Willie Nelson test gro

[krazay]

just a small grow.. i bought 12 willie beans and i'm finally moving out of my parents home into a 1bdrm suite to go to school in about 20 days.

I'm only going to do 2 beans of willie nelson because #1 there wont be more than 1-2 ounces final product because space/smell will be a big issue #2 i want to save them to do them all out in about 6 months from now when i have my own place all to myself with no boundarys.

I thought about DWC but the bubblers can get noisy so i'm just going to buy 1-2 of those 42 watt= 150 watt cfls.. should i count them as 42 watt or 150? and buy some peat moss soil and use miracle gro or a hydro shop liquid fert.

i'm going to make everything up as i go along.. maybe i'll do a scrog but these are pure sativas so we'll see.. Also i bought NL x Big Bud, Skunk 1, hindu kush, AK48, white rhino, ICE from nirvana off seedbay yesterday so whatever freebies i get i'll probably throw them in with the willies.


right now there both floating in the cup still!!

 

[Guest]

If space is a issue you better not veg longer than a week or two. Willie stretches like a MF!

 

[krazay]

ya its going to be in a closet so heightwise should be no prob. i'll only veg for 2 weeks shorter the better =)

 

[ZeusOGrefugee]

Whats up man? Nice soundin deal u got there, but if I may...Germ more than 2 seeds to start, what if u get 2 males???trust me, better off gettin 1 femme than none, just helps ur %...If ur usin CFL's only, I would tie those babies down from the get go and top them, as to get the most even canopy possible for the cfl's...they DO NOT penetrate lower than the tops, so u def need some help with the canopy...Its hard to scrog from seed cause of the sex issue, but LST should do u fine...put in some mylar or somethin for reflection, and keep the lights @ a 90degree angle, as to get the best lite dispersion...Thats about it..OH, and watch out with those peat moss soil mixes, they can burn ur MJ very easily. Also, I wouldnt recommend MG nutes, but thats just me. If u go with them, use low doses and flush really well once a week, that stuff has alot of salts and metals, etc...they build up real fast. Ill be here for sure, cause I am very interested in that Willie, I hear its the shiznit. Peace, and good luck man....KISS, remember!!!

- Z

 

[krazay]

hey zeus that was a helpful post. i'll use poly or something for reflection. i was planning on just using plain peat moss no mixes and then just adding liquid ferts. only reason i say MG nutes is cause its cheap + I saw Lougrews giant outdoor and he said thats what he used, half dose for veg double for flower.

Reason i was just doin 2 seeds is because well i don't want to put all my seeds in one basket lol. if i got 2 males then so be it 2 less males to grow out from the rest. I wanted to save most seeds because Reef said theres one specific pheno you should look for out of the 12 seeds. If i get that pheno and i clone these i don't know if i will be able to carry them around until i have a permanent place for them.

maybe i'll put another 2 in the cup to soak? these 2 are still floating

 

[ZeusOGrefugee]

Hey dude, I hear what ur sayin about findin that special pheno, but the chances ull find her in YOUR pack of seeds is fairly unlikely...Im no expert, but I think u can get 1 "special" pheno from like 3 packs of seeds if ur lucky....but go for it, maybe luck will be on ur side..LOL...Just have fun with it, if u wanna only grow out 2, then so be it...Peace

- Z

 

[GDB]

hey zeus that was a helpful post. i'll use poly or something for reflection. i was planning on just using plain peat moss no mixes and then just adding liquid ferts. only reason i say MG nutes is cause its cheap + I saw Lougrews giant outdoor and he said thats what he used, half dose for veg double for flower.

Reason i was just doin 2 seeds is because well i don't want to put all my seeds in one basket lol. if i got 2 males then so be it 2 less males to grow out from the rest. I wanted to save most seeds because Reef said theres one specific pheno you should look for out of the 12 seeds. If i get that pheno and i clone these i don't know if i will be able to carry them around until i have a permanent place for them.

maybe i'll put another 2 in the cup to soak? these 2 are still floating

Straight peat moss isn't the most ideal medium to use (read the label) it will work as a base for your mix. Just don't forget to add in some perlite(1/2-1/3rd ratio) and worm castings if you can find them. Along with the chemical/MG ferts. you should add some epsom salts to help buffer the pH and nutrients. Try to let the roots get as dry as possible between waterings since you are using peat. Chemical nutes will work just be sure to use plain water between doses so you don't fry the babies.

Don't forget that you could end up with 2 males so starting more seeds and sexing will give you the opportunity to harvest sooner. Keep your fingers crossed and you just might get two females. A little TLC goes a long way with these babies.

 

[krazay]

hmm peat and perlite 50/50 that sounds good to me, whats the benefit of perlite and worm castings?? just drainage?
how does a mix like this look like even:
40% castings
30% perlite
30% vermiculite

One time i cloned in peat pellets and then put a bunch of rocks in a net pot and put the peat pellet clone in there and hooked a bubbler up and poured in some veg nutes and it grew for 2 months like crazy. is it safe to use peat pellets instead of rockwool for a small scale grow?

I put one more seed in the cup so that makes 3 in total and they are all sitting at the bottom now

now i'm going to put the 3 in peat pellets pointy end down and put the smallest cfl i can find beside them to keep them a little bit warmer

 

[GDB]

hmm peat and perlite 50/50 that sounds good to me, whats the benefit of perlite and worm castings?? just drainage?
how does a mix like this look like even:
40% castings
30% perlite
30% vermiculite

One time i cloned in peat pellets and then put a bunch of rocks in a net pot and put the peat pellet clone in there and hooked a bubbler up and poured in some veg nutes and it grew for 2 months like crazy. is it safe to use peat pellets instead of rockwool for a small scale grow?

