The Search for Trip Weed

[ThaiBliss]

Pollen is starting to drop from my northern line. I've had to separate them downwind from the GNTS (NH21 x MM) plants. Well at least they need to be away from the faster flowering individuals.

Meanwhile, those two really slow flowering plants, a male and a female, are in a growth spurt. When the roots fill out the planter just right, it's very easy to drive growth. The watering and drying out cycles become frequent. Add a tiny amount of fertilizer into the water, and the plants go zoom! I put in about a tenth of the recommended amount, but add it to every watering. Sometimes I get inches of growth in a day. Truely amazing.

All the Best

 

[FeelHaze]

I @ThaiBliss and folks !

I'm also on a journey to find some trippy weed strains. I'm currently finishing Ace's Golden Tiger and just chopped Panama Haze. I'll update you after early smoke tests.

Golden Tiger bud

Panama Haze on harvest day

 

[ThaiBliss]

I'm also on a journey to find some trippy weed strains.

Welcome to the club FeelHaze!

You are playing in the right ballfield with that Golden Tiger. I found a Thai leaning one I liked. I lost it due to my lack of experience with it's semi-auto tendency. I couldn't get it to reveg. I think it needed the full summer sun to break it out of flowering. Thai weed is always so darn tricky. I can't wait for your smoke reports.

 

[FeelHaze]

Welcome to the club FeelHaze!

You are playing in the right ballfield with that Golden Tiger. I found a Thai leaning one I liked. I lost it due to my lack of experience with it's semi-auto tendency. I couldn't get it to reveg. I think it needed the full summer sun to break it out of flowering. Thai weed is always so darn tricky. I can't wait for your smoke reports.

Thanks again for all the interesting content you shared on this thread through the years !

I'll keep you updated after early testing.

I'm also gonna have some Panama x Bangi on my next grow. A couple ICMAG growers I trust recommended it to me. I also read in here that you've been breeding with Bangi so I guess you like it too.

 

[ThaiBliss]

I also read in here that you've been breeding with Bangi so I guess you like it too.

Oh yes, one can find some really nice selections in those. I've never seen such clear cerebral chemotypes in such early flowering plants.

 

[HorseHash]

I am from similar stomping grounds as Kangativa and Shantibaba, except I'm north in the tropics and I'm not nearly as old as some of you guys.

"Trip weed" was (and probably still is) relatively common around here; I'm guessing in part due to the abundance of hippy culture and off-gridders. My Dad told me when he was young there was a hippy commune with some of the strongest creeper/trippy weed around - and he was around when legit Thai sticks were coming in through Darwin which he also spoke highly of, but the "hippy stuff" was better he reckoned.

Around the time medical started becoming available and PGR became rampant, the trip weed, and all good homegrown for that matter mostly disappeared.
The best example I ever had were very fluffy/loose popcorn style buds with a VERY strong mango aroma; I have heard stories about a pheno of MM with a unique mango aroma that is supposed to be the most trippy - possibly related? Or maybe there is an association with mango scent? Maybe this scent comes from a terpene that has synergy with trippy effects?

Another thing I might add, I'm not sure "paranoid" effects are something you want to write off completely when it comes to breeding for trippiness. It might not be good on its own but I think those traits are important.
In my experience subtle elements of paranoia can really add a "mystical vibe", especially when you have higher tolerance.

I feel, at least for me, there is a link between the paranoia and the subtle yet convincing auditory and visual hallucinations they provoke. I think it's a bit like mushrooms where the manifestation of paranoia can come down to setting and environment. I would also hypothesise that correct breeding you can tame the paranoia and anxiety into what I call "wondrous uncertainty" even without careful attention to your setting when consuming.

I feel this way because I once tried weed that made me "paranoid" but in an almost pleasant way that sent me down a conspiracy rabbit hole on YouTube for 3 hours questioning everything I ever knew, and almost all the "trippy" strains I have had over the years were similar - a little paranoid but once you settle down it shifts to a more mysterious feeling which is odd but isn't unpleasant. You usually pass out into a deep, deep sleep and the next day you wake up sober again and it's almost like the day before was a vivid dream.

 

[HorseHash]

Another thing that popped into my mind!

