YOUR GARDEN IS NOT ORGANIC...

[xmobotx]

right, good point - i remember you saying something about them switching your water and the PH shift

kind of like what i found when i lived at the place w/ the cement well

i use rain water a lot but my well is good here (super deep a little mineralized and about 6.8)

 

[Harinama]

honestly, i don't think there really is a difference from chem/org product if it is properly flushed and cured.

That being said, my entire blumat/hempy system is organic EXCEPT 2 drops of superthrive/gal ..guess i could stop that.

Purevida grow/bloom(have to filter w/dishtowel or clogs blumats)
humic/fulvic nectar + seaweed
cedar oil/pyrethrin/neem oil for bad things,etc.
lots of love!

BUT, while i do my very best to produce organic bud, i won't hesitate to pull out the big chem guns if i need to to fight for my plants.


I know full well that at least 1/2 of all bud at dispensaries that "says" it's "organic" is far from it.

 

[Stoned Crow]

i dont measure anything, but a microscope is some cool shit. the things you can see when looking so close will amaze you. one of the things i have been hooked on lately is the spores from fungi. they come in so many shapes and sizes its amazing.

Yeah, just this week I read a really good article online at the New York Times about growing mushrooms. I think that might be my next project....SC

 

[Stoned Crow]

It's beautiful in there sc. Borrow a scope and look. You don't have to own one. It certainly does not take the wonder away.

And microscopes don't measure. And if anything, they allow to measure less. I wish I could spend longer looking in, but I guess time is a limitation for all things.

You know, you can take what I'm saying further - since you can't know without looking, and you can't look without a scope, and you can grow without knowing, maybe we don't need to make shit up about products, and instead say "that works for me" so that we don't screw people who try to apply our theories to other scenarios. Because growing weed in soil is not hard, most people can figure out how to do it pretty well with only a few key concepts and techniques.

Damn you guys with your microscopes!! I hear what your saying ML & JK, and that's where I'm heading when it makes sense with the bank account, just out of sheer curiosity.

I think Treefrog said it best when he identified the "Type A and type B" responses to organic gardening. To me, that's what's so great about this place, the mixture of type A & B responses to the questions asked. Sometimes you feel like a Rocket-Scientist, other times you feel like a Cave-Man. The beauty of it is that most of it is good information, and ends up making you a better grower....SC

EDIT: A good tune http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lBFdX37Qpnk&feature=related

 

[Stoned Crow]

Damn, the weekend was that hard on everyone? Are we at the point that we don't have anything else to discuss here?....SC

 

[guest2012y]

I had a good weekend full of organic goodness...Found a local source for the best organic products,harvested,and met up with some cool cats and puffed some organic smoke,gifted and received gifts of some swell product. Yeah.....organic gardening can take you places you didn't expect.

 

[Stoned Crow]

This weekend I took a tour of a green house where this lady had an avocado tree that had a base as big as my thigh.....the lady that runs this greenhouse has some skill....man I need a greenhouse....SC

 

[baet]

yeah it is.

 

[Dignan]

What I find most interesting about these threads is that, even when I consider all the responses from my closest bros here, those whose methods are the most like my own... I still don't agree with any of ya 100%.

My methods are my own... your methods are your own. Every garden is unique and I think that's a beautiful thing.

 

[treefrog]

 

[grapeman]

no sacrifice - he's saying supplement

i m a believer in foliar feeding - unless he's talking about foliar w/ chem nutes?

In fact I was speaking of any type of nutes the plant may need, organic or otherwise. I can understand the desire to make a living system within the soil and why we should strive to do so. But (for example) if the plant needs a bit extra P, and you spray some phosphite on the leaf, what's the problem? If it wasn't usable to the plant the plant would not be able to use it. A usable P compound is a usable P compound. If the plant can't tell the difference, why do you think you can or should even try?

You are trying to decide what's best for the plant while the plant is drinking in the phosphites. The plant knows what it can use and what it cannot use better then you. You are taking this organic thing off the grid.

Flaming to start in 5,4,3,2,1....go.

 

[mad librettist]

plants don't drink grapeman.

 

[xmobotx]

In fact I was speaking of any type of nutes the plant may need, organic or otherwise. I can understand the desire to make a living system within the soil and why we should strive to do so. But (for example) if the plant needs a bit extra P, and you spray some phosphite on the leaf, what's the problem? If it wasn't usable to the plant the plant would not be able to use it. A usable P compound is a usable P compound. If the plant can't tell the difference, why do you think you can or should even try?

