wilting after first 12/12 is this normal ???

[GreenBowlsmoker]

everything was fine , i cleaned out my bubble buckets put new nutes in and set them for 12/12 , except that i never turned the digital timer on , so they got 16 hrs of light ,

so i asked people in the grow form if this would be ok , i was told they would be fine, but now they seam to be drooping quite a bit . the fan leaves arent perky like yesterday .

here is yesterday








and here is now

 

[MynameStitch]

How long were they in 12/12 for before this happened?

Do they droop before the light gets ready to go out? Do they droop most of the day? You check to make sure the air stones are not getting clogged? You check the color of the roots?

Ya, that is a droop caused by something else other than a lighting change....
something else is going on....

you check your water temps?

 

[Core]

did you put them from TL's under HPS?

 

[GreenBowlsmoker]

i had them on 18/6 and then put them on 12/12 but my timer wasent set to on , so there first night they got 16 1/2 hrs of light , before i noticed there was not a light on


also they never droprd before , they were nice and ridgid and very lively , then after they light came on i checked on them , they looked great seamd to grow a few inchs the night before .




all i did was clean out the buckets , added 2/2/2 of (GH ) per gallon . then i also added 2 tsp's of hydrogen peroxided per gal , to help with a tiny prob of root rot . made sure all stones are working ,


also they have been on hps there hole life . thanks guys and gals , this is very weird



im trying to give all the info i can . and i have to wait 4 hrs for light on .


could the h202 be doing this , yes only 2 tsp per gallon,, thanks
and at 12:05 i wil post some pic right after the light kicks on

 

[GreenBowlsmoker]

one lat thing , i did add the water in my buckets back up to the bottem of the net pot , because i could see a water line on the roots , abouve the water line the roots looked a bit Browish , and below was white as can be , so i figured id add more water to help the upper roots coming out of the pot,


im kinda worryed , they still look ok but the main fan leaves are still wilting , all new growth looks great , and 2 out of 4 still are perky, any idea's


nothing else has changed stitch , like i said yesterday they was doing great . think they are maybe just in shock from the 16hrs of light they got ??

 

[MynameStitch]

Normally you don't want to keep water up to the bottom of the net pot when you got big plants like that you wanna keep it a little below where the bubbles pop and keep it wet and moist.... this helps keep the medium from becoming saturated...... have you checked the medium the plant is sitting in to ensure it's not saturated?

Ya, it can stress it out, but normally not over one lighting period incident like that.....
You may have added too much h202, I have seen problems with them when you have added too much; too much can kill benifical bacteria; but since you added it for root rot.. how bad was the root rot?

I would have started them on 1 teaspoon per gallon.

I would change there buckets again and not put so much water close to the net pot.....
you using rockwool? If so check it to make sure it's not saturated, because it's acting like the roots are covered... and I am sure root rot is playing a role too depending on how bad it is.

 

[GreenBowlsmoker]

no wool , i use clay pebbles . also yea is say maybe the bottem half inch of the net pot is in the water , im going to do a compleate water change , 1 teaspoon per gal of h202 ,

stitch this what you put in my other post , lol

I would start at around 2 tsp per gallon and keep it at that for a bit. 3 % 2tsp

haha ill back it off a bit . and ill add pics of the roots , there just a bit browish, not nasty looking or anything , butnot pretty whtie with i cn tell the new roots are , thanks

 

[Stoned Cold]

Is it possible that the space between media and nutes was providing a delicate balance of O2 for optimal uptake? Maybe try using the same old 'waterline' that you previously referred to?


PS: I am a very inexperienced grower, who would rather learn from YOUR mistakes!.....


.......Holy crap; is that SIGGY material?

 

[MynameStitch]

Mother !*@&!*@&!*@&!*(& I should double check my damn posts, I am going to start reviewing all my posts cause I am so sick of my typos I make..... I meant to put 1 tsp per gallon.....

Depending on the severity, that can cause plants to droop; I am sure it's a combination of root rot and the water line being too high..... I never heard using wool as a medium; where you get it from?