The Malawi gold and some of the Thai stuff back in the day was "fermented", a different method of cure.
The tropical weather makes things hard to dry but it also gets hot; much like Thailand and Malawi, heat is key in safe fermentation. The risks lie in bacterial and mould, some of the moulds can induce their own trippy effects but that isn't what you want.

I know a lot of the trippier stuff typically felt wetter and buds tended not to look frosty but instead be more resinous, almost hash like which fits the description. In all honesty if you looked at them without smoking them you might say they were rubbish or assume harsh grass tasting smoke but you'd be wrong. People here in the tropics seem to be creative with drying outdoors so this may be possible.

Modern safer method might be worth looking at:
"Tangwena's Malawi-Style Cob Cure: Fermented Cannabis"

 

[PlastikeRubba]

The main eucalyptus, menthol and minty notes probably come from oxane compounds like 1,8-cineol a.k.a. eucalyptol, 1,4-cineol, and isopulegol.

They found indole and skatole from "chemmy" weed: Minor, Nonterpenoid Volatile Compounds Drive the Aroma Differences of Exotic Cannabis

... And as we now know that the plants are also capable of dimethylation of amines, I think DMT is a real possibility too. Remember the DMT-smelling Sour Bubble genotypes?

Why wouldn't menthol be 2 isopropyl 5 methyl cyclohexanol? Especially talking about weed, it's natural to assume hydrocarbons associated with cannabinoid production (hexanal > THC/CBD, butanoate > THCV/CBDV, etc). Eucalyptus and menthol smell nothing alike. I've never smelled menthol in weed. I smell mint all the time. Not menthol. Never menthol. My neighbors bring me menthol from their garden every year. It always smells like menthol, never "mint-y".

Indole is "chemmy"? I thought it was "gassy"? What a load of shit. Abstrax is a clown op. They test dispensary weed for terps? Then ignore all the toxins? Lol no wonder they are confused. They are toxic industry shills. Soon they will claim Chem D is made out of lemon peels, melted plastic fumes and fart spray. Ooops too late.


Sour Bubble tastes like DMT? What does DMT taste like? I'm guessing like plastic? Like meth? Like ketamine? Like PCP? Like a pair of new shoes? Like Permanent markers? Like any other synthetic man made toxic chemical? From overloading DMAPP with excess P and creating vinyl groups. I guarantee Sour Bubble smells sour when grown by a qualified Cannabis grower, not like toxic man-made plastic chemicals.


Do potheads in America just make everything up? To fit their bastardized scenario? I despise wintergreen, but love American wintergreen. Yet no one in the American weed scene can tell me which strains I like. They'll lie to me about terps though. Always. Never they truth from Americans. That's where every conversation with an American pothead comes to a screeching halt as their brain tries to process the fact that "minty" doesn't mean shit to anyone in the flavor industry (Well most the time it means your weed sucks and all your strains smell like toothpaste from the clownsauce fertilizer you use.)


The more that American pothead pretend to be human, the more uncanny valley. It's obvious what they all smoke is making them stupider. Every flavor descriptor from Americans ends with a very confident "y". That's like claiming to be jew-ish. Of course I believe you, you sound so confident, in your stereotypical costume. Funk-ish, mint-ish, skunk-ish, fruit-ish, gas-ish.. Your confidence tells me everything about your beliefs, American.

 

[PlastikeRubba]

Another thing that popped into my mind!

The Malawi gold and some of the Thai stuff back in the day was "fermented", a different method of cure.
The tropical weather makes things hard to dry but it also gets hot; much like Thailand and Malawi, heat is key in safe fermentation. The risks lie in bacterial and mould, some of the moulds can induce their own trippy effects but that isn't what you want.

I know a lot of the trippier stuff typically felt wetter and buds tended not to look frosty but instead be more resinous, almost hash like which fits the description. In all honesty if you looked at them without smoking them you might say they were rubbish or assume harsh grass tasting smoke but you'd be wrong. People here in the tropics seem to be creative with drying outdoors so this may be possible.

