Why arent there many heirloom seeds?

[Bennyweed1]

I would like to get my hands on some heirloom seeds that are meant for growing indoors. I found a site that sells some outdoor heirloom breeds and I know why but there still has to be some indoor heirloom genetics floating around somewhere. Natively MJ is supposed to be grown outdoors in beautiful mother nature so does that mean indoor heirlooms are not available because it goes against nature?

I can buy all my garden herds in none hybrid forums........

Being organic I would like to add a strain that isn't "genetically engineered".

Any thoughts on this? I just feel that all the crossbreeding and inbreeding has gone a little to far past how mother nature intended things to be.

 

[303hydro]

TOM HILL

 

[Iron_Lion]

I think he means pure unadulterated landraces, like a nepalese straight from nepal, not landrace strains collected from their native land then selectively bred in the Dam or elsewhere. I think Ace/Cannabiogen has the closest things to this available commercially but even their strains have been selectively bred.

 

[soil margin]

yeah ive heard people talking about this, any types specifically?

 

[mad librettist]

I would like to get my hands on some heirloom seeds that are meant for growing indoors. I found a site that sells some outdoor heirloom breeds and I know why but there still has to be some indoor heirloom genetics floating around somewhere. Natively MJ is supposed to be grown outdoors in beautiful mother nature so does that mean indoor heirlooms are not available because it goes against nature?

I can buy all my garden herds in none hybrid forums........

Being organic I would like to add a strain that isn't "genetically engineered".

Any thoughts on this? I just feel that all the crossbreeding and inbreeding has gone a little to far past how mother nature intended things to be.

heirloom tomatoes are not strains from nature, but rather, very stabilized crosses.

tomatoes also tend to express less diversity in the offspring compared to cannabis, so having a good specimen that always breeds true is a tall order.

 

[reservationlabs]

heirloom tomatoes are not strains from nature, but rather, very stabilized crosses.

tomatoes also tend to express less diversity in the offspring compared to cannabis, so having a good specimen that always breeds true is a tall order.

Such an excellent reply.

And as far as being as close to wild heirloom cannabis as you can get is Tom Hill and also Ace/Cannabiogen. Their is one other place but since they aren't distributed by seedbay I don't believe you can post their information here.

 

[BlueGrassToker]

Seems lots are confused a bit on what is what in the plant world. Much of it comes down to semantics.

An heirloom variety is not a landrace plant found in the wild, but rather a hybridized cultivar that was kept stable for a long time and has not been grown in modern mass production agriculture. This would disqualify ALL indigenous plants that are grown and harvested for commercial purposes.

Usually the term "heirloom plant" would designate a cultivar that is also very, very old and created by past generations. Thing is, due to it's clandestine nature repeatable heirloom cannabis plants have only been created within the last few decades.
I would consider Sk1 an heirloom cultivar.

 

[Toes.]

The term "Heirloom" applied to plants was apparently first used by Kent Whealy of Seed Savers Exchange, who first used "heirloom" in relation to plants in a speech he gave in Tucson in 1981. He had asked permission to use the term "heirloom" from John Withee, who had used the term on the cover of his bean catalog. John said sure, that he had taken it from Prof. William Hepler at the University of New Hampshire, who first used the term "heirloom" to describe some beans that friends had given him back in the 1940s.

Commercial Heirlooms: Open-pollinated varieties introduced before 1940, or cultivated varieties more than 50 years in circulation.
Family Heirlooms: Seeds that have been passed down for several generations through a family.
Created Heirlooms: Crossing two known parents (either two heirlooms or an heirloom and a hybrid) and dehybridizing the resulting seeds for how ever many years/generations it takes to eliminate the undesirable characteristics and stabilize the desired characteristics, perhaps as many as 8 years or more.
Mystery Heirlooms: Varieties that are a product of natural cross-pollination of other heirloom varieties.

(Note: All heirloom varieties are open-pollinated but not all open-pollinated varieties are heirloom varieties.)

 

[Mr. Greengenes]

Now everybody wants to be a seedsaver! How times have changed.

 

[BlueGrassToker]

I think some of the young folks here would shit if they could see all the seeds I have thrown away. Especially if they saw what they came from.

 

[Storm Shadow]

I have seeds that have been isolated from the rest of the world for thousands of years....

