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chak-ra

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Hi Sam

Thanks for the reply!

As for your questions:

- Several seeds were grown to find 2 suitable mothers.
- One of those mothers expressed some bleached and curled leafs when young
- It was just in 3 of the 9 branches, more here and there than systematically
- The buds (both albino and normal) were identical in appearance, size, trichome production, smell and calyx size
- Sometimes the bud on the left would be normal, while the bud on the right is an albino
- in the biggest colas it also appeared as a part of the bud, sometimes 50-50.
- I estimate we got a good 15g of albino-buds of one plant

- of the original mother, 3 plants were put out to flower, only one expressed albino buds

We didn't take any clones of the white buds... maybe it will show itself again (if genetic?)? Otherwise I'd think of a virus of somekind? You know more?

About taste and effect compared to the normal buds of this plant, I'll let you know as soon as I've tested them together with THC123.

The pink coloration is indeed induced by cold, no extreme cold btw. -- the albino buds were much more sensitive to a pink coloration --> something to do with the lack of chlorophill?

Cheers

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Sam_Skunkman

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Check out these links.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10849347
The Arabidopsis immutans mutation affects plastid differentiation and the morphogenesis of white and green sectors in variegated plants.
variegation mutant of Arabidopsis has green and white leaf sectors due to the action of a nuclear recessive gene, IMMUTANS (IM)

http://www.clivias.com/Articles/Article016.htm
Cytoplasmic Inheritance

Mutations, Recombinations, Sports and chimaerae
http://www.globalgardens.com/mutations-a.html

Autumn leaf color

A selected purple-leaf cultivar of European beech
The reds, the purples, and their blended combinations that decorate autumn foliage come from anthocyanins. Unlike the carotenoids, these pigments are not present in the leaf throughout the growing season, but are actively produced towards the end of summer.[24] They develop in late summer in the sap of the cells of the leaf, and this development is the result of complex interactions of many influences, both inside and outside the plant. Their formation depends on the breakdown of sugars in the presence of bright light as the level of phosphate in the leaf is reduced.[25]
Anthocyanins are present in about 10% of tree species in temperate regions, although in certain areas such as New England, up to 70% of tree species may produce the pigment.[24]
Many science textbooks incompletely state that autumn coloration (including red) is the result of breakdown of green chlorophyll, which unmasks the already-present orange, yellow, and red pigments (carotenoids, xanthophylls, and anthocyanins, respectively). While this is indeed the case for the carotenoids and xanthophylls (orange and yellow pigments), anthocyanins are not synthesized until the plant has begun breaking down the chlorophyll.[24]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anthocyanin#Autumn_leaf_color



The plants reds and purple colors can be cold induced or not require any cold, just grow them and they will have colors. Or
both.

Most of my plants with white leaves or flowers have serious problems with vigor and yield, as well as maintenance of the clones.
I would love to have an all white clone like this. Next time take clones of the white veg areas and save them, and use them to make plants to flower. Maybe all white?
-SamS

chak-ra said:
Hi Sam

Thanks for the reply!

As for your questions:

- Several seeds were grown to find 2 suitable mothers.
- One of those mothers expressed some bleached and curled leafs when young
- It was just in 3 of the 9 branches, more here and there than systematically
- The buds (both albino and normal) were identical in appearance, size, trichome production, smell and calyx size
- Sometimes the bud on the left would be normal, while the bud on the right is an albino
- in the biggest colas it also appeared as a part of the bud, sometimes 50-50.
- I estimate we got a good 15g of albino-buds of one plant

- of the original mother, 3 plants were put out to flower, only one expressed albino buds

We didn't take any clones of the white buds... maybe it will show itself again (if genetic?)? Otherwise I'd think of a virus of somekind? You know more?

About taste and effect compared to the normal buds of this plant, I'll let you know as soon as I've tested them together with THC123.

The pink coloration is indeed induced by cold, no extreme cold btw. -- the albino buds were much more sensitive to a pink coloration --> something to do with the lack of chlorophill?

Cheers

:tiphat:
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chak-ra

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Thanks Sam

looked at the available literature. But could not find anything on purple resin heads or purple trichome stalks... Is this the same kind of reason the leaves turn purple/red? Or is it like it has been said on the ICmag forum somewhere, a substitute for the amber coloration of (overly) ripe resin?



I'll update a few pictures of the big White Jones shortly.

After the harvest, we left the small popcorn buds on the plant, for as long as it didn't freeze outside. The pretty bush stood there without any water, any care other sort of attention for 6 weeks after the harvest.
Everything turned purple. Some buds did the 'albino'-trick and formed very small albino buds, with purple resin heads. The rest of the resin remained milky-amber with deep purple stalks.
Great to see the other phenotype we have grown show some late albinoism.

I also excavated the rootball at the start of the stem.
As you will see on the picture update, the roots shot through the soil pretty easily. One of the bigger roots went all the way to the side, through the clay ground that we walked on, trying to get in to the other box (approx 3m away!).
The stem itself was a good 12cm in diameter.

Now, time to upload one of the final picture sessions for this thread.

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chak-ra

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(PART 1 OF 4)

An overview of the plant

At harvest time:

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6 weeks later:

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The boneyard:

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chak-ra

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Of course we will. Preparations and planning is already started.

We're hoping to improve on:

- Hygene
- Climate conditions
- Pest control
- Documentation


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Gil Tokerson

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Someone should nominate that last purple bud shot for potm. I don't really know how, butt if no else does, I'll figure it out. Beautiful!
-gil
 
Mister_D

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chak-ra said:
Of course we will. Preparations and planning is already started.

We're hoping to improve on:

- Hygene
- Climate conditions
- Pest control
- Documentation


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Awesome :biggrin:. Be sure to drop a link in this thread so I can find ya next year.
 
chak-ra

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Thx guys

We will surely post a link to season 2 :)

Now a couple of winter months ahead doing administration and preparing for next season.
We hope to start season 2 around April 1st.

We'll post smoke reports etc. as we go.

Cheers

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chak-ra

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Thanks gnome!

Yeah we saw a few cool things this season.
Hopefully next season I'll have a better camera to record everything and to shoot some better macro pictures.

Cheers!
 
Mc__Nugget

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I was wondering what kind of soil mix you were using and how much per plant. How about feeding? Just pure water or were you hitting them with some extra nutrients? Thanks, awesome grow too btw.
 
T

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They only received water and where topdressed with the same soil they where planted in once. And I peed on them :laughing: (j/k)

Chak-ra knows the details bout the soil.
 
Ph-patrol

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This thread is simply crazy.Your green house is like a utopia and its got me re-obsessed with building a green house. Sorry to say I have not read every thing yet, but i was like a child racing for the next picture.
Outstanding
 
chak-ra

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Hey guys

Thanks for the kind replies.

As for the soil details:

- NPK: 14-18-16, organic compost and perlite
- Adds: MgO2 + Ca + Clay and loam (mixed in at 50 cm depth)
- Organics: Mycorrhizal fungi, Bacteria, Worm castings, Bat guano, Buffer-tabs
- pH soil: between 6,4 and 6,7
- Watering: rain water (pH unchecked! because of the huge soil buffer)
- Liquid nutrients: none
- Volume per plant: > 400l + full soil (loam and clay at the bottom)


Next season we'll top-layer the soil with clover, mint, lavender and garlic. To keep pests away and make sure the soil will have enough Nitrogen in it.

Wonderfull how nature works!


The fact you don't need to check your pH, no need to feed them any extras, makes this a very easy and healthy way to grow.
Also the taste and smell of the end product is much more pronounced in my humble opinion.


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Thanks for nominating the WJ for POTM!
 
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