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PrinceOfPersia

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I have been saying this for over a year now to most of my friends, and now this article backs up what i always thought!

America is one evil mofo state.

I hate bush

I hate the american govt

I hate the hitlerstyle american goverment runs

http://www.aljazeera.com/me.asp?service_ID=13212

U.S. policy redirection: Divide Sunnis & Shias, win the Sunnis
2/27/2007 8:18:00 AM GMT
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How far would the U.S. go to ensure Shias never rise to power?



By: Philippe Khan

The so-called American war on terror and struggle to gain more influence over Arab States are taking a new shape.

In a testimony before the Senate Foreign Relations Committee last month, the U.S. Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice, who’s made several Middle East visits since she took office, pointed to a new strategy the U.S. plans to pursue in the region. There’s “a new strategic alignment in the Middle East,” she said, adding that the new approach the U.S. will adopt in the wake of the deteriorating security situation in Iraq will focus on separating “reformers” and “extremists”; referring to Arab Sunni states as centers of moderation, while placing Iran, Syria, and Lebanon’s Hezbollah “on the other side of that divide.”

She argued that the Islamic Republic and Damascus have already “made their choice and their choice is to destabilize.”

Rice’s message was quite clear; i.e. Syria, Iran and Hezbollah are the enemies and Sunni allies, including Saudi Arabia, who fear that Iran could disturb the balance of power in the entire Middle East region as well as inside their own country, Jordan and Egypt, are U.S. friends.

key players behind the U.S. redirection of policies in the region in general, and war-torn Iraq in particular, as the New Yorker columnist Seymour Hersh put it, are Vice-President Dick Cheney, the deputy national-security adviser Elliott Abrams, the departing Ambassador to Iraq (and nominee for United Nations Ambassador), Zalmay Khalilzad, and Prince Bandar bin Sultan, the Saudi national-security adviser. Rice is also believed to play a key role.

According to Hersh, attempts by the Bush administration to control the growth of Shia influence in the Middle East include funding "violent Sunni groups".

In one of his most recent articles, Hersh, a longtime investigative reporter and author, who forced the Abu Ghraib prison scandal out into the public after uncovering a report by Major General Antonio Taguba listing criminal abuses at the prison, states that the U.S. has been “pumping money, a great deal of money, without congressional authority, without any congressional oversight” to support covert anti-Shias operations in the Middle East to disrupt the spread of their influence and hegemony in the region.

The new approach has definitely made the possibility of military confrontation between the U.S. and Iran highly likely. It is also expected to fuel the sectarian strife in the Middle East, which deteriorated noticeably following the tensions Washington instigated in Iraq first day it invaded the country nearly four years ago, alleging it’s on a noble mission to plant the flag of liberty.

How far would the U.S. go to ensure Shias never rise to power, is what Hersh stated in his article, saying that the U.S. funds to anti Shia operations in the region have reached the hands of groups linked to Al Qaeda.

Hersh said that American, European, and Arab officials told him that the Lebanese Prime Minister Fouad Siniora and his government allies allowed aid money to reach the hands of emerging “radical groups”, believed to have links to Al Qaeda in the country, in the Bekaa Valley, and around Palestinian refugee camps in the south, in an attempt to fight and get rid of Hezbollah.

Washington has portrayed its support to what it describes as “democratic” governments as an example of President George W. Bush’s belief in “democracy”, a democray that brought unexpected destruction to Iraq and resulted in the death of hundreds of thousands of civilians.

The U.S.’s alleged support to what it calls liberal and democratic governments, like that of the Saudis and President Mubarak or Fouad Siniora, is the best concrete evidence of its new, unwise, and dangerous policy, it’ll be pursuing in the Middle East in the coming years.

After failing to use diplomacy or even war to achieve its goals and ensure extended hegemony, the U.S. is choosing to aid gangs and “extremist groups” to aggravate the strife between Sunnis and Shias, and make sure that Shias never gain power or influence that would endanger its agenda.
 

