Worst drying/curing advice that you still see people going by?

[Chevy cHaze]

Hey I thought of the original thread title again...
One method I remember hearing about that I think is really bad advice is water curing.
The process involves washing freshly harvested bud in water to get rid of some of the chlorophyll before drying.
This sounds like inviting desaster to me?

 

[Wolverine97]

Eh, the conversation shifted. It's an entirely reasonable discussion, and still mostly on topic, just at the other end now. Besides, I think the current discussion is far more useful than the OP question.

Water curing sucks. I've tried it a few times back when it was a bit of a fad. Never liked any of it, even a little bit. But I do wash my outdoor plants prior to harvest. Them shits get dirty outside, dirt, dust, feathers, bird shit, etc. If they're particularly dirty, I will wash them with Dr Zyme, but usually just water. While still alive, let them dry off, then harvest.

 

[BrassNwood]

Harvest, trim close, plunge in barrel of water and agitate a few seconds. Now hang to dry.

 

[Chevy cHaze]

So that's really a thing that works?

 

[brickweeder]

I remember reading about increasing the potency of MJ by doing a mold cure...moistening it, sealing it in a plastic bag, and letting it sit in the dark until mold grew on it...was supposed t make it more potent. I believe it was either in Steal This Book or the Anarkist Cookbook...

 

[Chevy cHaze]

I remember reading about increasing the potency of MJ by doing a mold cure...moistening it, sealing it in a plastic bag, and letting it sit in the dark until mold grew on it...was supposed t make it more potent. I believe it was either in Steal This Book or the Anarkist Cookbook...

Holy Sh** that sounds like the worst nightmare. Probably hits like a sledgehammer... smoking mold

 

[TrifektaSeeds]

Water dunks are ok before hanging and is common with outdoor bud.
No need for it indoor.
Weed is best when it's finished drying.
Curing will bring some depth in taste and smell but definitely won't make it more powerful than it always when it was ready.
If your drying good and get medicore results, don't sweat it, it's the genetics.
That's what separates elite from keepers to hemp.
It's insane how much emphasis people put on the most marginal stuff.

 

[Orange's Greenhouse]

HI, i don't really understand why that would be ? which reactions involving moisture would stop permanently and not resume once the moisture was there again ?

The curing reactions are mediated by enzymes. Those are proteins that cause a specific reaction to occur, eg transforming a precursor into an aromatic flavourant.

When the enzymes dry too much they permanently change their shape. The water is part of their structure and removing it causes them to collapse. Afterwards you can't turn them back into their orginal. Heating egg does the same thing.
After the shape is changed they no longer perform the same function, like a bent wrench.

 

[Hiddenjems]

I love long cured Death Star. I'm finishing off a jar from three years ago, as my nightcap smoke. The nuances of flavor that come through after a long cure are beautiful. Very different than when fresh. Not better, not worse. Different, but far more complex.

Do you have a for sure northeast Ohio cut from the early 2000’s?

I live in the area, we laugh in private at a lot of people that think they have “the deathstar”

Don’t take my word for it. This is the real deathstar plant.

 

[Wolverine97]

Do you have a for sure northeast Ohio cut from the early 2000’s?

I live in the area, we laugh in private at a lot of people that think they have “the deathstar”

Don’t take my word for it. This is the real deathstar plant.

Not anymore I don't. I lost it a couple years ago along with a bunch of other elites. I would dearly love to get her back though.

 

[Hiddenjems]

Not anymore I don't. I lost it a couple years ago along with a bunch of other elites. I would dearly love to get her back though.

I feel you. I just lost mine in a move this fall, but I know 3 other guys with her in my county. But the longer I’m out the greater the demand when I bring her back. I figure by summer it’ll be back up to $250-$300 a zip.

I’ve made hundreds of s1 seeds of her and none of them ever came close to the original.

 

[TrifektaSeeds]

Probably not true breeding at all that clone
Sucks to hear, but it's all part of breeding work haha if it's worth it, stabilize it.
People will pay a lot for a consistent seed batch made from a killer plant.

