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CAVOSZIA1 said:
My money is on TK's math and experience... verses... your "thinking so"
How many grows do you have under your belt?
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My money is on TK's math and experience... verses... your "thinking so"
How many grows do you have under your belt?
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Think again, it will be 4-5 months, trust me.
Let's say you start your seeds on August 1, 2005
1-2 week to sprout and get to a size and strength that they can handle bigger lights. August 15, 2005
6-8 weeks in veg, seed have to reach sexual maturity before they will flower and that is about average for how long that takes. October 1, 2005
10 days to 3 weeks for them to show sex. October 15, 2005
6-8 weeks more to determine which female (based on harvest results) is the one you want to run 45 clones of. There will be some variation in your female population and there will be some standouts to select from. December 15th or so.
Take 45 cuttings from selected mother/mothers, I think you will need multiple donor/mother plants to pull that many cuts at once.
1-2 weeks to root and be ready to transplant(you will loose a few in this process so you may want to take a few extra just in case) January 1, 2006
2-3 weeks to get your clones to 10"-12" tall. January 15 or so
8-10+ weeks later you are harvesting your first 45 plant clone run. end of March, first of April.
Oh, you were right it won't be 4-5 months, it will be longer it looks like.
Where can you shave time off that process?
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Let's say you start your seeds on August 1, 2005
1-2 week to sprout and get to a size and strength that they can handle bigger lights. August 15, 2005
6-8 weeks in veg, seed have to reach sexual maturity before they will flower and that is about average for how long that takes. October 1, 2005
10 days to 3 weeks for them to show sex. October 15, 2005
6-8 weeks more to determine which female (based on harvest results) is the one you want to run 45 clones of. There will be some variation in your female population and there will be some standouts to select from. December 15th or so.
Take 45 cuttings from selected mother/mothers, I think you will need multiple donor/mother plants to pull that many cuts at once.
1-2 weeks to root and be ready to transplant(you will loose a few in this process so you may want to take a few extra just in case) January 1, 2006
2-3 weeks to get your clones to 10"-12" tall. January 15 or so
8-10+ weeks later you are harvesting your first 45 plant clone run. end of March, first of April.
Oh, you were right it won't be 4-5 months, it will be longer it looks like.
Where can you shave time off that process?
Tex
TK i see what u mean when u look at flowering 2 choose your mom lol i am a newbie............**************************************....lol..****************************************************** TK i know u'r reading this lol....*************************************
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Put your seed in hydro? explain that one please
I have seen this done only one time by a truely skilled cat. He put the seed right on top of his grow media and put a drip emitter right above it. It worked but you don't gain any time from it.
A seed, from soak to seedling takes a couple of weeks no matter how you do it.
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I have seen this done only one time by a truely skilled cat. He put the seed right on top of his grow media and put a drip emitter right above it. It worked but you don't gain any time from it.
A seed, from soak to seedling takes a couple of weeks no matter how you do it.
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To do it all from seed, meaning you were going to get to your final number of 45 by using male/female seedstock and cull out the males, you would need to start 80-100 seeds to insure that you would have the 45 females that you are looking for.
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TK i see what u mean when u look at flowering 2 choose your mom lol i am a newbie............where are the clones at how bout that.....lol...lets partition this thread i need clones C'mon people TK i know u'r reading this lol......i bet u got wsome kick ass genetics
If your a self admitted newb(nothing at all wrong with that at all) your gettin way over your head from the get go. Get (1) 4x4 and (1) 1000 watt HPS and see what you can do with that first. No need to kill 3 tables worth of plant in the learning process. Then as your skill level improves yu can grow your setup a little. 3k and (3) 4x4 tables would be a handfull for me to manage and I can kind of grow a little.
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TK i see what u mean when u look at flowering 2 choose your mom lol i am a newbie............where are the clones at how bout that.....lol...lets partition this thread i need clones C'mon people TK i know u'r reading this lol......i bet u got wsome kick ass genetics
If your a self admitted newb(nothing at all wrong with that at all) your gettin way over your head from the get go. Get (1) 4x4 and (1) 1000 watt HPS and see what you can do with that first. No need to kill 3 tables worth of plant in the learning process. Then as your skill level improves yu can grow your setup a little. 3k and (3) 4x4 tables would be a handfull for me to manage and I can kind of grow a little.
