture, in light of bigherb's contention that Punto Rojo was the sole ingredient in haze until 1976?
bigherb said:
Please understand there are no other varieties in the santa cruz haze .The other varities mentioned were what ever Sams added after 76.

Were the Wacky Weed and Punto Rojo one in the the same? Was the Colombian Gold the first out cross followed by Acapulco Gold in 1976?
Haze Hybrids that mostly used my Original Haze as a parent, directly or through a Haze Hybrid based on my Haze genetics available from 1976 from me.

Is the mythical formula - Punto Rojo / Colombian Gold / Acapulco Gold / Keralan & Thai Stick?


Be great if Sam could polish off the final details, otherwise Arjan might end up having the final word..
FrancoGH said:
The Oaxaca Sativa was at the base of the creation of pure Haze, the most famous sativa hybrid ever
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@Bushweed: you are an animal! Some sort of aussie marsupial weed beast. Pouch stuffed with dank no doubt.

@ Sam: Restocking any Cultivator's Choice gear anytime soon?
 

Mtn. Nectar

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been awhile since I visited this thread .......think I did relay info on dubi's Purple Haze f3....but if not finished in Dec. outdoors here in central Cali.......nice maroon/violet in color .....good, but unfortunately not what I was hoping to rekindle from years ago....

all the best to those in the quest.............

ganj on.....
 

bigherb

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I'd like to say thanks to the Haze heads for keeping this thread alive and lets take em to Church


been awhile since I visited this thread .......think I did relay info on dubi's Purple Haze f3....but if not finished in Dec. outdoors here in central Cali.......nice maroon/violet in color .....good, but unfortunately not what I was hoping to rekindle from years ago....

all the best to those in the quest.............

ganj on.....

Great to see you posting brother ,Hope all is well

I always get excited to see apost from you caz your descriptive, vivid recollections an immense experience are a rarity nowadays

I dont recall any other post from you on your Ace P.Haze experience ,Curious how many plant did you run ? Also have you seen the malawi hybrid sounds like haze got a steroid shot

Did you have some lumbo n Thai goin last summer any luck with those ? What's on the List this year ?

Im curious too see what you would think of CBG punto Rojo ,From pics ive seen that Line is treasure from past times

Much Respect

Seedsman´s haze (left) and Tom Hill´s (right)

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Always keepin it hazy lov that

Nice side by side ,Did you start the plants at the same time ?
Curious as THH seems much futher along

Best wishes an keep us posted

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bigherb's research reveals that the first generation of haze was Colombian Punto Rojo...


Sam has confirmed this...


But Sam has also mentioned...



And detailed his own contribution...

Robert Clarke (Sam's friend) added...

Where do the Wacky Weed, Colombian Gold and Acapulco Gold come into the picture, in light of bigherb's contention that Punto Rojo was the sole ingredient in haze until 1976?


Were the Wacky Weed and Punto Rojo one in the the same? Was the Colombian Gold the first out cross followed by Acapulco Gold in 1976?


Is the mythical formula - Punto Rojo / Colombian Gold / Acapulco Gold / Keralan & Thai Stick?


Be great if Sam could polish off the final details, otherwise Arjan might end up having the final word..

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Bushy my brother

You have been killin it lately ,Major props. It feels like old times lookin at your pics


I like when you brain storm once in awhile

Id just like to add two quotes to your collective of quotes to ponder on


Best homegrown was Original Haze from the 1970's Santa Cruz California.
Best import was unpressed, not on the stick, golden THAI, back in 1976 Santa Cruz California.
Both were pure Sativa's. The Haze was stronger.
-SamS

[QUOTE]"All of the S Indian and Thai crosses were toward the end of Haze production. Not only males were used for crosses. The 3 year timeline was just someones dream , Haze was grown for over 10years by the haze bros [/B], Sacred seeds tried to stabilize Haze with mixed results.The quality dropped considerably.The problem is that the best Hazes were F1s Hybrids , and Haze stabilization can not be done without a loss of vigor.
Also I never chose males for hybrids, you do not know how good they are or their ability to contribute to a new hybrid. I use haze females , and I do have a few Haze males that I selected from hundreds of males , after testing their progeny first. But it is a lot of work and beyond most closet breeders. The progenys growouts involved thousands of plants. Just to determine the best haze male to use for Hybrids"[/QUOTE]



