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Why Big Pharma is not addressing the failure of antidepressants

dddaver

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Not exactly weed related, but it kinda is in showing how big pharma is only in it for the bucks. Nothing else, hence what has happened with cannabis.

I got
from the article that earlier drugs were proven ineffective, and they knew that but sold them anyway. BUCKS. Nothing new was developed since the 80s and they knew they were barking up the wrong tree with that lower cytokine (seratonin, etc.) levels in the brain theory, but kept doing it and selling junk they knew didn't work. For over 50 years!

So they stopped all research into antidepressants because people were wising up to their lurid game. Now there is a new theory but will only explore it when forced.
Disgusting.

by Colin Hendrie And Alasdair Pickles, The Conversation

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Changing views on depression. Credit: Shutterstock Around a quarter of people experience depression at some point in their lives, two-thirds of whom are women. Each year more than 11m working days are lost in the UK to stress, depression or anxiety and there are more than 6,000 suicides. The impact of depression on individuals, families, society and the economy is enormous.


Front-line therapies usually include medication. All the commonly prescribed antidepressants are based on "the monoamine hypothesis". This holds that depression is caused by a shortage of serotonin and noradrenaline in the brain. Existing antidepressants are designed to increase the levels of these chemicals.
The first generation of antidepressants were developed in the 1950s and a second generation came in the 1980s. Products such as Prozac and Seroxat were hailed as "wonder drugs" when they first came onto the market.
In the roughly 30 years since, these kinds of drugs have come to look tired and jaded. Patents have expired and there are doubts about their efficacy. Some scientists even argue the drugs do more harm than good.
Broken model
There has been no third generation of antidepressants. This is despite there having been moon-landing levels of investment in research. The antidepressant discovery process that gave rise to the earlier drugs is clearly broken. It is also apparent that this process had never worked that well, since the only real improvements over the previous 60 years were a reduction of side-effects.
By the mid-2000s the major pharmaceutical companies started disinvesting in this area. Government funding for basic research into depression and charitable funding followed a similar pattern. In 2010 GSK, AstraZeneca, Pfizer, Merck and Sanofi all announced that they had stopped looking for new antidepressants altogether. Professor David Nutt, the former government drug advisor, declared this to be the "annus horribilis" for psychiatric drug research. The likelihood now is that there will be no new antidepressants for decades.
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Brain ventricles. Credit: Shutterstock However, there continues to be an urgent and pressing need for more effective treatments. The question the drug companies now need to ask themselves is, did they fail because the task was impossible, or did they fail simply because they got things wrong? Our view is that there was a systems failure.
The monoamine hypothesis was not correct. There is little to no clinical evidence to support the notion that depression is associated with low levels of monoamines and predictions based on it were not borne out by research. The drug discovery process built around it was equally flawed and contained at its very heart a basic logical error which meant it was only ever capable of producing drugs with similar effects to the drugs we already had.
However, these failures still give reason for cautious optimism about the development of new drug treatments because they mean depression can now be looked at in ways that weren't previously possible.
New ideas
We have proposed a new theory of depression we call the "third ventricle hypothesis". The ventricles of the brain are a network of interconnected spaces filled with a liquid known as cerebrospinal fluid.
The third ventricle hypothesis links the behavioural features of depression, such as sleep disturbance or disruption of appetites for things like food and sex, with the brain structures that contact this space. Other behavioural features associated with depression include hunched posture, avoidance of eye contact and social withdrawal.
Our hypothesis says that this kind of behaviour developed in response to situations where an individual's survival depends on them remaining in a social group that has become hostile to them. Behaving in this more defensive way helps reduce the probability of further attack by others. The hypothesis goes on to say that this effect is produced by the explosive release of inflammatory substances known as cytokines into the third ventricle.
The third ventricle hypothesis ties in with clinical evidence showing that this ventricle is enlarged in depressives, that depression is associated with elevated levels of cytokines in blood, and other theories of depression that relate to the release of stress hormones. If developed, it could give new insights into the nature of depression and lead to novel approaches to the development of drugs that are used to treat it.
However, it has not proved possible to take this theory forward because its publication in 2010 coincided with the drug companies pulling out of psychiatric drug research. This disinvestment has impacted on all such work in this area. Guy Goodwin, former head of psychiatry at the University of Oxford has warned of a "generational crisis" in terms of capacity to develop new antidepressants unless the withdrawal of pharmaceutical funding is addressed.
A government review of funding for basic research into depression is now needed to revitalise drug company interest in developing new antidepressants, similar to the recent review of the development of new antibiotics. If new funding structures could be proposed, they might provide hope for the millions affected by depression.
 

