YOUR GARDEN IS NOT ORGANIC...

[xmobotx]

here is a question: im sure you would be able add synthetics to organics without destroying the food web but why would you? If your soil is built properly wouldn't adding synthetics be like buying a gold platted toilet? sure you could do it but whats the point.

that was my line of thought too. and the thing is chem nutes do have an impact on the biology. some people want to exaggerate it and some want to minimize it. but there is no superiority in chem nutes over organic nutes (the inverse of the chem nute argument that organic is not "superior" just different) even if you consider them to be "equal;" why do you pay to add a nute (which will only disrupt the living soil you worked to achieve a little) when you can add more of the same organic nutes (often for free) and continue to benefit the living soil (not just "not hurt it" continue to benefit further?)

ever compare a big mac to anything out of a julia child cookbook?

why do people want big macs then?

hey, that's not organic gardening

 

[guest2012y]

I love my organic garden and it loves me. All my friends and family love it too. Why even consider using anything questionable?...... there is no point in it for the peeps I know..... and really, why debate it to the point of frustration when we all KNOW what is best.

 

[jaykush]

i think the question is not does it harm soil biology, but does it harm you. certain chemicals and pesticides and things like that can fuck you up!

 

[xmobotx]

my biggest concern w/ non-organic is the pesticide factor

we can bicker about whether a few chem nutes really hurt things all day and neither side will be happy. but you raise a valid issue since handling these chems in their raw state can be a concern before the plant ever sees them.

organic is not w/o it's issues. it would be easy to make a sandwich after you'd been messing w/ manure w/o washing up - but then a lot of that gets quelled when you start leaning on the plant products and get away from animal products

 

[Microbeman]

All microbe man did was say he thought protozoa are superior indicators.

I did not say this, nor mean it. I'm not that narrow-viewed so as to restrict my observations/conclusions to one iindicator species.
I already addressed this but seemingly my post was accidentally removed. It is not bickering so I assume it was an accident.

 

[Stoned Crow]

ever compare a big mac to anything out of a julia child cookbook?

why do people want big macs then?

You be careful ML, your posts will magically be deleted if it comes across as childish-bickering or off topic...SC

 

[ActuallyOrganic]

The USDA says:

Organic food is produced by farmers who emphasize the use of renewable resources and the conservation of soil and water to enhance environmental quality for future generations. Organic meat, poultry, eggs, and dairy products come from animals that are given no antibiotics or growth hormones. Organic food is produced without using most conventional pesticides; fertilizers made with synthetic ingredients or sewage sludge; bioengineering; or ionizing radiation. Before a product can be labeled ‘organic,’ a Government-approved certifier inspects the farm where the food is grown to make sure the farmer is following all the rules necessary to meet USDA organic standards. Companies that handle or process organic food before it gets to your local supermarket or restaurant must be certified, too.”

So how does using Liquid Karma in my garden negate my garden from being organic?

^^^check bold

 

[mad librettist]

are you going to tell us why? how? what?

give us the info bro.

 

[DocLeaf]

If you use products like LIQUID KARMA or other bottled nutrients that are not certified so please stop saying your end product is so...

certification means squat diddle these ends,, the plastic bottle alone signifies that it is NOT really an organic product,, say no more

 

[grapeman]

If you are afraid of disrupting the soil life with synthetics, and are afraid your organic nutes may not quite be up to the task of finishing your crop, then start looking at foliar applications to augment your soil strategy. With a well formulated soil, small amounts of the right foliar on a regular basis would even things out just fine.

A no brainer.

 

[mad librettist]

Sacrifice phylosphere for rhizosphere?

If only it were that simple.

 

[xmobotx]

no sacrifice - he's saying supplement

i m a believer in foliar feeding - unless he's talking about foliar w/ chem nutes?

 

[mad librettist]

I believe he is...

 

[xmobotx]

I believe he is...

well, if so then, lol @ grapeman

 

[rocky5]

i get confused on what organics actualy is.
but this is what i have in my head if we were to be totally organic
would we not need to live on a small holding or farm and use only natural products
around us importing nothing further than walking/horse ridding distance?
i see myself as a poor man organic type as such using what i have to hand and
also buying what i need and can afford.
would a true city organic person not be a stig of the dump?taking what is at hand.
as i say i get confused.

 

[Maj.Cottonmouth]

Are plastic pots organic?

 

[etinarcadiaego]

If you use products like LIQUID KARMA or other bottled nutrients that are not certified so please stop saying your end product is so...

This statement is completely false.

Did you know the VAST MAJORITY of organic nutrient additives are not OMRI (or otherwise) listed, but are still considered safe (and legal) for use in certified organic farms, and furthermore are exclusively derived from by-products of dead/decaying organisms (and organic materials)?

ActuallyOrganic might want to spend some time finding out what organic actually means.

 

[GeorgeSmiley]

Are plastic pots organic?

Petro product is pretty far from it. And just because something is recycleable doesn't mean it should have been made in the first place.

I think smartpots made of hemp would be the way to go

Smiley

 

[etinarcadiaego]

Are plastic pots organic?

Yes, they are, however they are not earth friendly because being petroleum based they are formed from non-renewable resources. However by definition they are indeed organic.

Petro product is pretty far from it. And just because something is recycleable doesn't mean it should have been made in the first place.

I agree with you that plastic is not an earth friendly material, although there are newer biodegradble plastics called: PLAs.

However, petroleum is in fact an organic compound, so by definition many plastics (not all of them, some contain synthetic compounds) are actually organic.

 

[mad librettist]

ok, I came up with a catchy way to restate this:

I believe some of you are convinced "organic" means "it once lived". This is wrongheaded in my view. One needs to be able to say "it is alive". Maybe not each part, but certainly the whole.

Being organic product by some lawyerly definition without coming from living soil (however flawed) is like having Jesus and no resurrection. There is no point anymore, other than trying to fit in.