1luvbigherb
 

Sam_Skunkman

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I gave seeds to both the Original Haze growers in 1972 and also later, One used Thai and S Indian with his Haze in the very early 70's. The other grew the Thai but decided it was not as good as Haze and did not use it. The very first Original Haze was a crop of both green, lime green, purple, and other colors, all from Columbian, after that I am not sure and anyone that says they are, is just fooling themselves. One of the Haze growers RL told me a different story then the Original Haze guy that did it first up in the SC mountains and then in the next few years moved down to right by my house, less then a block away, the other Haze grower RL, who put out the OH poster lived a block the other side of my house. I had a friend "J" that used to help the SC mountain Haze grower, he was also a good friend of RCC, he told me all about the early Original Haze I never saw, as I got back to SC in early 1972. They both told me different stories, I did not care so much it was the Cannabis I was interested in.
Sacred Seeds never tried to stablize or improve the Original Haze, our only goal was to save as many of the Original Haze genes as I could so I used as many Original Haze females and males as I could. I think I could create an all Original Haze improved line but I would need to grow thousands and thousands of plants to find a few keeper females, the males would require to be transformed into females to be screened as keepers, and/or by progeney trials that would be best. I would have done it already except that Original Haze is a lousey Dry Sift Hash maker and I hate to use so much space to do the work right. If I don't someone will....
I really do not like Original Haze hybrids that use an WLD Indica to make powerful Hazes, they are strong but often lack the pure Sativa high the I prefer. It is easy though.
If done right with just haze taste and effects, and I can't tell it is a hybrid and it is strong as the Haze was, I would like it I bet. Even the Purple Haze from back in the 70's was not really my choice, they did seem a bit stronger then the greens, limes, and blues, but they also had a more narcotic effect to me. They were the prettiest not the best, to me.
-SamS
 

bigherb

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I gave seeds to both the Original Haze growers in 1972 and also later, One used Thai and S Indian with his Haze in the very early 70's. The other grew the Thai but decided it was not as good as Haze and did not use it. The very first Original Haze was a crop of both green, lime green, purple, and other colors, all from Columbian, after that I am not sure and anyone that says they are, is just fooling themselves. One of the Haze growers RL told me a different story then the Original Haze guy that did it first up in the SC mountains and then in the next few years moved down to right by my house, less then a block away, the other Haze grower RL, who put out the OH poster lived a block the other side of my house. I had a friend "J" that used to help the SC mountain Haze grower, he was also a good friend of RCC, he told me all about the early Original Haze I never saw, as I got back to SC in early 1972. They both told me different stories, I did not care so much it was the Cannabis I was interested in.
Sacred Seeds never tried to stablize or improve the Original Haze, our only goal was to save as many of the Original Haze genes as I could so I used as many Original Haze females and males as I could. I think I could create an all Original Haze improved line but I would need to grow thousands and thousands of plants to find a few keeper females, the males would require to be transformed into females to be screened as keepers, and/or by progeney trials that would be best. I would have done it already except that Original Haze is a lousey Dry Sift Hash maker and I hate to use so much space to do the work right. If I don't someone will....
I really do not like Original Haze hybrids that use an WLD Indica to make powerful Hazes, they are strong but often lack the pure Sativa high the I prefer. It is easy though.
If done right with just haze taste and effects, and I can't tell it is a hybrid and it is strong as the Haze was, I would like it I bet. Even the Purple Haze from back in the 70's was not really my choice, they did seem a bit stronger then the greens, limes, and blues, but they also had a more narcotic effect to me. They were the prettiest not the best, to me.
-SamS

Happy holihaze

Thanks for sharing , always great to see you shed light

Great to hear G's origins confirmed once again

Now if you could just speak on the incense/frankincense trait in OHaze :biggrin:

Much respect

1luvbigherb
 

bigherb

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I thought i was content an then more questions arose

Much respect

I dont wish to upset you and i dont want you to repeat yourself .But there are once again conflicting/contradicting post from you . These are interesting details that could be considered nit picking as you said about my article .Some minor details could be history changing .

But i learned a long time ago asking questions can only help


I gave seeds to both the Original Haze growers in 1972 and also later, One used Thai and S Indian with his Haze in the very early 70's.

