why don't most scrog?

[vindiesel]

??? if it supposedely gives u best yield and nice screen of buds, why do u see more grows not scrog, and just regular...? i would like to scrog on my upcoming first....not sure though. 5 cubic foot, 250W CMH. bogglegum and/or ice cream...

 

[Smoking Gun]

SCROG, low stress training, tying down, supercropping, and any other method of training takes some extra time and effort. It can also take some extra time, as you have to give plants time to recover and react from the training. Some people would rather not put the effort and time into such methods. Also, not every strain will yield bigger in a SCROG method, but you will always get more top cola's and therefore better quality herb. There are lots of reasons, these are just a few I could think of off the top of my head.

 

[ethereal]

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because they choose to turn a blind eye to the benefits of a net/screen.
there is a stigma especially amongst vets that scrog is only for micro-grows.
that by using a screen they are somehow less skilled as a grower.
could also be that they feel that it doesnt even apply to them, as its mostly seen in micro/closet grows.
this is plain ol' ignorance IMHO. sometimes its hard to teach an old dog new tricks thogh. hope this helps

 

[ethereal]

SCROG, low stress training, tying down, supercropping, and any other method of training takes some extra time and effort. It can also take some extra time, as you have to give plants time to recover and react from the training. Some people would rather not put the effort and time into such methods. Also, not every strain will yield bigger in a SCROG method, but you will always get more top cola's and therefore better quality herb. There are lots of reasons, these are just a few I could think of off the top of my head.

youre basically just saying that most growers S.O.G. then. no/short veg and right into flower. yeah. a lot do. a lot are just ignorant either knowingly turn a blind eye, or havent even contemplated incorporating it because of the stigma S.C.R.O.G. has amongst the greater (1kw+) growing public.

 

[Natural]

I have used a scrog before and I prefer just training them.
I've calculated the yeild between 2 different crops, same container size, soil, light, clone, everything... I yeilded about an extra 8 grams when I just trained them with topping and LST.

The screen is also a hassle for me because I run different strains at one time, which makes it hard to fill in the screen evenly.

It's just a matter of preference

 

[ethereal]

i see a lot of the northern cali. ops run by veterans (various friends of mine) using a big net in their flower rooms to keep cola's supported and make training to an even canopy easier.

i dont know if theyre scrogging persay(sp), but i have abuddy who let the undergrowth go without trimming it away so the screen just supports his tops and is full, but he still has trees, with buds all the way down. he didnt trim away the undercanopy.
all im sayin is that it makes a ton of sense--even just a screen or net to keep buds supported without constant tying,
aggrevating fallen/broken limbs late in flower, from budweight, etc, etc....
hate to have to say it, but it is indeed simple ignorance.any way you cut it. :smile:
be well

 

[vindiesel]

well i'm a new dog, been researchin a long time, but just comin up on 1st. i have a scrog frame built w/ net. not sure if i'll use it though...only gonna have like 4 females in flower. seems like a good way to grow. since i'm new i don't care about what stigmas vets have and think it may make them less a grower. i'm new and i'm down for whatever will give me the most yield and most consistant, potent pretty buds.....i don't see how training plants to screen can cause them stress, in fact seems more like a support system, causing less stress. it's either i grow regular or scrog, don't want to start tieing branches and shit....

 

[ethereal]

I have used a scrog before and I prefer just training them.
I've calculated the yeild between 2 different crops, same container size, soil, light, clone, everything... I yeilded about an extra 8 grams when I just trained them with topping and LST.

The screen is also a hassle for me because I run different strains at one time, which makes it hard to fill in the screen evenly.

It's just a matter of preference

interestin... i guess it depends on time restraints, because with scrog the canopy is inevitably even. its best suited for multi-strain rooms in that regard, but ya gotta have the patience/ability to go longer in the veg stage with em so everything DOES fill in even.

i usually have at least 1 mixed strain headdie room goin at all times and the mixed strains is indeed a bitch when u need equal light to all plants. it means u cant pack them as tight, which is an overall decrease in efficiency, which makes total sense as to why yer yieldin more without the net.

as mentioned above, genetics can play a part, too. take urkle for example. the top half of the bush is useful. tight dense tops. the lower half, due to the plants phyllotaxy and canopy/other plants shading it, is almost ALL larfy nonsense, and finds itself in the hash pile.