PazVerdeRadical

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them guys making policies for the u.s are surely not worried about letting the world see their true colours... damascus is the oldest city alive on earth today btw, which seems overly interesting to me.
 
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After failing to use diplomacy or even war to achieve its goals and ensure extended hegemony, the U.S. is choosing to aid gangs and “extremist groups” to aggravate the strife between Sunnis and Shias, and make sure that Shias never gain power or influence that would endanger its agenda.

This is their day to day modus operandi, its nothing new. They are forcing the region of the world into conflict, have been for some time, to enable them control..whilst at the same time raping the Iraqi oil reserves..sick fucks.

Off with his head!

Peace, hhf
 

leaddraft

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PrinceOfPersia said:
I have been saying this for over a year now to most of my friends, and now this article backs up what i always thought!

America is one evil mofo state.

I hate bush

I hate the american govt

I hate the hitlerstyle american goverment runs
Better watch out, they are on the lookout for ya....
:chin:


 

muddy waters

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sheik nasrallah (head of hezbollah), probably the cleverest motherfucker in the entire middle east, is interviewed at length in the hersh article and what he says is right on the money. this is divide & conquer 101. pit the sunnis and the shia against each other so a) they don't unite against the occupiers, and b) iraq is eventually split into 3 less powerful states, none of which can muster the power to even threaten israel or drive a hard bargain over oil contracts.

i wouldn't be surprised at all if the u.s. is eventually discovered to be culpable for the bombing of the golden dome mosque in samarra which ignited a lot of the ethnic cleansing. bush for one is already on record recommending a false flag operation (disguising a US plane as a UN plane and tempting saddam to shoot it down to provide causus belli) to tony blair. we also have the british soldiers who were caught dressing like arabs and carrying out covert actions. these guys (cheney, abrams especially) have no qualms about covertly funding genocide, they've already got a few such successes on their resumes (nam, laos, cambodia, el salvador, nicaragua, chile, et al).

they also have shown extreme disregard for stability and security in iraq, for instance the famous "we're fighting them over there so we don't have to fight them here", also known as "you guys get all the death and destruction; we get all the oil".

someone will have to stop the U.S. empire and my guess is it'll take a russian/chinese alliance. let us pray such a confrontation doesn't go nuclear. on the bright side, that would probably solve overpopulation and global warming.
 

genkisan

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It is not merely the US that is the problem...it is the entire patriarchal profit-based paradigm upon which human society has been based for the last 5000+ years.

Old, rich wrinkled men using food, vital resources and fear as a means of controlling the populace and perpetuating their malignant system.

This whole scene is nothing new...it is just being done on a very large scale with a higher tech level, with modern media lending a great big hand in the mind-control factor.

Corpo-Fascism, Naziism, Totalitarian Communism, Radical Islam, The Catholic Church (Inquisition times) and pretty much any other major instituitions dedicated to mass control and manipulation are all the product of the same thing: Misogynist men with small cocks and damaged egos, unable to deal psychologically with the biological disposability of being male.

Societies where women have a truely equal role in determining the direction of the society (very very rare) do not devolve into the horrible, impersonal engines of mass manipulation that have been prevalent for the last 5000+ years (since the advent of mono-culture farming and urban living).



Until we rid ourselves of this cult of greed, exploitation and profit we have developed over the last five millenia, we will continue to suffer the consequences...one of which is massive, abusive powers in charge....the other is ecological suicide and extinction.

Read the line in my signature by Konrad Heiden....he says it better than most......that's why I have it there.
 
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muddy waters

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genkisan truth spoken. but barring a reversal of the last 5000 years can we at least hold the current fucks accountable for what they've done?

peace
 

naga_sadu

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Though I'm no big fan of the actions of the US administration, most of our own regimes are anything but ideal. The fact that the United States has a bigger economy, military makes their actions more noticable in the world.

