Why all the hermies in todays seeds?

[Guest]

Is it just me or have more hermies been popping up in commercially available seeds these days than in say the eighties when Bros Grimm and Sensi were first selling to the general public.The Hash Plant Pure I received from Sensi in 86 had no hermies inside or out and I saved the good cuttings until about 95' when divorce made me lose 'em.The M-31 from Bros Grimm was the same, no hermies in seedling or cuttings, inside or out.I lost those cuttings in same marital split but I had bred each with some "landrace" Columbian so I saved something.All the seeds I grt theses days excepting Rez' have some hermie plants.Whats up?It seems to happen more inside than out and sometimes inside it becomes frustrating.Any ideas?

 

[REZDOG]

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Well....Imo it's frequently not the actual seeds,it's noob growers with imperfect environments and methodologies....that have the majority of the issues.
Every time someone brings up reversals to me,I suggest they stand in their darkened growroom and search for light leaks-and 100% of the time,they've found the issue that caused their problem.

Grower Error seems to be the culprit,most of the time.


My .02


Cheers!

 

[Buffoonman]

I partial agree, but using exactly the same grow room and conditions my Nirvana ICE plants nearly all hermied where as none of my G13-Diesel hermied so it seems stability of the strain does make a difference. But I do agree with better conditions I probably could have had no hermies.

 

[ethereal]

who's seeds are you referring to MUCHA, if not rez's? because the only time you are goin to get seeds that do that is a sloppy breeder. which are a dime a dozen these days, just check the auction sites in the personal breeders section. i bet half the people that sell the seeds dont put an ounce of thought into the selection, or are just plain stupid. so that is why you get shit hermies. bad breeders, and shitty growers. not good solid commercial product such as what you described getting back in the day. most of these new school closet/backyard breeders have no clue. you have to know who to buy from by following the conversations on the forums about their ethics, read grow reports, and smoke reports of the final product of the genetics they are selling..

like rez said it could be grower-error too..

 

[REZDOG]

I partial agree, but using exactly the same grow room and conditions my Nirvana ICE plants nearly all hermied where as none of my G13-Diesel hermied

Nirvana?
Oh,them.
Well,imo they are the wal-mart of seed houses,and (again imo) their labelling isn't worth a fuck.
Nirvana's well-known for randomly using favored,in-house Skunk and NL fathers against well-known strain names,then reselling them as said-named strain.
(Imo they'd be better off,in most cases,just 'knocking off' (f2ing,et al) the target beans using the m/f's from the same exact lineage-)
At $15 a pack,taking their package labelling as truth is definately a Bad Idea.

"the only time you are goin to get seeds that do that is a sloppy breeder"

Not taking time to SELECT proper Parent Stock,and to test those Parents,is definately part of the problem.
On this end,I stress the fuck out of potential new Parent stock,just to see what it'll do,before I even consider it for breeding purposes or commercial release.

 

[Guest]

The seeds I'm talking about hermies with were Sensi's G-13XHASHPLANT, Serious' White Russian, Chronic.All these were grown in total darknes, I've been around the block with light leaks.They were all grown along with Rez' SDIBL,Williams WONDER and Mindfuck, the Rez strains didn't have the hermies or mutants under similar if not the exact same conditions.I said in my original post that the Rez strains were free of deformities and I was curious to know what might be up.I have no light leaks and I am not a "noob" i've been rockin this shit since 83' and never missed a season so my question was really whats up wit the other strains.I'm stoked to get a reply from Rez himself butI reckon I been around as long or longer than him I just never had a computer until this last year and being an old timer was a bit leary of the net.PEACE!!MUCHA LUCHA!!!

 

[REZDOG]

The seeds I'm talking about hermies with were Sensi's G-13XHASHPLANT, Serious' White Russian, Chronic.All these were grown in total darknes, I've been around the block with light leaks.They were all grown along with Rez' SDIBL,Williams WONDER and Mindfuck, the Rez strains didn't have the hermies or mutants under similar if not the exact same conditions.

WOW!
I'll eat my words,then,Mucha,or at least,some of them.
I had no problems with Sensi's G13/HP,the 2002 series,or the 1989 SeedBank release. Serious' bubblegum for me wasn't a keeper,but no reversals. I haven't grown the WR or Chronic,so I can't comment on those.
Well,something to think about,for sure,and I'm glad my beans stood tall where the others failed-that makes me :smile: thanks!


Cheers!

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[GREANTHUMB]

I dont know.. but IMO.... if you arent buying seeds from well established growers with proven genetics... YOU MIGHT AS WELL JUST EXPECT TO END UP WITH HERMIES. I myself am an amature breeder. I wouldnt even consider(like rez said)breeding any parent stock that hasnt been stressed out to the MAX> (photoperiod abuse.. starving and temp. stressing). Its most likely lazy breeders that dont want to take the time to fully test the parents properly... let alone test the seed product in unideal conditions. I dont like buying seeds period.. Id rather inquire verified genes/ make my own seeds. Then again... I dont trust ANYBODY with jeapordizing MY growroom. LOL.

 

[Guest]

By the way Rez, I found one c99 dominant female in a pack of Mindfuck that is absolutely rude mindbending fuckin sativa.Its flowering in my same 20"X 10' super dark room and the bud is like white death.No hermies.Maybe the heat did it to those others because sometimes the temps hit 82 degrees at the height of light cycly.I bred two SDIBL males with a NL5 dom NL#5X HAZE and had no hermies so I'm a bit befuddled but I have all the cuttings and they are all straight out so no worries,I'm just trying to improve my mind.PEACE!!MUCHA LUCHA!!!

 

[GREANTHUMB]

82 DEGREES SHOULD NOT CAUSE HERMIES.

 

[Octavian]

I dont know.. but IMO.... if you arent buying seeds from well established growers with proven genetics... YOU MIGHT AS WELL JUST EXPECT TO END UP WITH HERMIES. .

