wilting after first 12/12 is this normal ???

[MynameStitch]

2 teaspoons per gallon like you were using is what I would use.

Here is some DIY stuff on cooling your bucket temps if you don't got money for a chiller.

Note: submersible pumps add heat. Use an external/inline pump to minimize heat transfer. High quality digital thermometers are recommended.

* Add cold water when topping up.
Note: abrupt changes in temperature may shock roots.
* Frozen pop bottles/milk jugs.
Fill to ¾. Keep extras in the freezer to replace thawed bottles with new frozen ones, replace as necessary. Note: "Freezy packs" tend to crack and leak.
* Increase size of reservoir
Larger volumes are slower to warm up, pH/ppm is more stable and tank changes are less frequent.
* Put reservoir/bubbling buckets onto floor, or set on concrete blocks to conduct heat away from the water.
* Insulate
Paint all exposed system surfaces white or use reflective material (such as mylar or reflectix). Wrap insulation around tank. Use a camping cooler for a reservoir (pre-insulated and comes with a drain!).
* Swamp cooler
Blow a fan directly across the surface of reservoir for excellent evaporative cooling. This method works well (expect a 10F drop in res. temp), but humidity and tds will increase, and more frequent topping up will be required.

430 scrog "…add a computer fan to a duct blowing into your tank (cut air exit holes). You can run it on a timer (1 hr on, 1 hr off). I run a float valve to keep it topped up."
Make sure lid and reservoir can be easily removed.
* Blow air through the root zone
Divert small amounts of cool intake air directly into the root zone.
* Remote reservoir
In-room reservoirs will quickly heat up to room temp. Put the reservoir (and ballasts) outside of the grow room to minimize tank heating.
* Airstone / Power head / Venturi air supply should be drawn from a cool source (ie. Cool outside air).
* Peltier coil (Thermoelectric chillers).
(Bayou grower) "I use an Ice Probe ($125) and it works well. It uses 50 watts and pulls the temp down 4 degrees under ambient. Cools 10 gal or less." (see coolworksinc.com for more models)
* Reservoir chillers
These are electric A/C units made specifically for cooling water. (Search for "Aquarium chillers")
(smokin fl) "…a heavy box with fan and compressor coils, with a 5 foot refrigeration line with a titanium coil at the end. All you do is plug it in, set the controller and put the coil in the res. Circulate nutes for the best cooling. Get a bigger model than you need."
* Cooling coil
homemade stainless cooling coil A coil of stainless steel is put into the reservoir, cold tap water is trickled through the coil and the overflow runs down the drain. A circulation pump in thte rez makes the cooling more efficient. Adjust tap flow as necessary (Water use can reasonable). No power, unlimited cooling, quiet.

Making your own cooling coil:

Scrap yards and appliance repair shops are full of A/C and fridge coils: 4-20 loops (more surface area is better), with male garden hose connectors welded to each end (Don't use copper or nickel coils). Available in Hydro stores (around $100 cdn).

Note: Cooling coils may not be useful for those on metered water.

DIY heat exchangers: try hot tub suppliers, home brew stores.

 

[GreenBowlsmoker]

have you read or know how long it normaly takes to cure root rot ??

 

[GreenBowlsmoker]

no progress yet , just slowly wilting more and more
plants are starting to yellow from the bottem up , this so pisses me off, they where doing soooo great , then it seams like when i flowered them , they took a down fall. kinda makes it hard to want to continue . maybe im just being down on my self , but to see them like they are hurt me alot , and to think of all the time and money i have investd just to watch them croak .

i soo hope they pull thru . but it is seaming that even if i can beat the root rot they will be so underfeed by then i will have a hole new problem .

what i dont understand is that i see people with alot worse looking roots , i mean you can see the slime on the roots , but there plants dont seam to be drooping as badly as mine. i dont know .

 

[dre86]

do U have a new pic of them??

 

[GreenBowlsmoker]

yes i do this was taken today ,






wilting and yellowing from the bottem up, lower leaves curling up and drying out . some have spots on the leaves i will take those pics tomarrow when i go back over there .