How's about India and Pakistan? Both sides are raving and ranting about machoistic nationalism ever since 1947, but as of today, life is a bitch for an Indian or a Pakistani who doesn't have $$$ to get a solid education and/or get a job. The "opportunity of a lifetime" for an average Indian or Pakistani without a solid financial background or professional skill is going to places like Saudi to clean bathrooms. Pa-fuckin'-THETIC!

And between Iran/Iraq, when Abd-Al-Karim Kassim was on the verge of establishing Iraq as a Socialist Republic, the Iranian regime next door played the "Kurdish card" to incite unrest between the Kurds and the Iraqis, fearing a Socialist revolution spreading inside its borders. Also, even "fellow Arabs" like Abdul Nasser incited revolt within Iraq- collaborating with the CIA- and effectively, removed a populist Kassim regime and replaced it with a militaristic one led by Al Bakr. Nasser acted against Kassim because he didn't want IRaq to be a part of the UAR, something which Al Bakr supported.

And look at the UAR. Gemal Abdul Nasser was the implementor and Naugib was the planner. Yet, as time progressed, Nasser got greedy and had no qualms putting Naugib under house arrest, stripping him of all his powers and taking over all aspects of the country and eventually leading the UAR into disasterous ill prepared military adventures, which would lead to the rise of poster boy buffoons like Sadat and Mobarak.

And how's about the Peoples Republic of China, that supported Pol Pot, only to counter Vietnam, which was pro USSR, during the Sino-Soviet rift. Even if he was going on a genocidal spree.

These are only a few examples. The issue isin't US or UK or Iran, it's opportunism and elitism. As long as these concepts dominate the annals of foreign policy making- no matter what country you're at- you're going to see blood strife and secretarian violence. Even if the US were to suddenly dissapear from the world map tomorrow, as long as opportunism and elitism runs loose, we'll be seeing disaster after disaster. IT's just that the ones carrying out the attrocities will have different excuses and the occupying armies will sport different flag patches.

What I'm getting @ is: Elitism and opportunism are humanity's #1 terrorist threats. Primarily because both those concepts promote a single faceted, narrow minded approach to governance and policy making, which more often than not, are disasterous to both the local as well as the global populus...
 
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PazVerdeRadical

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one of the assumptions that have been suspect within my thought process regarding motives for the current wars is the fact that everyone is so ready and willing to identify oil-profits as the main driving motivating force.
everyone is so convinced there is an energy crisis and that we are at the brink of total chaos...

so i had to undust one old book, called 'the dawn of magic' by louis pauwels and jaques bergier. the main theme of the book is to describe the vastly different view on reality that the national socialism of the third reich had.
one interesting thing to note is that they believed the sun, moon and stars were in fact inside the planet earth, and that the planet was hollow and that we lived on the inner-surface of this sphere :yoinks:
all of these nazi ideologies and sciences all had their pretty theory to back them up as well as counter-arguments against the world-view that dominates today. the biggest war we have seen so far was being fought for reasons that a lot of people even today ignore.

just some food for thought,.

paz.
 
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I don't think it has anything to do with gender roles but rather; you must change things for things to change. The same old groups, institutions, gangs, affiliates, parties, clubs, etc... elect the same kinds of people over and over because those same people advance the same groups that they always come from. It's an endless cycle and they get voted in because people choose who they believe is the lesser of 2 evils instead of who is actually right for the job. The stigma is still so strong against fledgling parties that anyone but Rep. or Dem. virtually have a none-existant chance of election. Which I personally believe is intentionally perpetuated by the parties who gain from less opponents. Just as mj myths are intentionally perpetuated by those who have something to gain from the myths or nothing to gain from truth (drug companies). If a guy (or woman) actually from/among/of "the people" ran for President; what kind of chance do you think he would actually stand? How would a man "of the people" afford to fund a campaign? How would he "prove" himself when questioned about experience in diplomatic relations, big business, laws, finances, etc...? Afterall, most people don't have experience in these fields; not on a govt scale. I don't think it's an accident/coincidence that someone who is closest to "the people" really has no chance of being able to make the decisions that effect "the people"

J.