With most of the top part of the roots being covered in too high line of water and root rot your plant has to be subjecting to low o2 levels......
the plant is drooping like it was near cut or has a wound and it's lacking water uptake; but since your in hydro this leads me to beleive it's the air the amount of air it's getting; it seems like it does not like the amount of o2 it's roots are getting.

The way it's drooped over and wilting is a sole sign it's getting too much water and not enough air.

considering some of the roots are covered in rot it's coating the roots causing them not to breath; this is how root rot kills plants quickly; + the bacteria it causes. The slime does not allow the plants to breath, so the rot has to be affecting the plants somewhat.

 

[GreenBowlsmoker]

lol stitch , no i was saying that i dont use rockwool and that i do use clay pebbles


as seen here , my root rot is from the pictures on your sick plant guide are very miner , just like a yellowish brown ill take pics right now and post them ,

 

[GreenBowlsmoker]

here are the roots , i dont think there that bad , but again this is my first time .














maybe u just care tooo much and jumped the gun on useing the h202. hummm

 

[MynameStitch]

Nope, your root rot is the sole cause; the entire tap root system is affected; the main tap roots the biggest one that supplies a lot of the o2 and nutrients to the plant; that is where your droopiness is coming from..... nope I did not jump the gun about the h202..... Even though I said it was a typo which it was, but using that amount would not completely kill it off....... it would halt it and help kill it off; it would do more good than bad......

I think sm90 kills root rot.......

but ya that is where your droopiness is coming from right there.

 

[GreenBowlsmoker]

im very sorry i swear i meant to say that( i ) jumped the gun ! lol sooo sorry , i am truly greatfull for every word that you type and trust every judgment you make i wasnt criticizing you at all .

so is this plant going to die , its the biggest i have , and sm-90 kill it , humm will only a hydro store carry this , or can i get it other places .

 

[MynameStitch]

lololol ahh ok, i was not mad at all even if you pointed it at me no worries there. Hey don't be afraid it's ok; if you don't take my advice that is up to you I am just here to give advice, I won't get mad if you don't want to take it cause there is many ways to grow a plant; not just the advice I give

Also you said you terilized your system, but when you do make sure you do this:

2. Sterilize equipment
All equipment should be disinfected (including hoses and pots, etc) with bleach solution or 10% h2o2 solution before plants are reintroduced into the system. Rinse well.

No your plant won't die I have seen them get worse and still live; just don't let it get any farther; I said to use it h202 slows it down a lot; but if the conditions for root rot are made no amount of hydroguard and h202 will kill it; you will need something to overpower it...... root rot smothers the roots if you can get rid of that root rot your plants will come back; think of it like the plant has some asthma issues right now lol

Not getting the full DO levels from it coating the roots.

You can also do this too

Add root rot medication. Add anti-pythium additives, Vitamin B1, and fresh nutrients to a sterilized reservoir at a lower strength, at cooler temps. Reduce light levels. After a week or so, after new roots appear, add some root boost additives.
THe damaged roots that have the worst won't heal which is why I said the reason why its drooping is the main tap roots are affected; you want to get rid of this very quickly, because those tap roots WIL NOT regen if it's damaged bad enough and then the whole plant will die.

You can give this a read if you like; this is one link telling you about root rot
Stay away from superthrive if you want to use stuff that has vitamin B1; superthrive and hydro DO NOT mix and coats and gunks up the system and roots then you add more trouble to mix.

http://www.drugs-forum.com/growfaq/1289.htm

beneficial bacteria colonize the root system, out-reproducing root disease organisms. Some additives may "feed" on decayed roots. Additives may be added during every tank change, except for H2o2 and Ridomil.

