Which Sour Diesel is used in Soma's NYCD?

[Closet Funk]

I know the story. Soma got the seeds from a Rastafarian in New York that claimed it was the best weed he ever smoked. Soma then grew them out and selected his mother and then crossed it with his Afghan-Hawaiian. The strain was Sour Diesel. The question is which Sour Diesel was used? I know there isn't many but isn't there others besides Rez's? I'm just curious. Any info if appreciated.

 

[dRbreiT0r]

i think it was as you said expect the strain wasnt sour diesel it was new york city diesel.

sour diesel is rezdog strain
and i think he used the soma diesel to make his cross

greetz

 

[Closet Funk]

I remember reading in the Big Book of Buds 2 that the cross was a Mexican Sativa x Afghani-Hawaiian. I think Sour Diesel is Mexican Sativa x Chem.

 

[dRbreiT0r]

never heard that

 

[Captain Hook]

Soma's Diesel and Rez's Diesel are as closely related as Prince Charles and George Bush.
They are completely different strains....
The true sour d is offspring of OG Kush (and I believe that chem and/or dawg is/are related to those strains as well.. but can't remember how).
Anyhow, NYCD is in no way shape or form related to sour d and there's no comparison.
Soma's d is a nice strain, but if you want to experience diesel, it's not going to happen smoking NYCD. You can call a strain anything you want, of course. And Soma decided to call that stuff he got "NYCD" after he finished crossing it with whatever he crossed it with. My guess is that he wanted to increase it's sales potential, and since the parentage beans did actually come from the east coast, it was a stretch but not completely dishonest in naming it as he did. The "diesel" part is where stretch comes into the equation.
NYCD yields a lot better than sour d, and more than one pheno can be expected to come from Soma's if you pop 4 or 5 beans... but with sour d ibl there's only one thing you're going to end up with (only major variation would be yield), and it(rez's) would be considered by most to be the superior smoke without question. As for the previous versions of sour d (2, 2.5, etc) there's definately more variation to be expected because those were the early results of Rez's mission to stablize the strain, thus making the "real deal" available in seed form.
cap'n

 

[Closet Funk]

Keep bringing the info on..........

 

[Grat3fulh3ad]

Soma's NYCD came from a seed found in a bag of 'diesel' bought in NY... He sprouted the seed, crossed it with afghan hawaiian and called the seeds NYCD...

Sour Diesel is the offspring of Dawg/Chemdawg and Mass. super skunk...

OG kush has the same mother as Sour diesel, I believe...

 

[Guest423]

not the mass super skunk again.....i need that thing

 

[Captain Hook]

Soma's NYCD came from a seed found in a bag of 'diesel' bought in NY... He sprouted the seed, crossed it with afghan hawaiian and called the seeds NYCD...

Sour Diesel is the offspring of Dawg/Chemdawg and Mass. super skunk...

OG kush has the same mother as Sour diesel, I believe...

Grat's got it right...

High Times May 2006 has an article about ECSD:

"Few know that both strains (Kush and Sour Diesel) share a parent in Chemdog aka Chemdawg, the Dog, Headband, Snowdog. Even fewer know that the original Chemdog is stronger, easier to grow and even more flavorful than any of it's offspring."

Paraphrasing now...
Chemdog was eventually renamed OG Kush by someone who had a clone of it... and that clone was crossed with Mass Superskunk (originally from Sensi Seeds).... the result of that cross was named Sour Diesel.

I can't find any mention of Soma's NYCD in the article... and that would make sense, because as I mentioned before it was (probably) only called that to confuse peeps, thus increasing sales potential. Many an unknowing victim (including myself) sought long and hard to aquire NYCD... unaware that finally attaining it would bring us no closer to having Sour D than before. It pays to do your homework. Don't get me wrong - NYCD is a really nice strain... but it's not what the name inSINuates.
cap'n

 

[Closet Funk]

So the Diesel in NYCD isn't close to any of the other Diesels?

 

[aeric]

Only the weed goddess knows for sure, CF, if that Rastafarian friend of Soma was smokin diesel, sour diesel, a sour mexican landrace, or a special strain from underneath the north pole of Mars (that part that has water). But probably it was none of the above. Maybe soon someone can do a DNA test...until then we are guessing.

 

[Harpo]

Hey, Don't forget King's Kross. Great stuff. Sweet tasting. The high and potency are a lot like the OG S1's I grew out. Reeferman claims King's Kross is related to the family. . . . .
Rez's SD I save for Sundays.
These strains all kick ass. From HID lamps and not tropical suns for gosh sakes!
I would love to see a genetic thingie done.
Somas NYCD was crossed with Rez's cut of ECSD and heavenly bliss followed. Sour rules.

 

[REZDOG]

Somas NYCD was crossed with Rez's cut of ECSD and heavenly bliss followed. Sour rules.

That's simply incorrect.

Absolutely no Sour Diesel was used in Soma's NYCD.
NONE.

