I think the majority of responsibility is with the grower.. How can a breeder give that kind of guarantee? It may be possible, but how many people can do it? I've grown lots of crops without hermies, but when I give clones out to friends or other growers i'll hear back that the plants seeded. Maybe someday a skilled breeder will offer totally hermie free genetics, but I wouldn't bet on it.
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I failed to mention that the hermies are mostly shown during the pre-sexing veg stage when I weed out all but the female plants.This is mostly done under 24hrs light.So when I see a potential female preflower and wait a couple days, sometimes there are suddenly male flowers popping right under it, so I guess thats what I mean.So with say the white russian, 4 plants were straight female,5 were hermie and six were male, all under veg conditions.I rarely have problems with the females I pick when put into flower unless it gets up to 100 degrees or someting.Had to clarify, I was high this A.M.PEACE!!!MUCHA LUCHA!!!
Growdoc said:
so whats the relationship between using clones and hermies? you believe cloning degrades the genetics? i always wondered about clones.. some say cloned plants will get better after several generations of cuts.. some say the opposite.. some say they stay the same unless you get a virus which is the only way to degrade the genetics.. very interesting stuff.. but how will there ever be a determining concencus?
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1) "If you fall in love with it,work with it."would be my answer.
(Isn't that why you work with the plants you do,bro?) :smile:
2) Under undue stress,at varying levels,most all marijuana reverses,
'elite',or not.
Not always 'room-wrecking',but making viable pollen.
This reversal trait varies in degrees,you just have to find the ones that don't.
Equatorial sativas,used to many more lumens than any indoor bulb can give,seem to be more susceptable to reversals-due-to-stress than indicas-and that's why indicas and sativas have been hybridised: to get the best of both worlds,and to breed out sensitivities or other negative traits that one might encounter along the way,out of both sides.
By outcrossing these sensitive plants to others that don't share the same sensitivities,you improve the probability that it won't come up in the progeny.
Rinse,and repeat. :smile:
Nobody will ever be able to claim that they produce a line that cannot be reversed,to even suggest that someone could play God to that effect is simply absurd.
This is a really good thread.
Ciao!
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light herms are a dirty little commercial grower trick. just like not drying out buds all the way, its to get more weight.
They choose a strain like chronic or something commercial predisposed to hermi anyway and they find a pheno that is high yielding but also spits out a few hermi flowers 3 weeks before its done. The seeds don't develop and its not noticable to most smokers, unlike a bad trim or big stems, but all those little pin head seeds that end up on your grinder screen, well almost every calyx has a tiny little seed in it.
and believe it or not when you weigh up those tiny little seeds they mean something. not in a gram, but in a 20lb shipment they do. more money for the grower.
and the kinda folks that start weed growing warehouses also do alot of mother selection as you might imagine.
They choose a strain like chronic or something commercial predisposed to hermi anyway and they find a pheno that is high yielding but also spits out a few hermi flowers 3 weeks before its done. The seeds don't develop and its not noticable to most smokers, unlike a bad trim or big stems, but all those little pin head seeds that end up on your grinder screen, well almost every calyx has a tiny little seed in it.
and believe it or not when you weigh up those tiny little seeds they mean something. not in a gram, but in a 20lb shipment they do. more money for the grower.
and the kinda folks that start weed growing warehouses also do alot of mother selection as you might imagine.
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all in the genes, I saw thai staying 100 % female next to nirvana strains that were hermying, same conditions.
I share the same point of view as the thread's creator, and read rez' experience.
We know nothing about the role of hormones actually, or very little.I'm sure they're responsible for creating hermies, and it can be prevented technically
I share the same point of view as the thread's creator, and read rez' experience.
We know nothing about the role of hormones actually, or very little.I'm sure they're responsible for creating hermies, and it can be prevented technically
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i totally agree i got a bunch of herms my first couple of grows...after that none...havent had one in 2 years
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I had hermies in my first grow. I later grew out the resulting S1 seeds and not a single naner on one of them. They were all female and the resulting bud was as good as the original.
I am assuming that means the plant hermied because of the growing conditions and not the genetics.
I am assuming that means the plant hermied because of the growing conditions and not the genetics.
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I don't know if anyone else has notice that you seem to get more hermaphrodite's when using a 24/0 schedual for vegging compered to using a 18/6.
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I've thought about it.
I've thought about it.
Yeah,I,ve considered that but I never had problems until I started buying commercial seeds two years ago My own fresh seeds recently done don't hermie under my 247 veg cycle.Next time I but White Russian and Sensi Mr Nice I'll definately try 18 hrs.I'll try anything, thanks.
I've thought about it.
Yeah,I,ve considered that but I never had problems until I started buying commercial seeds two years ago My own fresh seeds recently done don't hermie under my 247 veg cycle.Next time I but White Russian and Sensi Mr Nice I'll definately try 18 hrs.I'll try anything, thanks.
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[I failed to mention that the hermies are mostly shown during the pre-sexing veg stage when I weed out all but the female plants.This is mostly done under 24hrs light]
have you tried 18/6 lighting, im working with im sure is a breeders attempt at fem seed or just new seed. throughout most of 05 my nephew was getting sugar shack min 5lbs each month last dec 1 half lb was fully seeded hence the seed i had and grew out.
now reason why i believe this is fem seed is because of 30 seed i was gifted 22 poped of them 17 survived all 17 where female
. would this perfect ratio be because duder hermied a plant for new seed hence all girls hence fem seed. the original breeder of sugar shack has been outta stock 2yr now http://kindseed.com/proddetail.asp?prod=PP-sshak.trust me my grow cab isnt perfect i have min light leaks last grow everyday from 30day 12/12 on i opened the door 2 hr before lights on and foliar feed the plants never worried about hemi just feed and closed door. and no hermies. try 18/6 lighting may improve your ratio, also freshness of the seed could be the major factor
full details on my sugar shack grow in my grow log link in sig
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