which soilmix hold the water at best guerilla outdoors?

[NewAgeGenetics]

hello

I heard that when 50% coco is mixed into the soil don't really need to water while the whole season?

is it true?

any other good idea?

I have a good place to grow but there is no available water there and I dont want to attent the spot too often.

thinking on a good soil mix what would hold the spring rain water for a long time.

 

[Bradley_Danks]

Not sure on the coco but I think vermiculite would hold in more moisture than lava rock or perlite if u choose to use an aggregate.

 

[NewAgeGenetics]

perlit is not

 

[Bradley_Danks]

Folks like to put those beads that soak up water in their soil so it will water the plants when they dry out. Never done it but heard of folks doing that.

 

[eighty9concentr]

Coco holds water pretty well but not enough were you wouldn't have to water all season. I don't gorilla grow but i have used a coco/perlite mix outdoors before in 200g pots and i had to water every 2-3 days towards the end of the season when it was really hot out side and the plants were huge

 

[NewAgeGenetics]

composted cow manure?

 

[Scrappy-doo]

You want a good quality soil, water crystals, compost, and mulch. Perlite wouldn't hurt to add some airation.

 

[NewAgeGenetics]

how many gramms water crystals should I use per pot?

talk about a 100 gal hole = 378 liter soil mix... local soil / coco / compost mix.

 

[BAKED_BEANZ]

whats the rainfall like ? bro . need to take that into consideration . i,m thinking theres not much if your looking at options that you are .

i use a handful of water crystals straight under each plant when planted in the guirella style .sit them right on top . that way i know there roots have got moisture for first month at least when its hot and there getting there roots in . you can mix them through the soil . but thats how i found worked best for less casualties and stress .

as long as you mulch you should be good to go . lesson learnt here for me skipping for the first time . i,m not even sure i,d bother with coco if your soils ok. just lay down extra mulch instead . put some slow release down before the mulch .

 

[tech1234]

whats the rainfall like ? bro . need to take that into consideration . i,m thinking theres not much if your looking at options that you are .

i use a handful of water crystals straight under each plant when planted in the guirella style .sit them right on top . that way i know there roots have got moisture for first month at least when its hot and there getting there roots in . you can mix them through the soil . but thats how i found worked best for less casualties and stress .

as long as you mulch you should be good to go . lesson learnt here for me skipping for the first time . i,m not even sure i,d bother with coco if your soils ok. just lay down extra mulch instead . put some slow release down before the mulch .

I agree with this!

 

[NewAgeGenetics]

yes, slow release fert is a must.

5 gramm water crystals hold 2 litre water, and the best ratio is 8:1 (soil / water crystal)

they say better to use "wet" crystal than in dry stage.

so 378 liter guerilla soil mix (336 liter soil + 42 liter wet crystal) ...42 liter wet crystal = 105 gramm dried crystal.

yo

 

[BAKED_BEANZ]

yeah wet mate , so they get put in sitting right on top of a handful . you don't want much more than that . you don't want a root rot situation down the track if you get heavy rains . once that mulch activates they will hardly miss the rain. you water at all ? they last for 30 days every time ground gets wet they re absorb.

either way its the best way to start the seedlings in the field . no way i,d be putting 42 litres of wet water crystal in that size hole . not a chance . your looking for trouble there . 3/4 /5 litres wet crystal mixed through hole . with mulch . thats if your not watering or expecting rain . unless your in the desert or something .
you know my climates hot as all hell little rain till bud season then not even that(rain) last few years . and i use a handful . but i do water here and there depending . but even when i didn't . was still handful plenty mulch

best way is trial it . do a few with certain amount of litres i guess . but 42 is crazy talk maybe in a 1500 litre hole .

 

[NewAgeGenetics]

I dont want root rot so I plan to mix it very well into the soil...