J.
 

genkisan

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muddy waters said:
genkisan truth spoken. but barring a reversal of the last 5000 years can we at least hold the current fucks accountable for what they've done?

peace


By all means......that goes without saying.


But fixing the problem we face will not happen because some evil guilty people get blamed, or because all the folks who mean well "try to change" or any such trite idealistic crystal-waving hoohaa.

The only way I see it as getting fixed in the long term is thru extreme trauma to the species as a whole.......we have to realize our fragility on this planet....every single one of us, and make ALL the sacrifices needed to continue our species with a long term view.

The only way I see that kind of species wide lesson happening is thru a graphic demonstration of how badly we have fucked up that leaves an indelible scar on the conciousness of humanity and teaches the basic fact that we have better things to do than exploit our neighbour for profit.

And the only lesson I can think of that will be sufficient for that total of a paradigm shift to occur and last is near total extinction........a die off of at least 90% of the present global population...for reasons so undeniably the fault of humans that the survivors will have to change their entire paradigm in the hopes of averting a reoccurance in the future.
The most probable (and best in the long term) way I see this die of happening is thru plagues....esp as anti-biotic use skyrockets in Asia, and animal husbandry gets more and more industrial...allowing for way more species cross-over mutations. All it takes is an aerosol-contagious ebola variant with a 6 week incubation period..........or anything similar.

There are WAY too many people who will not change their paradigm, lifestyle or comforts for any reason to think that we can change the situation by wishing it will go away, or organizing neighborhood composting and stuff, or even by buying hybrid cars and making windpower......the human species has gotten itself into a very very big fucking mess, and it ain't gonna get out without some serious shit hitting the fan.
We have to grow up as a species and stop being the earth-sucking, squalling little infant we are now, not able to control ourselves, nor able to wipe our own ass, collectively or otherwise.

The shit will hit the fan one way or another.....whether there are humans on this planet afterwards, and whether the biosphere can even support human life afterwards depends on how soon the die-off hits.......

I plan to set my family up in a totally independant manner before that time(ASAP)...far away in the bush, and well above sea-level. Then mebbe if there is a future for humanity, my kids can be part of it............cause that's really how the future is to be secured: By raising your kids to be people who live DIFFERENTLY and in manner that is viable in the long term, and giving them a place to do it in.

It will NOT be secured by continuing the status quo (whether due to ignorance or apathy) and letting your kids believe that this cancerous, exploitative and toxic malignacy version of human society we seem to be so proud of is the only possible reality.
 
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naga_sadu

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There are WAY too many people who will not change their paradigm, lifestyle or comforts for any reason to think that we can change the situation by wishing it will go away, or organizing neighborhood composting and stuff, or even by buying hybrid cars and making windpower.....

Don't lose heart so fast, Genki. There's still some hope....

Havana, Feb 26 (ACN) An experimental wind farm was inaugurated over the weekend in the Isle of Youth, south of Havana, with the presence of Cuban Vice President Carlos Lage.

The inauguration of the experimental wind farm reveals Cuba's intentions to explore the use of this kind of technology and know its major providers in the world, said Carlos Lage.

The new centre includes six 55-meter-high towers with capacity to generate 1,65 Megawatts, which is considered a significant contribution to the local territory, since that output stands for 10 percent of the energy required by the municipality during peak consumption hours. The synchronization of the new technology, of French origin, with the national electric system will save the country some 450 tons of fuel oil annually.

Marc Vegnet, president of the French company that provided the technology, underscored the work done by Cuban workers and engineers with the project and highlighted the efforts by the Cuban Revolution to boost the national energy program.

Carlos Lage said that another wind farm is being raised in the eastern Cuban province of Holguin, with Chinese and Spanish technology. He said the facility is expected to enter operations this year.