 

[ethereal]

well i'm a new dog, been researchin a long time, but just comin up on 1st. i have a scrog frame built w/ net. not sure if i'll use it though...only gonna have like 4 females in flower. seems like a good way to grow. since i'm new i don't care about what stigmas vets have and think it may make them less a grower. i'm new and i'm down for whatever will give me the most yield and most consistant, potent pretty buds.....i don't see how training plants to screen can cause them stress, in fact seems more like a support system, causing less stress. it's either i grow regular or scrog, don't want to start tieing branches and shit....

if you know yer too lazy to train regular then do the net cuz untrained u will lose a lot of yield if only 4 plants.
which strain are you goin to go with?

 

[vindiesel]

does bogglegum and ice cream scrog well anyone know? i will prob go 1 strain only first time....once i do the boggle though, i will clone and always try to keep it around.

 

[Murphy]

You'll hear all kinds of answers and see discussions by asking the question but in the end it's all just personal preference.

 

[ethereal]

i cant conceed to that. everything one does is personal preference. i figured he'd want the actual reason most 'prefer' to not scrog, and not just state the obvious all kinds of answers/doscussion is usually the reason a person posts a thread. as long as everyone remains civil, its a great way to learn, and i dont care who you are, if you say youve learnt enough, and dont keep an open mind to new ideas/breakthroughs/technology in the field, youll be left in the stone age eventually due to your ignorance, or lack of will to discuss, trade ideas/experiences, and learn new things. thats what this ite is all about my friend .
in other words, nothing negative can come of this thread. as long as nobody gets nasty defendin their views..if i can be civil ANYONE can take care.

 

[Smoking Gun]

does bogglegum and ice cream scrog well anyone know? i will prob go 1 strain only first time....once i do the boggle though, i will clone and always try to keep it around.

I am pretty sure the Bogglegum will SCROG well, and I am not sure about the ice Cream. I know it is a Sensi Star cross. And Sensi Star and Ice Cream both grow into beautiful pine tree shapes. I would guess that SCROGing her will yield good results. And I guess ther is really only one way to tell whether she will or not.

Are you starting from clone or seed?

 

[Natural]

interestin... i guess it depends on time restraints, because with scrog the canopy is inevitably even. its best suited for multi-strain rooms in that regard, but ya gotta have the patience/ability to go longer in the veg stage with em so everything DOES fill in even.

i usually have at least 1 mixed strain headdie room goin at all times and the mixed strains is indeed a bitch when u need equal light to all plants. it means u cant pack them as tight, which is an overall decrease in efficiency, which makes total sense as to why yer yieldin more without the net.

as mentioned above, genetics can play a part, too. take urkle for example. the top half of the bush is useful. tight dense tops. the lower half, due to the plants phyllotaxy and canopy/other plants shading it, is almost ALL larfy nonsense, and finds itself in the hash pile.

Well my problem is that I usually grow 4 indicas that stay very short when they flower, hardly any stretch.
Then I also flower usually 2 c99xgrapefruit clones, which stretch about 3x their size during flower.

 

[vindiesel]

starting both from seed. prob the boggles first....

 

[ethereal]

hey natural how IS that cindy grapefruit x? i hear theres a grapefruit pheno of cinderella alone, i can only imagine what a pungeunt citrusy funk these buds give off. are the seeds available commercially? thanks bud be well

 

[Smoking Gun]

I would say starting with the Boggle's is a good idea.

I already said that the Ice cream liked to branch, so here is a few pics of a friends Ice Cream to show how much it branches, and how those branches really stretch and grow for light. This one was started from clone.




In this one you can clearly see the branches and how they reach for light.

 

[vindiesel]

so would the ice cream b better to grow regularly or scrog?

 

[Smoking Gun]

so would the ice cream b better to grow regularly or scrog?

Normally I am a fan of LST, but since this one branches so well, I did not suggest to my buddy that he/she uses the LST method. But I would like to see what the Ice Cream looks like under a SCROG method. You can always try two different runs, one with SCROGed and one with out.

 

[vindiesel]

well for 1st try i'm goin with all bogglegum. prob just regular, no scrog...maybe after, with ice cream, i'll go scrog...donno.