Will these seedlings make it? (pics included)

[DarthFader1]

Hi Guys,

Will this is an embarassing predicament to be in.

I had not worked with seeds in a very long time (just clones) and i sprouted a whole bunch of rare dankness gear 20 days ago.

The seeds germinated and were going very well up until around day 7 when they just stopped growing. I had overwatered very badly, but since last Thursday i realised the mistake i had been making and backed right off the watering and allowed a decent dry period between each watering.

Now, as can be seen the new growth is much better but those tiny new leaves have taken like 6 days to grow and everything is extremely stunted and quite frankly just awful.

Are these seedlings going to make it and start growing normally?? Or should i just scrap them and move on (especially if they won't ever grow properly id rather just start again). With that in mind this is about $600 of genetics and ive already wasted 3 weeks with them.

I've been giving them some rhizotonic and cannazym since i realised i was overwatering but they're just soooooo slow!!

Please do NOT comment if you're a noob (even though i made a noob mistake i need advice from peeps that know better)

thanks in advance
darth

 

[DarthFader1]

Another important note, i sacrificed one last night in the name of research and pulled it out to inspect the root system to check for any signs of root rot.

The root system whilst very underdeveloped was bright white with ZERO signs of rot. WTF??? Is it just they take a long time to recover after approx 2 weeks of overwatering?

Usually by this stage (20 days) i have full grown seedlings ready to transplant into 3 gallons.

This sucks (((

darth

 

[j_hold420]

They'll be fine if you stop watering so much. They are in too big of containers. However, instead of transplanting them into smaller containers, they'll be fine if you stop watering so much. Let the soil get really dry between waterings until they've gotten bigger. It's easy to overwater in large containers plus, growbags don't have the best drainage.

 

[exploziv]

They have good chances of surviving if you fixed the problem, but it will take a long time. Most probably longer than if you started others right now and treated them well.
Hopefully your mix is not too nutrient packed for the young seedlings. Cause that could delay and put them at risk even more.
Btw, next time you plant seed, use smaller containers. Much easier to keep them happy in small cups, especially regarding proper waterings.

Check if they need water by inserting your finger deep into the soil, since the pots are so big compared to the plants they might have too much water even when the surface soil seems very dry. Or you can compare them by weight (by taking the pots into your hands) to a pot filled with same soil mix that is on the dry side.

Good luck with them. If you aren't in a hurry I'd keep them. Once they start growing they will be ok.

 

[corky1968]

I've said this time and time again.

Plant seeds in good potting soil and don't feed them until they make
their 3rd set of leaves and/or have been growing for at least 2 weeks.

Good potting soil is all you need to start with.
Too many people start feeding their babies too
early and burn them.

For the next two weeks only give them pH balanced water and pray for the best.

P.S. I have burnt plants when I 1st started out over a decade ago.
Now I don't feed early and haven't burned any leaves for a long time.

Good Luck.

 

[DarthFader1]

They'll be fine if you stop watering so much. They are in too big of containers. However, instead of transplanting them into smaller containers, they'll be fine if you stop watering so much. Let the soil get really dry between waterings until they've gotten bigger. It's easy to overwater in large containers plus, growbags don't have the best drainage.

Oh they're in too bigger of container are they???

These are 0.5L plastic grow bags (the perfect size for starting clones and seeds in as i have done numerous times perfectly in the past).

No shit i need to let the soil dry out, thats what ive been doing since last Thursday there's already been 2 wet and dry cycles since then and basically zero growth except one tiny leaf.

Thanks for your input, i guess

 

[exploziv]

That's not a nice way to respond to a guy that tried to help you, I guess.

 

[DarthFader1]

I've said this time and time again.

Plant seeds in good potting soil and don't feed them until they make
their 3rd set of leaves and/or have been growing for at least 2 weeks.

Good potting soil is all you need to start with.
Too many people start feeding their babies too
early and burn them.

For the next two weeks only give them pH balanced water and pray for the best.

Good Luck.

Bro where did it say ive fed these? Because i haven't.. Just Ph'ed balanced water since day zero with the rhizotonic since last week to help recover an overwatered root system.

The cotyledon's have died off because of overwatering, not overfeeding of any kind.

My question is this, it's day 20 now and these are basically 2 weeks behind.. Are they going to ever grow properly again? It's already been 6 days since i backed off the watering and they're just so slow

 

[DarthFader1]

That's not a nice way to respond to a guy that tried to help you, I guess.

Hi i note my tone isn't exactly patient but i did say no noob comments because i don't need noobs telling me stuff i already know.

I know i overwatered, i know this. My question is will these recover and start growing properly given it is day 20 today.

thanks
darth

 

[corky1968]

Bro where did it say ive fed these? Because i haven't.. Just Ph'ed balanced water since day zero with the rhizotonic since last week to help recover an overwatered root system.

The cotyledon's have died off because of overwatering, not overfeeding of any kind.