 

[MynameStitch]

Ya, the rot has set in; if the main tap roots were not affected the plant would not be as bad off as it is now, you would end up seeing problems with the leaves, but not the entire plant; your plant is pretty much suffocating to death with the slime being on there, think of it like bronchitis in humans, thick junk in your lungs when you get sick.
I hope you can get them up and fixed, if you can; they are getting worse and worse..... not sure if the plant will make it or not....

has the rot spread?
Did you sanitize everything and put the roots in h202 mixed with water? Like dip them into a bucket with just h202 and water to help kill off some of the bacteria before you put them into there main system?

 

[GreenBowlsmoker]

i cleaned every thing , i mean everything . i then took and cut any smaller roots that where obviously infected off and removed , then i took and dipped all the way to a inch past the bottom of the basket in h202 a strong blend , for about 4-5 min , up and down , up and down , to help remove any dead roots . then i only put in 2 1/2 gallons of water and 1/2 strength nutes and then added sm90 .

note some plants look as id they might be picking back up , im not sure still to early to tell . but the one in the picture is the worst one .

also stitch , can you see the slime , or feel it , because i dont see no slime , and when i feel the roots they just feel like normal kinda stiff roots , not slimey at all . thats the wired part to me, now it might be that its ( in ) the root or something i dont know .

also i never saw any slime , just brownness , and they stunk , now they arent stinking anymore , i just smell the citrus from the sm-90.


at any rate if the croak , i know now what to avoid next go around , ill use sm-90 from the start ,


also i have a question , ok what i do is take a plant out of its bucket and take it to the bathroom for better pics,
when i do this i put the plant in a empty bucket , so the roots are unharmed .
well my buddy has fishtanks , he mentioned today that he had a problem with one of his tank's and that he had drained some water out of his tank into the bucket of mine . im thinking this is where the root rot might have came from ?????? sorry a long write , im trying to nip this in the bud , no pun intended

 

[MynameStitch]

There does not have to be slime, but yes you can see and feel it if it's bad enough; if it's semi starting you can't see it yet, but all it takes is a very small coating of the stuff; the slime is what really gets the roots, because it coats it and causes o2 to be cut from the plant.

The plant can live with root rot, but in order for it to live it has to be controlled and it can't be bad. Your tap roots were infected too which that gets them bad when the main tap roots are affected; ( I know I Said this a lot lol)

That's good if they don't smell anymore, check them everyday to make sure they don't smell, if the smell comes back the root rot is overpowering the h202 and sm90.

It will take some time, but if you got it to where it does not smell you have a good fighting chance.

LOL I bet that is where it came from depending on how bad his tank was, there is alot of natual junk in fish tank water..... how many plants were affected wasn't this the one one right?, aww man I would be so pissed but be laughing at the same time if I were you lol

Shit happens though ya know

 

[GreenBowlsmoker]

yes i asked him , what was you thinking , but he dident know any better .

all of them are infected, this si what led me to think about what else it might be, so when he said he had use the bucket , then i started thinking , humm i ise that bucket for all 4 when showing pics . damn it . lol

a lesson learned is not cheap . lol looking at them in a bit heading to his house now , will report back later .

 

[GreenBowlsmoker]

it seams that my plants wanted to leave someone a message .



lol yea you hit it on the head and once again your words of wisdom ,proved to be correct once again , thanks you more then you know . here are a few shots of one of the babys .


here is 2 days earlyer



and now



main fan leave have pulled them self back up








bottem leaves are lookin like this , ????





to stitch

 

[MynameStitch]

Awww green, that was a very nice thank you dude I am very glad they perked up and now they will survive ( whispers to the plant; now grow up big and strong and make sure you knock him on his ass after ya get chopped )
Just keep eye to make sure it don't come back!
Your roots starting to go pearly white again?

Ya, that is expected for some leaves to show some mumble jumble type stuff; this is from them not getting nutrients right or o2 in certain areas of the roots.