Lage explained that the Cuban wind energy program is expected to produce 17 megawatts, an output that would be added to the national electric production in order to save fossil fuel.

http://www.cubanews.ain.cu/2007/feb26parqueeolico.htm

Hopefully, they'll expand on the outreach and slowly do away w/ or at least minimise fossil fuels. Hey, it may not be a start you or I would hope for but hey, it's a start. Let's hope they maintain the tempo and others follow suit. Most people by and large (at least the ones I know) seem to want change but need a "system" to provide the initiative, unfortunately. Hopefully this one small project will convince at least a few other larger powers to follow suit (even for SURE not the US considering the entrenchment of the oil corpos in their decision making processes).

But I totally get your point, though. It's good to be prepared for the long run as you rightfully stated, but hey- maybe this is one of the many small incidents that could go a long way in preventing our species' oblivion...

One thing worth noticing is that this proj is taken up as a major national initiative- which is a positive sign for SURE even if its small at the moment. Heh, some hope and a little bit of good news is a welcome sign in this elitist run fucked up era.
 
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genkisan

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It is good news, naga, but thinking wee things like that are gonna help the big picture is like offering an asprin and a couple of band-aids to someone who just got shot with a 12 gauge.

As long as the Corpo-Nazis are allowed to put next quarters profits ahead of the survival of our species....we are fucked.
 

naga_sadu

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It is good news, naga, but thinking wee things like that are gonna help the big picture is like offering an asprin and a couple of band-aids to someone who just got shot with a 12 gauge.

I agree, as I stated even earlier, it's a very minescule step, but hopefully, it will grow bigger with time, we'll have to wait and see. I'm not suggesting anyone to lower their guard, just thought I'd pointcha out to an Oasis in the otherwise hostile desert...

Hey- we can't expect corpo-kappi'ism to fall overnight because it didn't form overnight either, it was gradual and systematic. So, we can't expect any change away from corpo-kappi'ism to be ultra drastic either, to be realistic. Just as a small, minescule seed gives rise to a 4 meter tall mj plant, which keeps a person's lungs filled and mental apetites quenched ;) I'd welcome every change, that digresses away from parasitic corporatism, no matter how small it is. Hey- it has to start SOMEWHERE, right?
 
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fr33th3w33d

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america is a refferee in a civil war, it's no secret that we need to:
a) get the fuck out
b) let someone take control
and c) leave that shit alone

the obvious problems with my blatantly genious plan include oil money, corruption and bold faced liars in the white house.

my problem is not entirely with the war.. but with the fact that most americans want to get out but our sense of "government" has been so warped that we fail to understand the true basis of this country which is only 200+ years old. WE give the politicians power, so they should be listening to US , and if they don't.. get them the fuck out of office.

what are the means to go about an impeachment? is it only a congressional thing, cause i'd love to put our current puppet behind bars awaiting execution for war crimes.

too bad americans don't care enough about politics to start riots and show the higher up's we don't want their bullshit anymore, like half of the middle east does. instead of riots and civil disobedience, we have assholes in suits talking on CNN.
 

o.gkushowns

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I agree that America may have it's problems but comparing it to Nazi Germany is a bit extreme. I mean they did attempt to whipe out an entire race.

That's what i hate about Marc Emery when he uses childish ass words like American guluags and Gestapos. He's making the cannabis community look like paranoid freaks who believe they've been abducted by UFOs.
peace
 

genkisan

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fr33th3w33d said:
what are the means to go about an impeachment? is it only a congressional thing, cause i'd love to put our current puppet behind bars awaiting execution for war crimes.


Fucking A man!!!!
 

genkisan

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o.gkushowns said:
I agree that America may have it's problems but comparing it to Nazi Germany is a bit extreme. I mean they did attempt to whipe out an entire race.


The Americans tried too.....it just took them longer and was a less intensive effort.Those Native Americans who did not die by the sword, gun, bottle or diseased blanket had their entire culture and heritage destroyed and their way of life ripped from them, leaving them a decimated and broken people.


No matter the method, or the disguise it comes in, the malignant, patriarchal greed-oriented paradigm of which I speak always has the same results.....exploitation, decimation and depletion of resources (both human and otherwise), destruction of culture and knowledge and radical imbalances in wealth and resource distribution.
 

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