shithawk420

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HA!that's just the tip of the iceberg!the FDA is doing crazy experiments with the DOD for fucking years!no tin foil hat here folks.its fact.
 

sprinkl

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Most people on these drugs are worse off. Why would they be more effective than coke or meth in the long run? It doesn't take someone with a degree in anything to figure out that trying to fix a disbalance with drugs is a bad idea.
I think most research will now be directed at exploiting cannabis for huge profit.
Herbal cannabis will still be slandered as being dope, the compounds they isolate, patent and put into pillform will be accepted to use, be excessively overpriced and most important, only a % as effective as the whole herb.
 

shithawk420

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Pretty spot on sprinkl.except its been going on for years and now things are starting to speed up the process.my prediction and its based on facts and theory is that the west coast will have the legal buds and the east coast will have the synthetic crap.I can elaborate when my carpultunul doesn't hurt.lol
 

waveguide

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HA!that's just the tip of the iceberg!the FDA is doing crazy experiments with the DOD for fucking years!no tin foil hat here folks.its fact.


here's the facts about icmag posters...

tudo's thread on domestic counterintel (never mind the threads i've posted) - who fucking cares

another thread on taking $5k out of the bank... every fucker on this board is fucking outraged.


basically, even weed growers, you'd expect bastions of liberty, care about cash and couldn't give a single fuck if humanity from now into infinity are fucked in the head by robots and have to watch charles in charge until the eschaton.

thanks shithawk420, it's so very rare that i have any reason to even try and respect anyone. who do these sad fucks think they are helping by being ignorant and giving this bullshit their blessing? themselves?????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

i hope all your fucking $5000 keeps you happy in the hell fuckers.
 

shithawk420

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Its absolutly sick what these people get away with but ill leave it at that.im not gonna fight a war i cant win.im not gonna name the guy who quoted this but,"Surely if evil exists it lies in the heart of man"sorry if off topic.
 

Jellyfish

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Back in the nineties, reps from Eli Lilly Corp. flooded doctors offices with free samples of Prozac and the like. Doctors handed it out like fekkin' candy.
 

Green Squall

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I'm a victim of big pharma. And as a result, I also no longer trust doctors. "Paxil has no withdrawals. You can stop taking it whenever you want." Ya right. Asshholes.
 

waveguide

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what's worse than anything is the trust... i've seen many people with pharma/medical industry helping them die.. but it's the fucking trust in the institutions that breaks my bleeding ass heart.


im not gonna fight a war i cant win.

that's what most people say when they find out how massive the masons are, but i'll tell you, whether you win or lose depends on if you decide to fight.

don't murder your integrity before your body dies. fight a war they can't win.
 

shithawk420

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I like your style waveguide,but ive givin up hope a long time ago.ive got no fight left in me.people think your crazy when you tell them the truth.they could actually be curing people if they wanted to.but theres no money in that
 

OranguTrump

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No profit in cure - the money is in the long term prescription game

Actual results are almost moot point - side effects are blatantly horrible & nobody involved in the manufacture/prescribing/selling gives a shit. It's all about the money, period.
 

dddaver

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That's also why I will only go see my Dr. for a check-up once a year and renew those prescriptions I take that are necessary. He is alway suggesting "trying" this or that drug. I refuse to be a guinee pig or test lab rat anymore. I am not some fuckin' old junk car these damn incompetent mechanics can try this or that on.

The whole system's a mess. I've had many tests, all kinds of imaging, been a fuckin' pin cushin, poked and prodded enough....but my condition only worsens. It finally dawned on me that the entire medical system now is NOT trying to cure anyone. That dries up that revenue stream. That's just bad economics.

And for every cure they do luck into, there are many more cases with very similar symptoms that are not cured just because those patients went to the wrong Dr. who stands by his wrong theory and won't except the better procedure. Doctors, as a group,are the most stubborn, hard-headed group there is, and except for the very old, established, tried and true, each have their own theories and practice that way.

They always tout how people live longer now. Live longer true, but as zombies, just alive only because some drug is extendiing that life, but the quality of life is not considered.

I guess you can tell I'm kinda bitter about the whole mess.
 

shithawk420

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I still dont buy that whole everyone living longer crap.im watching relatively young people dropping like flies.
 

Sisu

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Back in the nineties, reps from Eli Lilly Corp. flooded doctors offices with free samples of Prozac and the like. Doctors handed it out like fekkin' candy.

In the 90s I was a junior field engineer working in heavy construction, mostly power plants. The senior FE was whacked on Prozac and Jack Daniels nightly. I ended up with his job, me the marijuana smoker.


I still dont buy that whole everyone living longer crap.im watching relatively young people dropping like flies.

Me neither. I don't think infant mortality is properly accounted for when these kinds of comparisons are made.
 
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