Even though the plant is showing a deficiency; don't fix it; wait till they fully recover before you try to add any higher amount of nutrients in there to fix the problem, the nutrients are in there; they just were not able to absorb them, so if you add more you may burn them......
So just let them recover and do as you were before you had any issues, don't add high ppms to fix the nutrient issue; the plant will fix it on it's on as long as there is enough nutrients in the water, it will take only a few days for them to fully recover now and they should start to pick back up growth and start eating normally

 

[GreenBowlsmoker]

yes mam , the roots that are growing back are pearly white .

also i am using 1/2 strength nutes right now , how long till you think i should go back to full strenth ????


errrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr problems today big , shut down

 

[MynameStitch]

When the roots are fully white or 90% white you can go back to normal stuff

 

[GreenBowlsmoker]

thats how i feel ,

due to the ( DEA ) talking to my best friend last night , who has got me started in this adventure . i had to do the hardest thing i have ever had to do , i had to remove everything , i had to take big cutters and hack my plants down . i just cant take that chance so close to Christmas. it hurt so bad to do . it hurt in my gut , made me feel like i was going to throw up . not a good feeling

i lost 3 1 wwek into 12/12 , and my buddy lost 14 ( the church ) and 2 ( original afgan #1 ) ..

i want to thank anyone that helped me , i am greatfull for every little bit of experance you guys and gals shared with me . i will do this again i will just have alot less friends .

sucks when only 3 people know about you set up , its a shame when and if someone gets busted , how fast they will run there mouth .

anyways thank again

 

[Guest]

I'm working the Mojo for you your ladies (RIP) and your busted homies. You did the right thing (as Herb slaps himself) ... Better safe than sorry. At least you'll be straightened out (thanks to Stitch) for the next time you can safely start up. Peace to you and yours, Herb

 

[MynameStitch]

omg dude, I am so sorry green; dude I hate snitches so ****ing bad dude; seriously the word snitch enrages me!!!!

Did your friend get busted? What happened how did the dea talk to him?
I was busted out by a friend too dude; snitched on like a rat in a lab.

How did you find out they talked to him??
Dude, thats so ****ed up man; I would be pissed but one thing you are still out not in jail, and the DEA is the last the LAST thing you want on your tail; I know it was hard to do........ but at least you still have your freedom.

Dude this sucks so bad dude; I feel for ya man.........

When is this country ever going to get it's head out of it's ass.......

 

[GreenBowlsmoker]

we have a nice little circle of friends , maybe 4 , im the newest , and wee all pertake ing this great adventure . and have been for 9 years running . sensi star , lui , blockhead, the church , and many others . some rooms being 2 plants and some being 20 + , last harverst was 54 oz's .

well this is how it went down
i was checking on my babys ( rip) and i took a pic on my cell phone and sent ti to my friend's phone , about 10 mins later my freind calls me and says that he just got done talking to the DEA. now my firend had over 17 plants at his house at that moment. he told me that his girlsfriends house was raided at 4 pm and that they got his number from his girlfriends mom who lives at the raided house. the dea told my friend eather meet us somewhere or we will find you later , knowing his house was dirty , he met with them . he told them that they had tryed a few years back to grow , but that it dident work and that they just smoke every now and then . the dea then asked to look at his phone ( witch he already deleted everything out of ) so he let them . they then asked to see his wallet , ask him why he had 300 dollers , he siad because its christmas, lol . threy searched his van . they told him that wile they have him there , that they have 2 guys going to his house , and how does he feel about that . then told him ( youll see us in a few days and it aint going to be pritty ). asked him about more of the same shit . then asked where he gets his weed from . told him that because he has the motarola razer cell phone he must be a dealer because that a ( fancey ) phone. wtf . they then told him that someone called the lock-u-up hot line and snitched.
now this dont make sence , the house that they had a warrent for had nothing growing at all and hasent for months, and if they had a tip that something was going on , wouldn't they watch the house first ? i mean i dont see how they got a search warrant with out any type of actively to back it up . like if i call and said my naibor was growing , are they just going to come over and search there house ???

they tore that house up , dumped every drawer out in middle of the house , ripped the vents out of the wall to check ductwork , tore the bed apart, they ripped and tore anything that would rip or tare , 13 of them ****ers . and they left with 1 garbidge bag , inside was a shirt that said Amsterdam seed company , from there trip to Amsterdam, also a ashtray that said greenhouse seed's , 4 green pots with nothing in them, 1 watering tray ,again clean/ a book and different strans of erb , a 1 foot bong , and last but not least 1/2 gram of bud , hahahahahahahahah

all and all they kinda ****ed up , and we learned alot also , like my buddy had notes and records going back to 2001, lots of pics and a few vedeio tapes of him walking thru a few different grow rooms , 4 1000 wat set ups a 400 wat , 2 scrubbers , and 3 blower fans , co2 buckets , new role of mylar , hole room set up to grow . and they warned him , but went straight to her house, seamed they would have waited and watched , as to run in and make a ass of them selfs.