1. I dig a 100 gal hole
2. soak 105 gramm crystal to 42 liter water
3. mix the soil with the wet crystal and slow release fert and coco and compost

than let it alone for some days, than plant and mulch the top of the soil

yo

probably 20 liter wet crystal is enough! I dont want bud rot at the last stage of flowering because the too much water.

Is the water crystal effect the taste of the buds?

 

[NewAgeGenetics]

thanks bro!

so 42 liter is too much, yea probably... lol

so 5 litres wet crystal is enough for a 100 gal (380 liter) hole?

(the guy says thats 5-7 gramm dry crystal = 1 liter, but on the video 5 gramm soak to 2 liter)

which can be the true? 5 gramm produce 1 or 2 liter wet crystal?

yeah wet mate , so they get put in sitting right on top of a handful . you don't want much more than that . you don't want a root rot situation down the track if you get heavy rains . once that mulch activates they will hardly miss the rain. you water at all ? they last for 30 days every time ground gets wet they re absorb.

either way its the best way to start the seedlings in the field . no way i,d be putting 42 litres of wet water crystal in that size hole . not a chance . your looking for trouble there . 3/4 /5 litres wet crystal mixed through hole . with mulch . thats if your not watering or expecting rain . unless your in the desert or something .
you know my climates hot as all hell little rain till bud season then not even that(rain) last few years . and i use a handful . but i do water here and there depending . but even when i didn't . was still handful plenty mulch

best way is trial it . do a few with certain amount of litres i guess . but 42 is crazy talk maybe in a 1500 litre hole .

 

[Lester Beans]

I used to put 4-5" gravel, course stuff, in the bottom of the hole, acts like a well/res. Vermiculite and coco work well, coco drys out quicker tho.

Water crystals work well as described on the package.

 

[BAKED_BEANZ]

man 5 / 10 litres wet mixed through , max , you expecting no rain at all ?? whats the rainfall there ? do you get a good day or 2 every 30 days or so ? and are you going to water at all ?(we need to know the answer to these 4 questions )


you need to test few different ones with different amounts . least you know for next time .

 

[NewAgeGenetics]

LOL!!! good idea about the return to there original form... no crystal at this year!

I know myself and I'd stress on this shit lol

soil/coco/compost/slow release fert ...enough!

never used vermiculite. how much should I add from this?

we have rains in Spring and at Fall. not much in July, August, September

I usually water once a week the plants at Summer in mulched coco+soil mix.

 

[BAKED_BEANZ]

just drop handful in straight under the seedling , its worked for me for many years . its good piece of mind and helps them recover a lot i used to lose a few here and there before i started that ,but my temps are prob a lot different too . oh you caught it before editing: about them drying out . i took it out cause its only my assumption not a fact . but logically its what would happen . but not if you get rain or you water . think you,d be safe with some mixed through the hole . just don't go nuts .

by the way our pm the other day regarding soil temps , i was correct . hot soil can lead to early flowering . it was confirmed for me by a reputable source . i knew it . one time i skipped something it bit me . i,ve mulched for 10 years . first time i don't , boom . doesn't matter anyways . buds weren't affected just yield bit of plant health . its done now you can bet on that .

 

[NewAgeGenetics]

saw you album pix... about the pre-growing I'd say shorter time is the better before you put the plant into the final pot! /smaller plants won't flowering so easily/

 

[BAKED_BEANZ]

nah man , you were kind of right , but i,ve been doing this along time . this is first time ever bit me . i told you it was something else , but thought you were kind of right at the time . but why in the first time in 15 years it be so bad . thing is some continued flower didn't even re veg . in the past if slightly early there was no question they re veg in a month . this was different . funnily enough now i,ve mulched . some have started to re veg . which won't work out for me to much either being so late . hay lesson learned here . never skip on a system you have had . thats been proven

the proof is a full budded plant finished under 15 hours of light outside . hot soil = forced flower . it was / is bloody hot summer though . i figured since they were getting enough water they were fine wrong . go to my album tell me a gth#! should bud under 15 hours of light .

anyway you know how i play , don't matter in the big picture .