Non-Watered down pure Genetics are not easy to come by...

 

[BlackBart]

I would try

Tom Hill

Ace Seeds They all have what you are looking for .

 

[187020]

Grow some damn sour d homie ...

 

[highsteppa]

Seedbank/SSSC.... how bout some creeper

 

[zymos]

Interesting to ponder the concept of "heirloom" seeds and compare it to the world of MJ seeds, where its all about the hybrids...

 

[pearlemae]

I think that LANDRACE is the same as HEIRLOOM it's a matter of semantics? Pot has been cultivated for several thousands or more years. So I would think there are strains that have been bred pure as it were, for thousands of generations/ years. Wouldn't that make them what we in the west would consider heirloom??? just a thought...

 

[inquest]

From what I've seen it's Tom Hill and Gypsy for the real deal "heirloom" stuff. Check Toms thread on makin DeepChunk beans. Good stuff! Oh and Delt9 has some Cambodian.

Tom Hill: Afghani, Pakistani, & Haze.
Gypsy: Loa, Thai, & Cambodian.

Worked lines but still pure sativas or indicas, I'd say go for Ace and Cannabiogen. In fact I'm enjoying some VietBlackXThai from Ace right now. Great stuff!

 

[highsociety420]

Worked lines but still pure sativas or indicas, I'd say go for Ace and Cannabiogen. In fact I'm enjoying some VietBlackXThai from Ace right now. Great stuff!

They got some landrace in the menu now, like mangobiche and punto rojo. Heirloom strain also, Janilla from sinaloa as example.

 

[highsociety420]

Natively MJ is supposed to be grown outdoors in beautiful mother nature so does that mean indoor heirlooms are not available because it goes against nature?

I can buy all my garden herds in none hybrid forums........

Being organic I would like to add a strain that isn't "genetically engineered".

Any thoughts on this? I just feel that all the crossbreeding and inbreeding has gone a little to far past how mother nature intended things to be.

What?! No man. You can grow any plant, any strain indoor, it just need to fit in the growroom. The only problem of growing some pure native sativas is that its not so efficient, it will produce little and will take A LOT of time to flower. If you dont have problem with this, you just need to let it short untill flowering to control the height.

Also, the term indoor strain means it was genetically SELECTED, not engeneered (i hope), for fit in a small space. The objetive of this selection is to find a strain that grows short, fast, with heavy nugs and with the desirable effects. The only problem in my opinion is that many companies tend to focus only in the appearence and not so much in the high of the weed, which is the most important part, right? I also hate the fcking market behind this, deceiving everybody with their manipulation and lies. Be that changed with peoples conciousness.
Peace,

 

[Lime Green]

They got some landrace in the menu now, like mangobiche and punto rojo. Heirloom strain also, Janilla from sinaloa as example.

I have a whole collection of heirloom cultivars, germinated from uncirculated seed, from 3 different sources. I'm preparing to make them available.

#1, a very old Jarilla de Sinaloa/Cola de Borrego male that came from a gift of 49, 25 year old seeds direct from Sinaloa. He was the only one of the 49 to germinate, and has been used abundantly. He is extrememly prepotent, producing a lot of daughters with his traits, from a variety of mothers. To differentiate from commercial Cola de Borrego, I call him Culiacan Bamboo.

#2 A collection of approximately 300 seeds dated from 1979-1993, from connesueir grade bud that circulated in the Los Angeles Basin in that era. From this, 11 females, and 4 males were propagated, and open pollinated to refresh and multiply the original collection. I can say with certainty, there are phenotypes with some intense highs like nothing today. This collection is exciting.

#3 I just acquired two different collections from the same source, a gentleman who appreciated the uniqueness of some of what has come from the aforementioned sources. The first is a very similar 70-80's collection as #2. The second was 25 seeds from the late 90's- early 2000s, and were all from "kick ass pot". I'm germinating the latter now, and looks like 20% are solid, and I expect perhaps 75% from what I'm seeing.

As to the OP, stuff like #3 has a lot better chance of solid indoor keepers. The older stuff is much more Sativa based, and more wild. Some of these were lost, as they were very poor indoor keepers, particularly one Thai type, 14 week flowering plant.

However, there were some radical, indoor tolerant girls in the #2 group. Let me dig up a photo or two.