Will these seedlings make it? (pics included)

[DarthFader1]

^^^ Man whatever aye, this is why i never frequent these boards anymore and to be honest i didn't even want to post this thread because i already kinda knew the outcome.

I've already said this about 4 or 5 times but i highly doubt its a hot mix. Reasons i say that is because ive used exact same mix many times both for seed and clones and never had any problems.

Gee sorry that i have a bad attitude but there is so much dangerous and quite frankly bullshit advice handed out on these boards im very defensive over who i listen too, especially from new accounts with no history or even evidence they can grow.

Don't wana argue let's just see if these seedlings turn around... If it is indeed a hot mix and the new growth starts to burn i WILL eat humble pie and report those findings.

Just need to wait another week or 2 i guess and we shall see

 

[DarthFader1]

See these seedlings, exact same soil mix same conditions same everything and they turned out perfect just like all my others.

 

[aridbud]

Ok, won't say anything more....first pics appeared to look shell shocked.

Good luck!

 

[DarthFader1]

Please do say more Aridbud.. What do you mean by "shell shocked?" I really don't understand what that word means in relation to these seedlings..

The main reason i started this thread was to ask peeps if these seedlings would actually grow or not? Ive never had this happen and don't want to F around for another couple weeks only to find out they were doomed. But in my mind if they WERE going to die they would have already by now and not restarted green growth?? There are zero leaf tips burnt the leaves that looked fried got that way by starting out drooping, then yellowing, then brown spots and finally necrosis. Now all my researching this has told me this happens because of lack of oxygen to the roots due to overwatering. Since backing off the watering 6 days ago the leaves have started SLOWLY regrowing so that surely has to be overwatering right??

The new growth is definitely a normal green (despite the bad pics which may be misleading).

Please don't get me wrong i do appreciate people commenting it's just this problem is really crushing my soul and my confidence in growing

best regards
darth

 

[exploziv]

Well same mix could act differently if you pour too much water constanly into it and lots of minerals get available all at the same time. Then, too much water can slighly affect ph so that in turn can affect nutrient absorbtion by the roots. Time will probably tell if it was just the overwatering or the mix is hot too.

But you shouldn't lose hope. They really have good chances of coming back. Cannabis is such a wonderful plant that will take lots of abuse before quitting.

 

[DarthFader1]

Well same mix could act differently if you pour too much water constanly into it and lots of minerals get available all at the same time. Then, too much water can slighly affect ph so that in turn can affect nutrient absorbtion by the roots. Time will probably tell if it was just the overwatering or the mix is hot too.

But you shouldn't lose hope. They really have good chances of coming back. Cannabis is such a wonderful plant that will take lots of abuse before quitting.

I agree explosiv with your post and i do appreciate your thoughts. They do seem on the mend its just happening extremely slow right now.

I will 100% be back with updates (good or bad) because its important for other people in the future that may have these same problems to see the outcome.

Im extremely interested to see how these end up.. to say the least

thanks again
darth

 

[Dropped Cat]

I hope your damaged seedlings recover, seeds are not cheap.

Possibly a contamination from an oversight in process,
as clearly, your other batch is okay.

Does anyone else have access to the grow, and helped you
out, with good intentions and poor results.

Here's a link of mine to a recovered seedling:

https://www.icmag.com/ic/showpost.php?p=7253386&postcount=229

These plants can bounce back, good luck!

 

[Granger2]

Is there anything you can think of that you did or used that is different from the good batch you pictured? Same brand of soil, etc.? What brand of soil is it? It is possible that the same brand can vary, like if it wasn't mixed thoroughly or something. Are you watering to approx. 20% runoff? What's your water like? Is it the same water?

If you make ACT with just MO and EWC the nutes won't be enough to burn, but as you said, it doesn't look like burn since your new growth isn't burned. Use the simple recipe for ACT, like 5 gal water, no more than 1/2 to 1 TBL of MO/gal, 1 cup to 1.5 cup EWC/5 gal water. Brew till pH is no more than 7.0. Water to runoff.