Factoids: Soma's NYC Diesel is a 'diesel' bagseed X Shantibaba's Afghani/Hawaiian male.

The Original Diesel (Chemdog) is a CLONE,there are/were no seeds.

"The N.Y.C Diesel has its roots in the Big Apple, a friend brought the seeds and said that it was the best pot he ever smoked, he had dreads down to the ground so I believed him.

Link:
http://www.somaseeds.nl/seeds/nycdiesel.html


I hope that helps.



Cheers!

 

[Harpo]

Rez,

I'm sorry. I didn't mean to imply Soma used your cutting of the ECSD in his NYCD.
The thread has wandered from its first question to include other varietals of this fine strain.
How could Soma call it NYCD until after he had already bred it up? I was talking about your first breeding of SD.
You have published many times you first crossed the ECSD with Soma's NYCD.
I always save your SD for Sunday smoke. I've grown out the 2.5 and V3's. My pack of omega diesels seeds sit in the freezer.

 

[Delta9-THC]

harpo harpo ... you didnt imply you straight out said it lol nothing more to say except grat3ful and Rez know their shit (obviously)
peace

 

[Mampi]

Somas NYCD was crossed with Rez's cut of ECSD and heavenly bliss followed. Sour rules.

hey REZ & delta I think he said ^^^ above that NYCD was crossed with rez's ESCD cut.... it's Closet Funk that had it the other way round...

REZ I though that the beginning of your ESCD project started with a NYCD male from soma x ESCD (clone only)... then you backrossed it several times until the latest offering...

Closet Funk says:

I know the story. Soma got the seeds from a Rastafarian in New York that claimed it was the best weed he ever smoked. Soma then grew them out and selected his mother and then crossed it with his Afghan-Hawaiian. The strain was Sour Diesel. The question is which Sour Diesel was used? I know there isn't many but isn't there others besides Rez's? I'm just curious. Any info if appreciated.

Too much weed peeps!

CiaO!

 

[Closet Funk]

Rez- Thanks for dropping in and clearing things up.

Mampi- That's the story I heard. I heard that it was a diesel that was used in the cross to make NYCD. My question was which diesel was used. I didn't say it was Reservoirs Sour D. Anyways Rez came along and cleared things up.

 

[aeric]

NYCD was out way before REZs ECSD. While we're at it...whaddafuxup with the big book of buds 2? It has a completely different story for REZs ECSD, did they do thier research or listen to the rumor mill?

 

[Guest]

rez there were 12 seeds in the chem I sent to chemdog in 90ish.

he sent me 4 that he had in his freezer for 16yrs and they are all female and looking very happy.


from left to right _ chem dawg original 1,2,3,4 from seed the 5th one is the original 91 daeg cut.

 

[Guest]

well i guess theres more noobs then i could have imagined, heres some info on sourDeez, NYCD, chemdawg, daywrecker, headband and all the lines that went into um. i have posted this many times, and its been hashed out so many times i cant believe everyone aint on the same page.

heres the archived read...........

Originally posted by JJ-NYC
Let me give everyone a history lession about the Diesel. The Chem Dawg
was a unknown indica strain(Kush,HP,or NL?) old school, from
Colorodo. (Does anyone know what strain or its orgin?)This is the
orginal NYC DIESEL. Two friends met on Dead tour. A pound of Chem
was mailed to Mass. around 93-94.Seeds were found and started.My
friend met Mass.G. at Phish tour 93-94.Clones of the Chem Dawg and
Super Skunk made their way to NYC. With no male,The Weasel crossed a
Sensi NL male with the Super Skunk. Took a male and crossed it with
the Chem Dawg creating the Underdawg Diesel or (Diesel no.1,Headband
Diesel,or Daywrecker Diesel).Another strain in his room the DNL
(NL/Shiva(RFK)/Hawiian cross) self seeded the Under Dawg a seed was
grown and The Sour Diesel was created, no planned breeding, it just
happened. This is the Diesel gospel. Everything else is BS including
soma (who the fuck is soma?) I challenge anyone who questions this
fact, for I have been involved with the Diesel since it came to NYC.



Originally posted by ThaDocta
soma got his diesel from a bagseed from a buddy from NYC or at least
thats how soma described it. his diesel could be an s1 of original
diesel, underdawg, sour d, or any other b/c it sounds like all of
them in nyc gets mixed up pretty easily (due to similar heritage)
unless youre really in the loop and have access to all of them and
know heritage. that leaves a range of options for soma's expression
of his bagseed diesel momma. and yes, his nyc diesel is not pure
diesel, his first hybrid that won the awards was that diesel bag
momma cross shanti's afghani/hawaiian male. i believe the current
seeds sold by soma are a first backcross to his diesel mom.


So.....

