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Why arent there many heirloom seeds?

Lime Green

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1986 Heirloom from the #2 collection previously mentioned.
 
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meizzwang

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Regarding landraces, they're for a lot of us, but not everyone. Here are the general challenges:
1) High hermi ratios, especially in "unselected" straight from the source strains
2) difficult to grow plants
3) some have low yields
4) Some grow literally into gigantic, tall trees with moderate to low yields
5) With many strains, it's a numbers game to get one worth keeping. In my experience, out of more than 40 seeds of various strains popped, maybe 1 or 2 were worth cloning. In cotrast, quality hybrid seeds can get you much higher percentages of keepers.
6) potency can range from near nil to decently high, but strong individuals are a lot harder to find (in general) compared to selected, well bred hybrids.
7) Many of the pure sativas take incredible amounts of time to finish. Still have one outdoors that isn't yet finished, started flowering late October 2017!

Positives of landraces:
1) the quality of the highs on many landraces are unparallel. Tired of skunk and not looking for potency but quality of high? Look here!
2) Incredible genetic diversity, which opens up a good chance of creating new, unique strains, so long as you run large enough numbers.
3) unique flavors and aromas
4) some of the most beautiful plants I've ever seen-some have gigantic leaves!
5) History behind some strains are as rich as the strain itself!
6) some strains have incredible disease resistance (ie. manipuri, malana cream).
7) Makes you a better grower by learning things you otherwise wouldn't learn.

Sellers are worried about their reputations, this is why you don't see many selling landraces, it's a gamble. However, I think as growers become more educated, they'll realize the gamble is worth it!
 

Lime Green

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That's an interesting plant!

Any more info?

All I can say on this one is that it is similar to the second plant to come out of the 11 called 1984. I always have suspected that it was an early hybrid, likely from Skunk #1 genetics.

Fun factoid, I sold the same bud as the 1984 from 84-86, and the guy I got the seeds from likely sourced the original bag through my cousin, from me. The moniker we gave it BITD, was "Lime Green", my user name. Its come full circle.
 
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Regarding landraces, they're for a lot of us, but not everyone. Here are the general challenges:
1) High hermi ratios, especially in "unselected" straight from the source strains
2) difficult to grow plants
3) some have low yields
4) Some grow literally into gigantic, tall trees with moderate to low yields
5) With many strains, it's a numbers game to get one worth keeping. In my experience, out of more than 40 seeds of various strains popped, maybe 1 or 2 were worth cloning. In cotrast, quality hybrid seeds can get you much higher percentages of keepers.
6) potency can range from near nil to decently high, but strong individuals are a lot harder to find (in general) compared to selected, well bred hybrids.
7) Many of the pure sativas take incredible amounts of time to finish. Still have one outdoors that isn't yet finished, started flowering late October 2017!

Positives of landraces:
1) the quality of the highs on many landraces are unparallel. Tired of skunk and not looking for potency but quality of high? Look here!
2) Incredible genetic diversity, which opens up a good chance of creating new, unique strains, so long as you run large enough numbers.
3) unique flavors and aromas
4) some of the most beautiful plants I've ever seen-some have gigantic leaves!
5) History behind some strains are as rich as the strain itself!
6) some strains have incredible disease resistance (ie. manipuri, malana cream).
7) Makes you a better grower by learning things you otherwise wouldn't learn.

Sellers are worried about their reputations, this is why you don't see many selling landraces, it's a gamble. However, I think as growers become more educated, they'll realize the gamble is worth it!
Excellent post. I would be in heaven growing heirlooms/landraces if I could grow freely and legally outdoors.
 

Easy7

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Meant for indoors and herloom are an oxymoron. Hybrids are meant for more specific grows. Heirloom or landrace as we know it takes some knowledge to grow inside as they are not meant for indoors.

Landraces are outdoor and native climate adapted. Here in the midwest, it's hard to grow landraces to perfection year after year. Hybrids are better suited for the needs of the grow. Sure, there could be some landraces that would perform. But it's hard to find seeds of those that will finish and not fail due to disease.
 

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