Hermaphroditic plants are GENETIC. There are specific INTERSEXUAL GENES that, if present in the individual plant, will cause hermaphroditism in it's offspring. There are multiple genes responsible for hermaphrodotism, the degree of displayed hermaphroditism depends on how many of these genes the individual plant has inherited.

We can see this demonstrated in the real world by observing some plants that will never hermie on you, no matter the stress or environmental factors. These lucky plants have NO intersexual genes. The plants that Rezdog describes here

Every time someone brings up reversals to me,I suggest they stand in their darkened growroom and search for light leaks-and 100% of the time,they've found the issue that caused their problem.

Grower Error seems to be the culprit,most of the time.

have intersexual (hermie) genes, at least to some degree.

Environment can exacerbate the problem, in that plants with intersexual genes may not display hermaphroditism under ideal conditions...but stress them, and the 'nanners pop out. The really bad specimens like the ones Mucha Lucha found, didn't even need poor conditions to show themselves.

IMHO, breeders know this. Any competent breeder or grower who has grown out many, many plants has experienced this for themselves.

It is very popular for breeders to point the finger at the grower, and say "It is YOUR fault you have hermies." The truth is, that the breeder is simply telling his customers how to HIDE the fact that they (the breeder) is at fault for breeding with individuals that have intersexual genes in the first place. At the very least, there should be a warning label.

Mucha Lucha (nice handle!), I've seen the same thing you describe. Serious Chronic for me was a hellish nightmare of hermies.

Hey Rezdog, here is a question for you. There is obviously a market (understatement) for hermaphrodite free genetics. Why don't you put your considerable expertise and resources towards a line that is guaranteed to not hermie. You know it theoretically is possible...unless you think that hermies are not due to intersexual genes and therefore can't be bred out. Just a thought.

Octavian

 

[Nspecta]

This here's a good topic...

This here's a good topic...

Not taking time to SELECT proper Parent Stock,and to test those Parents,is definately part of the problem.
On this end,I stress the fuck out of potential new Parent stock,just to see what it'll do,before I even consider it for breeding purposes or commercial release.

Rez~ On tha real...I've been debating lately what makes good parent stock...and...lately, I've been fairly undecided/confused...I've alwayz ran Extreme Stress Tests on all new & old stock...what I've been finding lately is many of these so-called "Elite" cuts are extremely hermie prone...I mean, prior ta a couple years ago...if I saw a 'ball' on a plant...that plant was dead...nanners don't bother me so much, as they 'usually' don't cause to bad o' problems...

...a lot of these "elite" cutz I rarely, if ever, see mention of their propensity to hermaphrodism...as examples...Sour Diesel, OG Kush, Bubba Kush, Jack's Cleaner, Mendo Purp's, etc...all can be 'major' herm's under heavy stress...

...my question is...how does somebody go about choosing whether or not to work with a particular cut? What level of herm, in your experience, is acceptable ta work with?


IGT

 

[Haps]

Are you talking banana bitches, or real homophobe hermies? All weed will throw bananas under the right stress, this is not what I consider hermie. Bananas are survival traits, and rarely have enough pollen to do damage, to a personal grower. You want to see hermie, find a wild hemp crop. I've only seen 2 real hermies in the last 4 years, one a viet black bitch, and the other was Odins Hammer from RM [not recommended]. Being a nice sort of a chap I try not to take pictures of the bananas, so I don't scare all of the young homophobes off growing sativas.
H

 

[afropips]

Hiya,
I agree with Octavian.
There are many plants with the hermie genes out there & breeders who sell
feminised seeds are also contributing to the problem.

Stress is also a contributor when growing the hermie trait plants.
I have heaped plenty of stress on Malawi Gold & never had a Nanaa.

No Fear for naanas , I just dont need them polinating my sensi!

Cool Runnings........

 

[ethereal]

this is quickly becoming a grate thread

 

[Growdoc]

This is a real good post and most of what i would say has been coverd, plants survive on the fact that they herm from time to time.

Soma talks openly about it and yes most Breeders just blame the growers.

i would like to add 1 thing, the fact that breeders use clones and not seeds has some contribution to WEAK ASS genes....

Growdoc

 

[mtnjohn]

this is quickly becoming a grate thread

grate thread indeed bro.
threads like this is why i stick around here.
i have only had hermies one time in my noob days with a bagssed grow
and it ws due to a light leak. i think if i had paid top$$$ for some beans
and they hermied i would go apeshit.
breeders that care about their customers rock
rezdog truly does seem to care and thats why i buy his beans.

 

[GREANTHUMB]

thats why you make sure the cuts you use come from a solid mother(from seed if possible)... its hard to get a non washed out cut as it is. Depending on the strain... ive found it seems like some strains weaken more than others as the clones get cloned.

 

[fjällhöga]

finally someone agreed with that Nirvana is a cheap mass producer , just using the same male´s all the time , thats causing nearly all strains to go purple in flowering ....

 

[Guest]

Thanks folks...

Thanks folks...

Thanks for the replies to my inquiriy.It seems that whenever I've grown these strains outdoors I never had the hermie problems, but inside perhaps they are more likely to show due to an unknown enviroment.My white russian was fine outdoors until a flopper chopper dropped an asshole down on a wire and grabbed her right out of the vacant lot up the street two weeks before an Oct 30 finish a few years back..Anyway maybe its a fert problem, I use Rockwool formula 1 for everything until the last three weeks and then switch to Hydrofarm bloom to boost the buds.I've always seen bananas from time to time especially when I let plants go for a longer time to make them especially ripe.Anyway thanks y'all your'e the best.Peace!!!MUCHA LUCHA!!!