In an old CW post below you said the Thai an S.Indian were used toward the end .

Apolgies if this isnt your post ,as i cant find the original only it has been quoted an referred to as yours .Aswell it sounds an looks like your writing


All of the S Indian and Thai crosses were toward the end of Haze production. Not only males were used for crosses. The 3 year timeline was just someones dream , Haze was grown for over 10years by the haze bros , Sacred seeds tried to stabilize Haze with mixed results.The quality dropped considerably.The problem is that the best Hazes were F1s Hybrids , and Haze stabilization can not be done without a loss of vigor.
Also I never chose males for hybrids, you do not know how good they are or their ability to contribute to a new hybrid. I use haze females , and I do have a few Haze males that I selected from hundreds of males , after testing their progeny first. But it is a lot of work and beyond most closet breeders. The progenys growouts involved thousands of plants. Just to determine the best haze male to use for Hybrids"

The very first Original Haze was a crop of both green, lime green, purple, and other colors, all from Columbian, after that I am not sure and anyone that says they are, is just fooling themselves

Well how about G wouldn't he know best an this is what he said was grown out threwout His run 69-81


One of the Haze growers RL told me a different story then the Original Haze guy that did it first up in the SC mountains

R.L wasnt with G for atleast the first two grows so what would he know about somthing he wasnt there for .Im curious what J might recall of the mountain grows .Im sure its his story to tell an if you wanted to share you would have already .But that be another chapter to the history



Sacred Seeds never tried to stablize or improve the Original Haze, our only goal was to save as many of the Original Haze genes as I could so I used as many Original Haze females and males as I could. I think I could create an all Original Haze improved line but I would need to grow thousands and thousands of plants to find a few keeper females

I know you can,But do you wish to ?


Your post has really cleared up the genetic confusion to me an lays to rest how those S.indian n Thai genes were added .Thanks again for your preservation an contributions an continuing to share information


1luvbigherb
 

LowFalutin

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motherfucking score. cant believe I overlooked ace seeds

Here's an (OldTimer's) haze-leaning pheno of Ace's Green Haze x Thai F3,
@ 34 days of 11d/13n...





...and her clone...



If she's the keeper I expect, then I'll backcross to her with her male offspring's pollen.

Thanks for all the infos provided here.

cheers haze enthusiasts :tiphat:
 

Sam_Skunkman

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Skunk #1 is easy to dry sift, so is my Hindu Kush but I do not like the stone so much. Many people love it. Sleestak is easy to dry sift, not my work it is from the DNA boys.
Pot Of Gold, my Hindu Kush X Skunk #1 is easy to dry sift.
Maybe I need to try water sifting the Haze and Haze hybrids, because dry sifting them sucks, the yield is way to low..
Does anyone get as high a yield of water sifted resin from Haze dominate plants as Indica WLD varieties or the Indica WLD X Sativa NLD hybrids?
-SamS
 

lovekush®

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Skunk #1 is easy to dry sift, so is my Hindu Kush but I do not like the stone so much. Many people love it. Sleestak is easy to dry sift, not my work it is from the DNA boys.
Pot Of Gold, my Hindu Kush X Skunk #1 is easy to dry sift.
Maybe I need to try water sifting the Haze and Haze hybrids, because dry sifting them sucks, the yield is way to low..
Does anyone get as high a yield of water sifted resin from Haze dominate plants as Indica WLD varieties or the Indica WLD X Sativa NLD hybrids?
-SamS

Hey sam have sleestack x skunk#1, it s skunkman range batch?
 
Skunk #1 is easy to dry sift, so is my Hindu Kush but I do not like the stone so much...
-SamS

You said prior that Haze gave a poor amount of resin. I believe that is what you inferred, but how was the quality of of the Haze dry sift? The taste, smell, flavors, and most importantly the high of the Haze dry sift?

I am going to assume if the Haze's flowers were good, the dry sift would be just as good. But, if my assumption is wrong. Please correct me
 

lovekush®

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It could be my work, bet it is. From DNA?
-SamS

No Sam from seedsman ... By DNA is Sleeskunk (same recipe).
Seedsman also have the Resinator strain, with the same recipe. I think it's a hash selection on hash strain...
remember this project with DNA or Seedsman?
Thank you for your time. LK
 
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