yea man i have alot of thanks for ( stitch ) she is a top notch gal , she has and will teach me meny things, as i will continue to read everything she types. and gather info , as one day i will have my day .

and yes it wa so very hard to cut them , just after them bouncing back from root rot , and looking all sexy again , lol ahhhhhhh

so they read her her rights and told her to come to court for haveing the 1/2 gram .

just think ,

my right as a free American has been taken away by the very same people that we appointed to protect us .


so imma let the smoke clearn then imm go back at it .

and stich what was the out come of you being snitched on , if you dont mind shareing , just wondering what all went down . you can message it to if thats better .


thanks again guys and gals , stay safe , play it smart, and watch out for those sorry ass snitches, for they have no life and only find happness
in watching others struggle. sorry for babbling , im sure ill remember more and post again , lol , but for now its time to



also on a final note ( **** the police

 

[MynameStitch]

Dude, have you sent pics over your phone before? I bet if you did thats how they find out; you should never do that ever; it's a huge risk, I bet the NSA sent that shit to them; I bet you anything!!!!!!

Omg!!!! that is ****ing BULL SHIT Dude ****ing DEA man, if you can sue them I would do it and slam there asses in court.

Pieces of shit; man I thought when they rammed through my house it was bad.... those ****ers left no stone unturned and un tore lol dude I am sorry this shit had to happen, especially like you said so close to x-mas and you took all that time and money to get your gals fixed up
THat is the real kick in the balls right there.....


Sure, I will tell you what happened, We knew a dude for a while who was a dealer very small time dealed to friends only...... he got us into growing and he sold to get high pretty much.....

Well when we got into growing he even helped give us our first beans..... He would come to what we called a trim party and we would let him take a bit of it for the help.
we gave him enough for personal use only; he got his other stuff from somewhere else and kept our stuff to smoke.
Well he sold to someone who narced on him and he got raided in the morning; well the ****er came over to my house that day and I did not put 2 and 2 together till later on; by then it was 2 late and the pigs raided my house; they got awarrant based on what he said and the judge did not question his integrity.
The pigs hid all kinds of information from the judge, like he was busted that very day only 3 hours ago and he is getting let off by snitching on us.

The judge freaking supossedly put him under oath in a ****ing supply room closet!!!!!
THe judge asked him, do you believe the information on this to be true if so sign it.

So when we were fighting it in court the cop was called to testify and he claimed he could not remember if the judge asked him anything; this was clearly a violation of our rights; but because of one damn case law in our state; it allows a judge not to ask questions about the snitch; he does not have to credit him and ask him if he is credited.

This is a violation of our rights; right to judges not to rubberstamp for purpose of crime fighting.

Anyways; we got raided and they tore through my house and toke my computer and said; dude nice grow you got.
I am like good let me keep it lol

Then he got real smart with us cause we were not giving in to there bully tactics.....
They even threated to call child services on us ( thank god they were never called)

That ****er knew, we told him for years that if he ever snitched we could lose our kid; that cold hearted bastard had no remorse and even lied to my face when I confronted him; it stated on the warrant John doe said I sold weed blah blah blah; but they had NO proof whatso ever that we sold him anything; they went solely on his testimony that he seen our plants and it stated on there he was there 1 time in the last 30 days.... this whole case was so ****ed up. This shit would have gotten thrown out if we appealed it, let alone if we lived somewhere else it would have got thrown to the street.

So anyways while our house was getting raided that ****er was watching from afar in a sheriff car......

Damn cops roughed me up cause I would not give them shit; they asked about him too and I said I did not know what they were talking about; they tried to tell my mom that I told them she knew about it; and I said nothing of the sort to the pigs; so when I got up and said that was a lie and was very much outraged the one guy grabbed me by my arm and threw me down on the rock and I had bruises on my legs.
So recently the damn idiots destroyed my shit even though it was not being forfeited.
Destropyed all evidence without a court order; they destroyed all my family pics my whole lifes work with computers 9 years of data gone; they even took my scanner monitor and my back up cd with shit on it; speakers sub woofer even a damn extension cord and surge protector which was a lot of money. Lights that was not even hooked up and even took our WW2 sniper rifle.