My question is this, it's day 20 now and these are basically 2 weeks behind.. Are they going to ever grow properly again? It's already been 6 days since i backed off the watering and they're just so slow

Well those leaves sure look burnt to me.

They are only tiny seedlings. Do they really need rhizotonic and cannazym?

Sorry if I upset you.

 

[sourpuss]

Stunt 101 haha... gggggggeee unit haha.....

Just fuckin around..... thought a little smiles would help looks like shit.... shit happens... new growth looks fine. Killin the old growth and starting new shoots is like starting over again but already has a root system. Id expect quick growth once it recovers from stress and is catching more energy...

Nice fade darthfader

 

[DarthFader1]

They have good chances of surviving if you fixed the problem, but it will take a long time. Most probably longer than if you started others right now and treated them well.
Hopefully your mix is not too nutrient packed for the young seedlings. Cause that could delay and put them at risk even more.
Btw, next time you plant seed, use smaller containers. Much easier to keep them happy in small cups, especially regarding proper waterings.

Check if they need water by inserting your finger deep into the soil, since the pots are so big compared to the plants they might have too much water even when the surface soil seems very dry. Or you can compare them by weight (by taking the pots into your hands) to a pot filled with same soil mix that is on the dry side.

Good luck with them. If you aren't in a hurry I'd keep them. Once they start growing they will be ok.

Thankyou mate, and apologies for my grumpy response.

I do use the lift and weight method and ive got my watering back on point. However as can be seen they were badly stalled for the best part of a fortnight.

Im not really in a hurry so would much rather keep them and wait it out, i just needed to know they will eventually recover.

I guess now its just a case of waiting for the root system to develop more but how long will this take?

many thanks
darth

 

[DarthFader1]

Stunt 101 haha... gggggggeee unit haha.....

Just fuckin around..... thought a little smiles would help looks like shit.... shit happens... new growth looks fine. Killin the old growth and starting new shoots is like starting over again but already has a root system. Id expect quick growth once it recovers from stress and is catching more energy...

Nice fade darthfader

Lol sourpuss, loving the gggggeee unit call hahaha

Yeah i fucked these up badly, but new growth is much better since backing off the watering. Im happy to wait if these will recover. Your thoughts are bang on what i was thinking, basically starting again from zero since those first leaves were killed off.

It's just taking forever yo

cheers
darth

 

[exploziv]

2-3 weeks till they'll look happy and normal, I'd say. That's if, as I said, the mix is not too hot.

 

[DarthFader1]

Well those leaves sure look burnt to me.

They are only tiny seedlings. Do they really need rhizotonic and cannazym?

Sorry if I upset you.

Hi Corky nah u didn't upset me bro im just a little touchy today because of these problems and no bud lol

Yeah of course normally i would never give them rhizo and zym but it was literally just a response to the bad overwatering and stalling that had occured.

Usually im just straight into good potting mix cut with 30% coco veg for 20 days and transplant into 3 gallons, so i get what you're saying and i totally agree

thanks
darth

 

[DarthFader1]

2-3 weeks till they'll look happy and normal, I'd say. That's if, as I said, the mix is not too hot.

Thanks Explosiv,

Im fairly certain the mix isn't too hot its the same mix i have used many times in the past and i cut it with 30% canna coco to dull it down a bit.

The "burnt appearance" on the leaves was fully from overwatering not overferting. This can be backed up by observing the new growth which has reverted back to normal green growth since backing off the watering.

If the mix was too hot (and correct me if im wrong) the new leaves would also be burning and not showing signs of recovery

darth

 

[exploziv]

If mix were to be too hot then the new leaves would be at first yellowish instead of the regular healthy green. And yours look like that in the pics. Now dunno if it's cause of the camera and lighting conditions while taking the pic.

 

[DarthFader1]

I actually cannot believe these didn't die especially the one's with the badly burnt leaves, tough little sob's.

Thanks for the responses i was/am really starting to lose heart that these will recover because like i said they are just so badly stalled and stunted at day 20.

I feel like such an idiot for making this basic mistake when i have been doing this for some time now.

I guess i will wait it out and will definitely post updates in the next week or two hopefully with some good news

darth

 

[DarthFader1]

If mix were to be too hot then the new leaves would be at first yellowish instead of the regular healthy green. And yours look like that in the pics. Now dunno if it's cause of the camera and lighting conditions while taking the pic.

The new growth is definitely green it's just my crappy camera skills and lighting conditions.

When they were overwatered at the start the leaves did the classic drooping, then yellowing, then brown spots on the leaves which finally led to the first set of true leaves on some of the seedling completely dying off.

Im like 99% sure this mix isn't too hot but i guess time will tell

I'll be sure to update

darth

 

[aridbud]

Good luck, Darth...attitudes like you exhibit...you'll get less folks to WANT to help you.

Clearly you are doing something wrong...looks to me too "hot" a mixture.