Modern safer method might be worth looking at:
"Tangwena's Malawi-Style Cob Cure: Fermented Cannabis"

I think youre confused. You American pot guys are getting "high" off of magic marker shoe polish plastic terps and mycotoxins. And claiming that's what makes my nice bone dry properly grown sativa weed "trippy"..

If your weed is similar to holding your breath or puking on a rollercoaster, if youre definition of trippy weed is something that makes your teeth hurt and your dick sting, re-evaluate your evaluation methods.

 

[@hempy]

"Trip weed" was (and probably still is) relatively common around here; I'm guessing in part due to the abundance of hippy culture and off-gridders.

Tripping weed as it was called looked like wet oily leaf, a small coin bag of it went for the same price as an Oz bag did back in the day. I last saw it in 81 or 82 and from speaking to older people than me I have dated it back to 1976.

MM was very different.

 

[yoss33]

PlastikeRubba, I'm sure you can share your flavour industry wisdom without all the hate. Bad drugs moment?

Eucalyptus and menthol smell nothing alike. I've never smelled menthol in weed. I smell mint all the time. Not menthol. Never menthol. My neighbors bring me menthol from their garden every year. It always smells like menthol, never "mint-y".

I'm ignorant of the chemical details, but as someone that has both peppermint and spearmint on my property, I find it funny that you say that "mint" smells nothing like "menthol". Excuse my amateur wording, but isn't the monoterpene menthol the chemical that gives the mints their specific "sharp" smell, peppermint having more of it, spearmint having less, but still having it? Are you sure you are not confusing the chemical menthol with some particular species in the mint genus? It's weird to say that your neighbours bring you a chemical from their garden Do they distil some mint to extract the menthol?

This thread is one of the few ones with only good vibes in it. Why ruin it with hate instead of only improving it with better information? The contributors are mostly potheads, not scientists. You have to bear with that.

 

[FellaAndrene]

Why wouldn't menthol be 2 isopropyl 5 methyl cyclohexanol? Especially talking about weed, it's natural to assume hydrocarbons associated with cannabinoid production (hexanal > THC/CBD, butanoate > THCV/CBDV, etc). Eucalyptus and menthol smell nothing alike. I've never smelled menthol in weed. I smell mint all the time. Not menthol. Never menthol. My neighbors bring me menthol from their garden every year. It always smells like menthol, never "mint-y".

I am a bit confused by what you are trying to say here, buddy. I think my questions are along the same line as what @yoss33 already asked.

Sour Bubble tastes like DMT? What does DMT taste like? I'm guessing like plastic? Like meth? Like ketamine? Like PCP? Like a pair of new shoes? Like Permanent markers? Like any other synthetic man made toxic chemical? From overloading DMAPP with excess P and creating vinyl groups. I guarantee Sour Bubble smells sour when grown by a qualified Cannabis grower, not like toxic man-made plastic chemicals.

DMT tastes like an indole. Now, I can't really describe it in any other way. I've tasted many different indoles, vaporized - from 5-MeO-DMT to 5-MeO-DALT, and from α-methyltryptamine to methylpropyltryptamine. And to me, they have a certain taste. And I've tasted it in weed, too!

(However, synthetic cannabinoids based on indole scaffold like MAM-2201, AM-1220 and JWH-210 don't taste like it. The taste of those compounds is more like plastic or fresh vinyl to me. I suspect the 4-naphthoyl group changes the olfactory/gustatory effects there.)

"Indolic" is also a term in perfumery. And there, indoles concentration-dependent olfactory properties are a great big mystery.

We humans, of course, have evolved to smell indoles (like skatole) very acutely. I think you can guess the reasons for that. Hint: It doesn't have anything to do with man-made toxic chemicals... Or maybe it kinda does.

But somehow, we still can't smell sour.

Do potheads in America just make everything up? To fit their bastardized scenario? I despise wintergreen, but love American wintergreen. Yet no one in the American weed scene can tell me which strains I like. They'll lie to me about terps though. Always. Never they truth from Americans. That's where every conversation with an American pothead comes to a screeching halt as their brain tries to process the fact that "minty" doesn't mean shit to anyone in the flavor industry (Well most the time it means your weed sucks and all your strains smell like toothpaste from the clownsauce fertilizer you use.)