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( passes TK the bong and an ice pack ) keep slugging brother, I think the light might be starting to turn on now.......ROFLMAO...ya got the patience of Job there TK.
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TK you have much patience. I would have laid it down and split. When I started out I had no preconceived notion as to How Much I would produce or such a variety of goods to get started with. Let Cavo make the mistakes we did (They seem to Want to learn the hard way).
Cavo Hard headed people (I am one) get let down Hard when they set unrealistic goals. Using 3000 watts will be too much heat to control in a 4 X 8 set up. You will be able to pull a more substancial harvest with a few less headaches if you listen to reason. Use the money you save in NOT purchasing the extra 1000 (and the A/C unit you Will need and the electricity to run it all) and buy a good book on growing. If you have the 1000 already then save it for backup or set it up in another space. You are making it hard for people to help you.
Cavo Hard headed people (I am one) get let down Hard when they set unrealistic goals. Using 3000 watts will be too much heat to control in a 4 X 8 set up. You will be able to pull a more substancial harvest with a few less headaches if you listen to reason. Use the money you save in NOT purchasing the extra 1000 (and the A/C unit you Will need and the electricity to run it all) and buy a good book on growing. If you have the 1000 already then save it for backup or set it up in another space. You are making it hard for people to help you.
I take it your going for hydro due to the reusable growth mediums available? Due to the yield you want, I would say clones are the only way to go as disposing of that many males is hassly due to the time and space given to them to find out their sex. No one here will send you clones so give up on that one before you start. Your going to have to make your own. That will take time as TK has taken so much time to say. So why buy 3 lights now when you can only use 1. Also the cost of all those seeds would cut into your budget a little. So now you've asked and found out, even though the answers were to questions you didn't ask, isn't this place great.
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So far Cavo has balked at every turn. They have asked for clones on the open boards and misrepresented themself as not a newb only to admit being a newbie. They have set unrealistic goals and questioned every bit of advice given about the lighting they propose. Stop wasting your time people. I would strongly suggest not investing too much time with this person (unless you want to go grow for them) until they have come back from whatever trip they are on.
lol this place is unbelivable fa real....but its alright......as far as previous grows are concerned the 1st 1 a plant died because i was away for the working and my girl was seriously sick and a dripper got clogged for a dayand in hydro we know what that means (DEATH) the 2nd grow was DWC style and i let the bucket dry out for way too long (LAZY) and the ones that did survive i let them get about 5' tall before flippin lights and i moved and didnt touch their water for about 3 weeks so the PH was off just LIL bit (lol) so i am pretty confident i can handle my 3 lights.... as far as seeds go i will get some pop em sex them and rely on the looks of the mothers to see which 1's will get table space thank u
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CAVOSZIA1 said:
Yep... i'm pretty confident you can run 3000W based on your previous level of commitment and success rate... grow on... you will be a cash cropper in no time.
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CAVO a couple of really good experienced growers have given ya advice based on your request as to what you should do. If Texas Kid can only grow a little, then I can't grow at all. Grow on with yourself and prove us all wrong.
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Cavo,
Im not trying to be an ass.....BUT....you really need to get a FEW SUCCESSFUL GROWS
before attempting anything of the caliber your discussing.
stick to this tried and true method
K.I.S.S= Keep It Simple STUPID
take it from a fellow newb even though i have a TON of gardening experience.
You will be much happier when you have a successful small grow then when you jump in head first and get overwhelmed. Good luck and READ READ READ!!!
Im not trying to be an ass.....BUT....you really need to get a FEW SUCCESSFUL GROWS
before attempting anything of the caliber your discussing.
stick to this tried and true method
K.I.S.S= Keep It Simple STUPID
take it from a fellow newb even though i have a TON of gardening experience.