All destroyed; so we are suing them for the cost of the stuff.
We did not have 10 grand to appeal it; so now we had a plea in the end and got almost 3 years probation and a felony;. We are getting it expunged after it's over with.

All that over a ****ing snitch...... Anyone seen that web site stop snitching?
If you ever find out who did snitch if someone did snitch you out; go to that site and post pics of them lol

If the DEA did get a call from there line.... and only 4 people knew about your grow.... did you have the 4 people accounted for who possibly could have ratted you out?
Despite all the high tech stuff out there; 99 times out of 100 it's a snitch; it's always a snitch. PIGS love snitches; it makes there job easier so they have more time to eat donuts; and get high off of seized pot.

The pigs that were raiding my house; 2 of them were talking about how dank my bogglegum was and how there were no seeds in the stuff..... the one guy goes dude shut your mouth now; also 1 oz of dank was never showed up on the evidence list but yet only less than 1 gram was found at the bottom of a curing jar lol

No wonder they have so many pockets on there swat pants!
What made matters very bad; the pig that pointed a gun at me while I Was asleep shot a state trooper just that same month weeks apart...... in a botched raid.

Came in opposite doors and mistook him for a perp!
But ya dude; someone most likely had to snitch; your friend who has a court case you should get all the info she/he has; you can start putting pieces of the puzzle together and find out how this shit happened then.

If you don't mind I would like to be kept up to date on this and find out what is going to happen with all this.......

 

[GreenBowlsmoker]

i will keep you informed ,

noone ratted on me per - say , my bestfriends girlfriend was ratted on . we ( think) they must have said so and so is growing and check out so and so also.
because if our phones where taped or they wsa looking at our messages or our pics , they would have came to our houses first. its all kinda wierd ,
anyone that knows she did grow 6 months ago knows that her boyfriend my buddy grows bigtime and if they snitched , why would the cops go to her house, she has only ever had 2 plants going at one time, and that was like 6 mionths ago. so we are still trying to figure things out .

its just a shame that a grown man or woman , who work full time jobs , who pay there tax's , who has never had any type of violent crime charged agents them , never been in a accident , never hurt anyone , cant grow in his wn home a flower and smoke in the privacy of his own home where it is affecting noone but the grown , able minded adult . how is that wrong .

as far as i know it every crime has to have a victim ,
so when you grow for personal use and you smoke it in you own home , who is the victim ?

 

[MynameStitch]

Dude that so sucks ass man; I will forever die hating snitches.......
That is a weird story there green, they had to have evidence to get a warrant; your friend should have asked many questions and asked for the bases of the warrant; when someone has called the hotline; lets say they did..... they would have to give them there name; or they would have to set up survaliance in order to get evidence of a crime is being commited.......
Ya, I am sure they rubber stamp like Bush has his head in the oil industry.... but still there has to be some kind of evidence weather it was real or fake......

You could easily start your search by getting the affidavit for a search warrant and your friend can request it if they did not give it to him.

Your girlfriend, well not your girlfriend but your friend who is a girl; she can get more access to anything considering she was the first one to get searched on.......
They are suposssed to leave an affidavit for a search warrant when they give you a search warrant.... that is if it's done legit. If it's not done legit they won't leave one; they did that to me and I know many others they have done this too.

So knowing the DEA and how them wankers work..... I am sure they got the shit illegally.

I would really love to know how they got this warrant.

Dude I so agree with you so fully more than 100% we don't hurt anyone, we just wan to live in peace and not bother anyone else and because they don't condone the things we do they want to try to shove all this crap law down so everyone has to follow there BS laws........ THat is how hippies wanted to be and they did not like them for there liberal outlook on life....... because of that they wanted to try to make them loook bad; they do this to growers by saying we cause fires and all kinds of other crime; when it is THEM who's fault it is;
If it was not illegal there would be no base for profit; they never learned with alcohol prohibition; al capone got rich as shit off moonshine.......

dealers make a lot of money selling the stuff; you take away it's illegal issue it's all over with, not profit involved.

No one hiding there grows unless you want to keep a low profile so no one will burgle your house.....

You take away the turf wars and the crime that is caused by this......
So they want to point the blame on us growers and make us look as bad as the dealers are.

Unless this government of ours who says we are so much free in this land is completely overhauled I don;'t see any changes being made period. If ron paul gets in.... we got a good foot in the door if he keeps his word.