You're barking at the wrong tree here. I live in Northern Europe. I've never even visited the United States, so I'm not that familiar with the "custy" culture there. To me it seems like Americans are ready to sell and buy almost everything.

But yeah, come visit us. We have that real shit.

 

[HorseHash]

I think youre confused. You American pot guys are getting "high" off of magic marker shoe polish plastic terps and mycotoxins. And claiming that's what makes my nice bone dry properly grown sativa weed "trippy"..

If your weed is similar to holding your breath or puking on a rollercoaster, if youre definition of trippy weed is something that makes your teeth hurt and your dick sting, re-evaluate your evaluation methods.

I think you are the one who might be confused... I subtlety pointed out where I am from (Not US)... if you have a level of reading comprehension,
I also pointed out that fermenting weed has risks of bacterial and fungi (mycotoxins) which obviously is not what you want.
Look up Malawi cobs, it was a way of preserving weed before we had mass manufactured glass jars and airconditioning. Done correctly there is no mycotoxins and it's a way of removing the chlorophyll enzymatically. It is not an American concept, maybe too advanced for the Americans

No the weed is not like that. Sometimes everything goes very "cartoonish", watching Eminem rap thought I was watching The Simpsons.
Sometimes you forget how to understand English, sometimes it feels incredibly enlightening like you somehow understand everything and can feel the world turning on its axis.
Sometimes everything plain and boring suddenly seem mysterious and alien.
On rare occasions it's like your entire body starts ringing/vibrating and you can see fractals if you are in a dark place or shut your eyes. Couch locked and more or less incapacitated - I think this level is only really achievable with lower tolerances.
Usually you have a brilliant sleep and wake up feeling like a newborn.
Don't think I have ever puked from weed without alcohol also being in the mix.

 

[HorseHash]

Tripping weed as it was called looked like wet oily leaf, a small coin bag of it went for the same price as an Oz bag did back in the day. I last saw it in 81 or 82 and from speaking to older people than me I have dated it back to 1976.

MM was very different.

This almost sounds similar to my other comment where I was speaking about Malawi Cobs and fermented weed, they seal it up when it's still wet and leave it somewhere that stays too hot for mould and bad things to grow (burying in hot compost was a traditional method).
Comes out looking very resinous.

I have also just learned that Tangwena who developed a modern and safer "cobbing" method is also from the same country as myself and old MM. I wouldn't be surprised if locals here have done similar as it is notoriously difficult to dry in the northern part of the country in the tropics, but heat is abundant.

 

[@hempy]

The tripping weed didn't look cured or even looked like a normal flower, it honestly looked like wet oily leaf.

The old MM was never wet or was the Thai by the time it got to Australia any way, but what was super moist like it had not been dried correctly, but it had been was the old Mango Heads.

Over the years I saw and got the Mango heads it was always like that, I just put it down to its resin being oily.

The high humidity can be an issue even south of the Tropics, it can be extreme in summer.

 

[HorseHash]

The tripping weed didn't look cured or even looked like a normal flower, it honestly looked like wet oily leaf.

The old MM was never wet or was the Thai by the time it got to Australia any way, but what was super moist like it had not been dried correctly, but it had been was the old Mango Heads.

Over the years I saw and got the Mango heads it was always like that, I just put it down to its resin being oily.

The high humidity can be an issue even south of the Tropics, it can be extreme in summer.

In my first comment I spoke of mango smelling weed being trippy for me in the past - likely not the same stuff but maybe not a coincidence? As said in that comment I heard stories about a mango pheno of MM that was supposedly trippy.

Maybe something going on with the terps responsible for the mango smells?

 

[ThaiBliss]

Greetings,

My male GNTS x (NH21 x MM) plant is shooting for the sky again. Without cutting it back, I'm sure it will outgrow all the others again. Rubbing the leaf petioles and stem, I'm getting those controversial aromas that I like so much. To be clear, it doesn't exactly smell like menthol, euculyptus, camphor, or pinesol. It does remind me of all of them. It definately can be compared to an aromatic solvent. It smells like you could use it to clean motor oil off the pavement where I park my car.

I'm sure glad I found this giant, unusually fast growing, and extremely slow flowering plant.