I put one more seed in the cup so that makes 3 in total and they are all sitting at the bottom now

now i'm going to put the 3 in peat pellets pointy end down and put the smallest cfl i can find beside them to keep them a little bit warmer

WARNING! That is a fire-hazard not to mention an easy way to break your CFL. Germinate these in the corner of your closet if you need to be covert, a shoebox is just asking for trouble. Not to mention the shoebox will "wick" all the water out of those peat pots and who knows what kind of bacteria or fungus that soggy paper will promote, not to mention the temp getting too hot in there and killing them.

Please don't use vermiculite unless you know how to handle it properly and are aware of the health risks associated. Always keep it wet whenever handling and do not inhale any dust or particles. Other than that it is pretty good stuff for water retention and to help balance out the pH when using Peat.

My old soilless mixes always consisted of 1/3rd peat, perlite, vermiculite, and worm castings added to taste. I've yet to see any issues with 1/2-1/3rd perlite and I feel better knowing I'm not risking my health breathing in those particles.

Perlite helps with drainage and aeration so the soil doesn't become compacted or waterlogged.
Worm castings are a great source of readily available N and lots of micros, I wouldn't grow in soil without them, seaweed, and guanos.

You can get by with peat moss and peat pellets especially as a starter (jiffy pots, seed starters, etc.) Since most of your root mass was growing into the net pot and inside the bubbler it wouldn't cause any issues. When using peat moss as your base medium for soil it can cause pH swings which will in turn lock up some nutrients. Heck we used to rip/cut out any old rockwool still left around the plants just to avoid issues.

Above all just be safe and remember that this isn't rocket science. Please try to utilize a little common sense folks, not just for your own benefit but the entire community at large.

 

[krazay]

lol ok ok. i'll put some plastic underneath the peat pellets just until they germ then i'll use a rubbermaid or larger cardboard box.. i have 18 days until i can make a cab for them. i have a little blower and lots of 150w/400w/1000w hps but i don't think i could get away with 400-1000 because of bud smell/power consumption

i'll just use 1/3 peat 1/3 perlite 1/3 worm castings to keep it simple

 

[GDB]

Have you tried the paper towel method then using the pellets? I was just posting in another thread about using those pellets back in the day (stone age technology). Did you squeeze the excess moisture out of them? If not just grip around each one and squeeze gently - this will not hinder any root development or harm the seedling. It always was an important step so the initial growth didn't hinder and allowed for many successful batches, nothing worse than soggy peat pots.

150W is great for vegging, I recommend wiring your own ballast + socket and getting to use the larger MOGUL base 150W and not those little medium base bulbs(eck). You can easily change all your bulbs to CFL and merit the consumption of a 400W or even the 1000W(gutsy?). The smell is also something you can handle easily especially for a do it yourself kind of person.

That mix should give you good growth and a quick wet-dry cycle. Don't forget to use some liquified seaweed at low dosages between feeding cycles, that stuff is amazing! Look around for some peruvian seabird guano - it's great for veg at low doses.

Let us know how it goes man proper vibes your way!

 

[krazay]

kk thanks =)
i tried the paper towel method once i found it just as easy as letting the seeds soak ina mug then putting them in peat pellets. yes i did squeeze the excess moisture when they are really soggy they don't get enough air and i heard the seeds can suffocate easy.

i just want all 3 to pop up! i can wire my own ballast with a little experimenting i just get confused which 120v + com wire goes to the plug and which which other 2 go to the light. if i do hps i need to know how to mount them properly! i don't want to get too advanced i just want to do it safe and my goal for yield is 2 ounces.

cfl buds get airy dont they? hps make them denser..

anyway thanks for the help GDB i'll have some lanky dank cola pics in about 4 months!!!! long wait but i know it will be well worth it for this stuff.

 

[Guest]

your gonna like that willie nelson
reefermans genetics are top notch.

the soil mix i use is promix with 20% perlite and dolomite lime. its just my mix, those guano mixes that were recommended are great also. Your going to want to add dolomite to the soil unless your using a cal/mag supplement. o ya, someone alrady mentioned but peat moss could cause ph swings, so take that into consideration.
gl

 

[krazay]

lots of new ideas for me here.. the most effort i ever put into a soil grow was sunshine mix #4 watered with hydro nutes

i dug through the stash and found a good 150w hps ballast and bulb the bulb is dirty.. i found some hydro vegging nutes that are unused but about a year old, those will work instead of miracle grow wont they??

its going to be summer is a 150w or even 400w going to make the room i sleep in super hot? i really don't want that

 

[green_grow]

i hope you dont use cardboard in your grow . it's just asking for trouble.

 

[GDB]

lots of new ideas for me here.. the most effort i ever put into a soil grow was sunshine mix #4 watered with hydro nutes

i dug through the stash and found a good 150w hps ballast and bulb the bulb is dirty.. i found some hydro vegging nutes that are unused but about a year old, those will work instead of miracle grow wont they??

its going to be summer is a 150w or even 400w going to make the room i sleep in super hot? i really don't want that

You can clean your bulb with windex just let it dry completely before turning on.

Using old hydro nutes all depends on how they've been stored. Smell em to see if they have any "bad" odors if they do I would recommend chucking them. You don't want to use any nutes that have turned bad. I store mine in multiple rubbermaid containers and make sure they never get exposed to sunlight and stay at room temp. Nutrients that have been stored poorly will give poor results. Obviously there are types/kinds of nutes that will never go bad or turn, chemical ones are often stored poorly and used years later with no adverse results.

I'd stay away from miracle grow if you can, that stuff has bad karma.