Spend $10 on a soil probe moisture meter [vs $600 genetics], and stick it into the medium, checking at different depths. If you make good ACT you won't have root rot organisms causing problems cuzza the mass numbers of aerobic organisms in the ACT that will be antagonistic to bad critters. No other feed for 10-14 days or till you have a healthy growth spurt.

Overwatering is caused by keeping the medium/roots too wet all the time, not from adding too much water at a time, as long as your pots/bags have drainage holes.

I think you are much better off to save these than to start over. This will be a learning experience. You might start more seeds only to have the same problems. Learn while you earn. lol Please do keep us informed, regardless of outcome. Good luck. -granger

 

[DarthFader1]

Hey guys,

Thanks Granger & Dropped Cat for the positive vibes i really appreciate it

Im going to give a detailed explanation and reasoning as to the conclusion of this just simply to document this problem to hopefully help others in the future.

Well im sad to say im going to scrap these seedlings and start over.. As Explosiv quite rightly noted the new growth (one tiny leaf) was in fact slightly yellow, and at day 24 now even though they are alive and still growing (albeit extremely slowly) i just don't want to commit to a full run with this terrible start i had.

Granger the brand of soil is country specific and its one i used in the past a lot. Its a peat based medium with EWC, perlite, lime, and some other stuff. When i bought this soil the first thing i noticed when i picked up a bag was how incredibly HEAVY it was. Im talking like nearly twice as heavy as it usually is and i have bought many hundreds of bags of this dirt. The manufacturers of this soil had clearly changed the mix and what i think they did was add a large sand component to it that was never there before, as well as who knows that else. It was extremely wet and when i screened it there was zero wastage as compared to the usual 20% of bullshit bark and other stuff that gets taken out. Oh man if i could wheel kick the maggots teeth out that changed this soil i would happily do so.

To compound the problem further i cut this mix straight out of the bag with 30% canna coco to dull down the EC a bit as i know its quite a hot mix. I had gotten away with that in the past so i figured hey lets just stick to what works. So the heaviness of this mix then adding coco im pretty sure it destroyed the aeration levels in the dirt then when i overwatered it just compounded problems further. It ALSO might have been an even hotter mix than usual too and of course my fucking expensive bluelab combo meter just dies on me for no reason at the exact same time so i cannot even check the EC & Ph of the soil. FML.

It ended up being a very expensive mistake as i not only lost all those Rare dankness genetics but i had also mixed up over a 100gallons of dirt ready to transplant into. With these problems i have lost all confidence in that soil i bought so have just scrapped everything and am starting over.

There is another local organic potting mix that i will go back to, and i already have ordered 3 new packs of RD genetics which are on their way now. For any RD fans i ordered Rugburn, Venom OG, and Night Terror OG which is blue dream x RD1.

I understand i could have perservered but for me in a non med situation it's just not worth the time & risk to try and recover this situation, id rather just cut my losses and start over. I did give them plenty of time to recover but honestly i think they were totally doomed because of that soil mix / overwatering. They were still the exact same size at day 24 as they were at day 6. Just totally stunted and miserable. I actually think now the real problem was infact the soil was too hot and/or too dense, but the other issues i mentioned certainly didn't help either.

So, the next step while im waiting for new seeds is to try a couple of proper seedling mixes with some bag seeds i have and see how they respond before i try again with expensive genetics. The only problem is the seedling mixes i have seen locally had BAD fungas gnat issues because of bark fines in the mix. This really just complicates matters even further and is the reason ive never used seedling mixes.

I would love to make my own custom seedling mix but i just cannot deal with any more total crop losses like this again, so im very wary about trying this.

One mix i was considering was a simple canna coco mix cut with 30% perlite and EWC and lime. But who the fuck knows how that will work and like i said i don't have my bluelab to test any soil at the moment. Again FML.