Original Diesel = (SensiNL X MassSuperSkunk) X Dawg/Chem
Sour Diesel = [(SensiNL X MassSuperSkunk) X Dawg/Chem] X DNL
Soma's NYCD = Diesel Bagseed (probably orig, not sour) X (Afghani X Hawaiian)
DNL = RFK X Hawaiian
RFK = NL X Shiva

The sativa comes from skunk. Two different types Mass. Super Skunk,
which was in the Under Dawg Diesel and RFK skunk which was bred into
the DNL. The newest confirmed breeding. The DNL was a RFK skunk
female/Hawiain male x NL male. The breeding on this strain has been
very unclear over the years . First thought to be a Diesel x NL cross
(thats how it got its name DNL) this plant grows tall and streches
very similar growth to the Sour.

RFK was a skunk strain developed from seeds found in a bag scored at
the 90-91? Dead shows at RFK there were 3 different versions of RFK
Skunk 1,2,3. The strain was given to a friend with some Hawaian
seeds(still investagating source) and he crossed the two. Had a
female and added some NL pollen(investagating source) creating the
DNL, which hermi and seeded the Under Dawg Diesel. I know its
confusing. But I think it should be like this...

Original Diesel = Dawg/Chem X (MassSuperSkunk X SensiNL)
Sour Diesel = Original Diesel X DNL
DNL = (RFK Skunk X Hawaiian) X NL
RFK = Skunk strain from RFK dead Shows 90-91

Some of the breeding was planned and some not. The Sour was not
planned. The RFK's and stuff was around before the Diesel. Once
they got a hold of the Chem they started breeding what they had into
it. The DNL was the orginal cash crop before the Diesel and Sour. But
was phased out after being taken over by the Diesel. Only the orginal
breeder and a few have the strain now. Many different crosses were
made seeds still exsist but are over 10 years old. Once they created
the Diesel they were contempt and stopped breeding.

Chemdog

This is for rezdog the sour diesel is in fact a total mistake the
chemdog which was started in co from a very old farmer got seeds to a
person in ma not cali which was started then in 91. It was the best
bud i have ever smoked smelled or tasted. By 1993 it was the sickest
shit around. Then the kids met these guys from ny at a phish show and
they were begging the kids for a cutting which at that point was
scarce.The kids were very tight and knew they had something special.
We then became good friends and the kids traded the chem dog for a
super skunk which is better then any skunk i have seen.We made
promises to not give the shit away it was the bomb. Now this is were
we get a little pissed off but are over it by now the nyc guys didnt
like the name chem dog so they had a idea to chang the name to DIESEL.
So the orig Chem dog is Diesel so what happend next explains the
Sour The kids in ma had the best shit around everybody wanted the
Chem dog people were coming up from albany to get the Diesel in bud
form and they found some seeds in one batch. The super skunk that the
kids were growing hermd and hit the chem dog aka diesel and the albany
crew started those seeds and named it sour diesel also the orig
chemdog aka diesl is og kush. its Chem dog also the ma kids are the
only ones who have orig seeds of chem dog aka diesel still from the
early 90s everybody got cuttings the kids still have 6 seeds left.
hope you all find this info helpful i will soon give full details
about the chem dog,sour diesel,diesel,og kush.Its time to settle all
the bullshit that people seem to know peace to all

Guys your all right except the the og kush is a hermi seed from the
chem dog from back in 96 their were only two people in the day to
take the chem dog to the west coast it first hit lake tahoe. My
friends chem dog got stressed and hermi a little so he decide to try
the few seeds and the buddy who gave the chem dog seeds to us said
the old farmer said it hade kush in it so my buddy to this day thinks
its a strain of the orig kush and said if the ny kids can change the
name from chem dog lets call the west coast version OG kUSH that is
the truth. If anybody ever smoked the chem dog back in the day early
90s it taste like the sour but fifty times more The chem dog is the
mom of the sour so basicly the og kush is a newer seed of the orig
chem dog. peace to all. wmposse if any of you have questions let me
know also i wanna talk to this rez dog guy because he claims no one
has seeds of these strains well iam the only one with true males and
females of the Chem dog,Sour diesel,Bubble chem, i have crossed a
male Chem dog Aka Diesel with all of Sensi seeds good females already
back in 96 they have been in storage since then and i know are still
viable because the me kids just started the Super dog which is the
Superskunk crossed with the chemdog and its sick enjoy the info a lot
more to come

Part of what you say is true. But you have some of the facts mixed
up. First of all, I go way back to the begining 92-93. my good friend
from NY, was the one who got the Chem Dawg and Super Skunk first.
And yes the Chem was first called Diesel because people did not like
the name and because it was the "Cock Diesel" But you don't talk
about the next strain created from the Chem Dawg. Also known as
UnderDawg, Daywrecker, Diesel no.1 (Chem Dawg x super skunk/NL) from
this the Sour was born hermied from the DNL(skunk). That is were it
gets its vigorous growth and some of the taste. Any one who has grown
or smoked it would know. And yes the Albany kids were the first to
"find " the Sour, the "bro" and his crew did not invent it. It was
grown out of seeds found in head bags bought in NYC. The upstate kids
were begging for a cutting of either Diesel and wound up with bag
seed to grow. Thats fact.


so there ya go.

CBF