You will be much happier when you have a successful small grow then when you jump in head first and get overwhelmed. Good luck and READ READ READ!!!
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CAVOSZIA1 said:
Either your throwin your best sarcasm out there or you really don't have a clue. We always say" you don't even know what you don't know"
How do you run a DWC setup dry?
5' before flippin to 12/12, you must be kidding
You can go without a drip emitter clogged for awhile as well, especially in a DWC setup.
Your going to run 4 or 5 plants on a 4x4? I ask only because you say your selecting from your seed stock you have in route and even with a decent male/female ratio you are still only looking at only 5-6 females at best from 10 seeds. How many seeds ya got comin?
Your own accounts of your previous grows tell me that you don't have the passion and should probably continue to buy your smoke, farmin is not for you. Maybe a Chia pet would be more suited to your talents.
In contrast to your inattention, I check my grow op 7 or 8 times a day and that's during the work week, the weekends can be more than that.
I run a 4x4 with 1200w of light above it, all day everyday. rotating out maybe 8-10 harvest a year. The process your looking for info on is my expertise. I am not makin this shit up, I am trying to help you set some realistic goals so you won't be totally discouraged by your final outcome and look like a total retard in process.
All that being said, I am with Maistre. You are ready for the big leagues now. Go spend 500-800 bucks on some gear, 100 bucks or so on some badass genetics, and get to killin(oops) I ment growin
I'm done gang, between this cat and Deeloc I feel like I am teachin a "special ed" class. Where is the short bus when you need one?
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All aboard , eh TK ! haha. Some ppl u just can't help , no matter how much u try. He'll see soon enough what it's really all about !
BEEEEP, BEEEEP, BEEEEEP did somebody call for a bus !
BEEEEP, BEEEEP, BEEEEEP did somebody call for a bus !
LOL. Hey Kid don't let this shit get ya all worked up ! IT'S NOT WORTH IT ! We all know what side the bread is buttered on. I get the impression this guy thinks that because it's " hydro " it will grow way faster than it will.... probably got the idea from an article out of HT mag. or something of the likes...." GROW BUD 30 % FASTER IN HYDRO " lol... who knows... One things for sure he's going to learn the hard way ! Maybe this guy is really Tred Barta ( from the outdoor life network ) and HAS to do it the hard way, the Barta way... hehehe......... Hey TK take it light, and stay safe
later... BC
BEEEEP, BEEEEP, BEEEEEP did somebody call for a bus !
LOL. Hey Kid don't let this shit get ya all worked up ! IT'S NOT WORTH IT ! We all know what side the bread is buttered on. I get the impression this guy thinks that because it's " hydro " it will grow way faster than it will.... probably got the idea from an article out of HT mag. or something of the likes...." GROW BUD 30 % FASTER IN HYDRO " lol... who knows... One things for sure he's going to learn the hard way ! Maybe this guy is really Tred Barta ( from the outdoor life network ) and HAS to do it the hard way, the Barta way... hehehe......... Hey TK take it light, and stay safe
later... BC
How do you run a DWC setup dry?
I just fucking peed myself!
I just fucking peed myself!
"For your first grow with quality genetics any one of them will kick your ass but also being a first grow, you could just as likely scrap the whole run for one reason or another."
i love Tex's brute honesty.... he can hard ass sometimes, but he reminds me alot of my uncle... just realistic, thats all....
that being said.. the only way hes goin to learn, though, is threw experience... he can read all he wants on what it takes to be a "succesful" grower... but in reality.... its alot harder said than done... if it your first grow... ide pick up a pack of nirvanas white rhino or widow...
"loose lips sink ships" stay safe, and good growin
i love Tex's brute honesty.... he can hard ass sometimes, but he reminds me alot of my uncle... just realistic, thats all....
that being said.. the only way hes goin to learn, though, is threw experience... he can read all he wants on what it takes to be a "succesful" grower... but in reality.... its alot harder said than done... if it your first grow... ide pick up a pack of nirvanas white rhino or widow...
"loose lips sink ships" stay safe, and good growin