If anyone can recommend any custom seedling mixes that are reliable and proven please mention them here for everyones benefit in the future.

Sorry for the mills & boon novel i just wanted to give as much info as possible.

Cannot believe this has happened i consider myself a fairly advanced grower and yet i made a total newbie mistake.

Live and learn, thats what i'll do.

darth

 

[DarthFader1]

What about using LC's mix1. I cannot get hold of pure peat on its own but i can get canna coco.

So what about, 5 parts coco, 3 parts perlite, 2 parts EWC with dolomite lime added. The only problem with this i forsee is the Ph being too high?

This really shouldn't be so difficult man oh man

 

[DarthFader1]

That was really horrible today ripping up all those seedlings (((

I inspected every rootball as i did so and all the roots were clear white, with zero dry pockets, perfect moisture levels.. it all looked normal except for the actual plants themselves. I really don't think they would have recovered and now i don't even think overwatering was even the problem.

Could have been a bad batch of dirt? too hot?? But on the new leaf growth the tips of the leaves were NOT burnt at all. Might have been a simple case of not enough oxygen in the mix???

I just duno, but i gave them more than enough time to recover and they were not doing jack shit so i made a tough decision and just killed them all.

Tomorrow im going to mix up 3 different NEW seedling mixes and germinate the afghan freebies i have and grow them out for a couple weeks until i know for 100% that these mixes will work as they should.

I'll document it all here so we can hopefully learn something.

Peace
Darth

 

[exploziv]

Such a shame you killed them. You could have let them near a window or under a flourescent tube and see if they survive while doing whatever you wanted to do in the growspace. But I guess you know better, so good luck.

 

[Tulku]

Such a shame you killed them. You could have let them near a window or under a flourescent tube and see if they survive while doing whatever you wanted to do in the growspace. But I guess you know better, so good luck.

 

[DarthFader1]

Such a shame you killed them. You could have let them near a window or under a flourescent tube and see if they survive while doing whatever you wanted to do in the growspace. But I guess you know better, so good luck.

Trust me i fully hear what your saying but honestly i gave them like 10 days since those original photos were taken and they weren't doing anything. I know you said 2-3 weeks but IMHO if they were going to start recovering and actually growing 10 days was plenty, but maybe im wrong.

I think you were right exploziv i really believe it was the soil now that just stalled them.

Putting them on a windowsill lol isn't really an option unfortunately, for a few different reasons.

It cost me about a grand this debacle so believe me when i say i did not make that decision to kill lightly. But it was day 24 man and they were taking the piss hard. I could not abide by that taking the chance on another 3 months grow time with potentially a doomed grow from bad soil.

In the words of The Terminator though, i'll be back! Just mixed up a new seedling mix tonight

Organic Potting Mix (different brand that is lighter mix) 2 parts
Canna coco 2 parts
Perlite 1 part
EWC 10% of ^^ above volume
Dolomite lime at very conservative rate as i know Organic potting mix already has some.

Ive used this exact mix before for seeds with excellent results. Am going to germinate the afghani freebies first to be safe and grow them out to about 12 days to make sure everything is healthy.

hope everyone is having better luck with their crops
darth

 

[Granger2]

I've done a couple of batches of seed lately, and tried Jiffy Seed Starter Mix with good success. It is necessary to use a wetting agent though to get it to hydrate. I used CocoWet.
Worked great. No damping off. Inoculated right away with OGBioWar Foliar and Root. Good luck. -granger

 

[DarthFader1]

Hey guys,

Started a new batch of seeds im at day 23 now and most plants are approx 1 foot high lol. I could post a pic but really what is the point..

The soil was 100% the problem not overwatering.

Thanks Granger and others for your time i really appreciated it; im sure you guys must know how it feels to have an entire crop turn to custard on you at least one time

Stay tuned for plant reports coming soon im running a whole bunch of RD gear that absolutely stinks 24 days into just veg!

thnks again
darth