 

[420PyRoS]

I used to do it similarly. But now I'm happier without burping. You just have to catch it at just the right stage of drying. But if you get it right, you don't need to burp at all. I'm the pickiest weed person that I know, have been doing this for almost 30 years now. The best method I have found, that is rock solid consistent, is what I posted above, back maybe a page or so.

I get ya. The only reason I still do this is to prolong the drying process a bit more. Whether it actually does anything extra or not idk for certain but the terps pop so I stuck with it. Once it's good I leave em in without burping.

I'll give your way a try now that you mentioned it. Maybe same results with less steps, which I can dig.

 

[VerdantGreen]

The curing reactions are mediated by enzymes. Those are proteins that cause a specific reaction to occur, eg transforming a precursor into an aromatic flavourant.

When the enzymes dry too much they permanently change their shape. The water is part of their structure and removing it causes them to collapse. Afterwards you can't turn them back into their orginal. Heating egg does the same thing.
After the shape is changed they no longer perform the same function, like a bent wrench.

That's useful, thanks. Are we talking about 'water of crystallization ? if so, would it be driven off by simple ambient drying or would it require actual heating to become anhydrous ?
VG

 

[Wolverine97]

So, are you actually Kevin J., or just using his pic?

Cool, thanks for the response. I love when people do drive by insult posting, but then don't respond. It's super helpful.

 

[Orange's Greenhouse]

That's useful, thanks. Are we talking about 'water of crystallization ? if so, would it be driven off by simple ambient drying or would it require actual heating to become anhydrous ?
VG

Just a dry environment is enough. But heat would destroy them too even if enough water is present.

 

[greencalyx]

Just took some lactase with my breakfast, and it got me thinking.

How is lactase different, in that it still functions fine as an enzyme, even when taken as a dry, chalky tablet? Is it less complicated and more resistant to being denatured?

This is an interesting topic that I'll have to look further into.

 

[Orange's Greenhouse]

How is lactase different, in that it still functions fine, even when taken as a dry, chalky tablet? Less complicated and more resistant to being denatured?

Just took some lactase with my breakfast, and it got me thinking.

This is an interesting topic that I'll have to look further into.

By adding stabilizers and drying under controlled conditions. Also lactase is so cheap that you can accept some loss in activity and offset that by using a higher dose.

There are also freeze dried drugs (medicine) that are proteins and function after being redissolved. If you're interested in the process and the additives used pick up a textbook on pharmaceutical technology and look for lyophilization. I can recommend the books by Voigt or Aulton (more in depth).
Libraries and certain sites on the web offer access for free.

 

[G.O. Joe]

I find it baffling how we all here on this thread, or even IC mag as a whole, cannot seem to come anywhere near to a conclusion on this topic.

Not all are on board with providing free research and development for cannabiz cartels. Much more could be said than has been.

Are we talking about 'water of crystallization ?

This would require crystals, and being a crystal in the plant would defeat their purposes by making them unavailable. In other words, they aren't crystals in or on the plant. As an aside, it's amazing that some quite complicated and large enzymes can be crystallized but THCA-A can't.

The bonds holding enzymes together are actual chemical bonds between the amino acids. The bonds can remain intact while the overall structure and ability to do things can change. This has little to do with water. The egg example is interesting, as a whole bunch of food chemistry involves eggs and how much they're beaten.

 

[Chevy cHaze]

Not all are on board with providing free research and development for cannabiz cartels. Much more could be said than has been.



This would require crystals, and being a crystal in the plant would defeat their purposes by making them unavailable. In other words, they aren't crystals in or on the plant. As an aside, it's amazing that some quite complicated and large enzymes can be crystallized but THCA-A can't.

The bonds holding enzymes together are actual chemical bonds between the amino acids. The bonds can remain intact while the overall structure and ability to do things can change. This has little to do with water. The egg example is interesting, as a whole bunch of food chemistry involves eggs and how much they're beaten.

So you're saying secretly we all know and agree on processes but no one shares the knowledge out of fear cartels will use it??