You are trying to decide what's best for the plant while the plant is drinking in the phosphites. The plant knows what it can use and what it cannot use better then you. You are taking this organic thing off the grid.

Flaming to start in 5,4,3,2,1....go.

i m glad to see you back

 

[grapeman]

plants don't drink grapeman.

:/

 

[guest2012y]

plants don't drink grapeman.

Mine get pretty thirsty.

 

[treefrog]

Yeah, the fire was getting low. Thanks for the kindling grapeman. Now we just need some wind...
Maybe the "Organic" forum should use this thread (or start another) as a sticky where believers and non-believers can wrestle their stoned melons.

 

[guest2012y]

Yeah, the fire was getting low. Thanks for the kindling grapeman. Now we just need some wind...
Maybe the "Organic" forum should use this thread (or start another) as a sticky where believers and non-believers can wrestle their stoned melons.

What seed catalog do I find Stoned Melons in?

LOL

Interesting thread this has become....I keep thinking there should be a IC mag convention in Las Vegas. There would be a whole room dedicated to those who argue and fuss about stuff. A row of tables like the visiting rooms in jails. Then when the arguement gets to the point where it becomes invalid,you have the option to go to another room where a boxing ring is set up and you can beat the crap out of each other.

 

[grapeman]

Yeah, the fire was getting low. Thanks for the kindling grapeman. Now we just need some wind...
Maybe the "Organic" forum should use this thread (or start another) as a sticky where believers and non-believers can wrestle their stoned melons.

Maybe. Just that I am a trained user of synthetics & organic... depending on what works. I guess my post was to question the conviction of foliar apps of usable nutrients, organic or not.

I am just perplexed as to why a nutrient should be avoided via foliar application just because it may not be organic. I'm not talking pesticides or the like, I'm talking NPK or minor elements. If the uptake is there and the leaves/plant makes use of the elements, then WTF is the difference? Plants at the cellular level are very smart when it come to nutrition, ie. you cannot apply urea and expect the plant to make use of the N until it has undergone it's transformation in the soil to nitrates. so applying usable elements via foliar can only be a good thing, if done properly.

I have no issues with the soil subsystems in an organic micro-herd growing program.

 

[CT Guy]

ha ha - yeah, there's all kinds of weird shit in my bag of "black gold"

i m really looking forward to my worm bin becoming productive

Black Gold is not EWC in my opinion. I talked with their reps at the San Fran Flower and Garden Show and they absolutely refused to tell me how much EWC was in their mixes, just that it was a percentage and I was supposed to take their word that it was a large percentage. So stupid!

They also have done no biological testing.

Now, all that being said, I did look at one sample under the microscope and it had good bacterial numbers. Not much fungi, but you could get good bacteria and flagellates out of it (that's really not that hard to do though). But, I only looked at a couple of samples from one bag.

Oh, and my comment on the rest of this thread is as follows:

If you pay attention to your plants, whatever methodology you employ is going to be more successful. Spending time with your plants, with your hands in the soil is the best thing you can do for them (provided you're not over-watering or over-fertilizing). Just getting a feel for your plants and when they're healthy or deficient is the most important thing of all in my opinion.

 

[treefrog]

Maybe. Just that I am a trained user of synthetics & organic... depending on what works. I guess my post was to question the conviction of foliar apps of usable nutrients, organic or not.

I am just perplexed as to why a nutrient should be avoided via foliar application just because it may not be organic. I'm not talking pesticides or the like, I'm talking NPK or minor elements. If the uptake is there and the leaves/plant makes use of the elements, then WTF is the difference? Plants at the cellular level are very smart when it come to nutrition, ie. you cannot apply urea and expect the plant to make use of the N until it has undergone it's transformation in the soil to nitrates. so applying usable elements via foliar can only be a good thing, if done properly.

I have no issues with the soil subsystems in an organic micro-herd growing program.

I wasn't trying to bust your balls, grapeman. I've actually enjoyed this thread and was just trying to be funny. Whatever makes you happy in your garden is groovy with me. I prefer organic because it's so visceral and back to nature, and you have to admit we as a people are too removed from it, too in our heads, as evidenced by this conversation in cyberspace. Any pot grower is better company than most folks out there, imho, even growers who use synthetics!

If you pay attention to your plants, whatever methodology you employ is going to be more successful. Spending time with your plants, with your hands in the soil is the best thing you can do for them (provided you're not over-watering or over-fertilizing). Just getting a feel for your plants and when they're healthy or deficient is the most important thing of all in my opinion.

Right on CT!