•H2O2 (See H2O2 FAQ) •Ridomil (1 app, systemic, toxic, 5 drops/gal).
•FloraShield (by GH) •Bio Bugs
Guardian angel (2.5-5 ml/gal) Bio Bran (rambridge.com, 11 enzymes)
Root Shield (americanagritech.com) Sm-90 (citrus extracts @ 2.5 ml/gal)
Hydro Shield (grotek.net) Pro-Silica (silicon, basic, up to 5 ml/gal)
Microkill (kills mold/fungus/mildew/algae) Pro-TeKt (silicon)
Canna-zyme (Canna, canna.com, 15 different enzymes) Power Active
ATAZYM (Atami) BN-ZYM (bio nova)
Zyme (Green Planet, 6-8ml/gal)
Others: Ascend/Fongarid/Consan 20)/Fosetyl-A1 (sold as Aliette)

 

[Guest]

Those are real good examples of root rot. for the sake of curiosity,. Do the roots smell rancid?also I see no algae growth in the pictures. Is algae in your system? Is normal green algae present in healthy hydro? Some algae turns when growth conditions are less than optimal.

 

[GreenBowlsmoker]

no i dont have any algee that i can see , i change my buckets every two weeks , there in 5 gal bucket's with air stones , no cycling water , , no reservoir. just a bucket and a air stone .


just a bucket and a air stone , there all separate buckets . i just got back from getting some sm-90 root system / foliar spray . im sorry i will read back thru but what else do i need , i saw a bottle called ( B-cuzz \ root )
but it said not to use with synthetics and the guy at the hydro store said that he beleaved that the sm-90 was a synthetic . they had ( flora shield ) there but it said it was just a washing solution . so i am going to give my plants a good cleaning and then a h202 dunk them add the new nutes and some sm-90 sound like a decent plan ???


also stitch , i fallow any advice you give me , and i thank you for you time more then you know . because of you i am learning so fast . not only when you help me but i read almost every post in here just to familiarize myself with problems and symptom's . so thank you .

 

[MynameStitch]

Thats cool; I am glad you are learning fast; that is what I want peeps to do; is learn.

Ya, that sounds like a perfect plan; they should go away now
I am not sure how often you use the sm90 or how often you use it....... with that tthough you can listen to the directions on the back of the bottle.

What temps was your water at in the bucket?

 

[dre86]

here are the roots , i dont think there that bad , but again this is my first time .

What colour the roots should have ? The darker parts have root rot? They have to be entirely white?

 

[MynameStitch]

Ya, the dark part the brownish color is the root rot; if it was nutrient related the entire roots would be all the same color. Nutrients can stain the roots; but in this case this is clearly root rot; roots should be pearly white; not brown.

 

[GreenBowlsmoker]

my water temps are around 74 deg f .

back of bottle says ,

in hydroponic systems

apply 2-3 ml of sm-90 to each gallon or nutrient solution on a weekly basis or whenever solutions are replaced .

1 part sm-90 with 5 parts water for foliar spray , use every three days .


and this is what you gave me to read

Emergency Treatment:

1. Hydrogen Peroxide root dunk
-Remove each plant from system, snip off diseased roots.
-Dip/swish each plant and container into a strong H2O2 solution, until diseased roots have been removed. Repeat as required.

2. Sterilize equipment
All equipment should be disinfected (including hoses and pots, etc) with bleach solution or 10% h2o2 solution before plants are reintroduced into the system. Rinse well.

3. Add root rot medication. Add anti-pythium additives, Vitamin B1, and fresh nutrients to a sterilized reservoir at a lower strength, at cooler temps. Reduce light levels. After a week or so, after new roots appear, add some root boost additives.




how much h202 do you think i should put in a gallon of water to use for the (cleansing dunk ) ???

also can i change the title of this post to something with root rot in it ?? to maybe help others to avoid and get a look of to watch out for ??


im heading over to do the cleaning dunk and all , im glad he has internet there and i can check back to see the great info left ,


just saw this ,


#2 Keep reservoir / root zone temps low: 62-65F.(Note: submerged pumps will increase water temperature)


how can i keep my buckets cooler , hummmm


also should i cut off the bigger roots that are infected , or just treat them , i feel weird about cutting roots .