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Where to move in Oregon to find friendly areas for OMMP Greenhouse cultivation!!
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I grew 8' to 15'+ trees for 25yrs starting back in 79 South of Flag.
grew down in the san tan mtns on the indian rez in the 80's
all over the pinetop white mtn range throughout the late 80's till present, that's some of the best land, the season goes from May 1st to Nov 1st in the mtns of AZ.
loblollydreams
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Check the Applegate Valley. The weather is perfect. The problem is how secluded you will find yourself from the rest of civilization. Grant's Pass is the closest place at 30 minutes, but Eugene is 2.5 hours away, Portland 4.5h, and SF 6.5h south.
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Robrites
Business Readiness Guidebook for Oregon Recreational Marijuana Operations
Business Readiness Guidebook for Oregon Recreational Marijuana Operations
The Business Readiness Guidebook is intended for establishing OLCC licensed recreational marijuana businesses. Businesses that follow the guidance in this book will be better prepared to establish legal operations in Oregon and comply with state and local laws. This guidebook provides information outside of the OLCC rules and regulations for licensed facilities.
Get it here
http://www.oregon.gov/olcc/marijuana/Documents/BusinessReadinessGuide_RecreationalMarijuana.pdf
Business Readiness Guidebook for Oregon Recreational Marijuana Operations
The Business Readiness Guidebook is intended for establishing OLCC licensed recreational marijuana businesses. Businesses that follow the guidance in this book will be better prepared to establish legal operations in Oregon and comply with state and local laws. This guidebook provides information outside of the OLCC rules and regulations for licensed facilities.
Get it here
http://www.oregon.gov/olcc/marijuana/Documents/BusinessReadinessGuide_RecreationalMarijuana.pdf
loblollydreams
Member
Very helpful. Thanks Rob.
kinda worthless, that's for licensed facilities.
not home growers.
just another reason to be on the OMMP, I'm selling my lbo for 2200/lb atm through the OMMP
The rec model right now is paying $1000-$1600 in Portland, no more.
OMMP gets big $$ and OMMP requires you sell that excess 75lb of nugs harvested through the dip system.
The rec model is a joke atm
but at least it's a start for stoners to get their weed.
problem is the herb in the rec model in the 50+ dips I've been in this last 2 weeks have nothing but brown C grade trash, a little B grade, anf the top shelf in on the OMMP side.
what I see here is most growers do not have a clue how to harvest and cure their weed.
they let it sit in piles way to long and it turns brown.
+ side is there is a whole lot of choice in the products offered here...
not home growers.
just another reason to be on the OMMP, I'm selling my lbo for 2200/lb atm through the OMMP
The rec model right now is paying $1000-$1600 in Portland, no more.
OMMP gets big $$ and OMMP requires you sell that excess 75lb of nugs harvested through the dip system.
The rec model is a joke atm
but at least it's a start for stoners to get their weed.
problem is the herb in the rec model in the 50+ dips I've been in this last 2 weeks have nothing but brown C grade trash, a little B grade, anf the top shelf in on the OMMP side.
what I see here is most growers do not have a clue how to harvest and cure their weed.
they let it sit in piles way to long and it turns brown.
+ side is there is a whole lot of choice in the products offered here...
cALyXtech1
Member
Thanks for posting this thread! some great info here.
I'm relocating to Bend/redmond/prineville area in the next 60 days.
Mission
OMMP
Heated indoor shop for indoor trees w/ 10-15K DE gavitas
Erect a greenhouse for 200gal earthpots for the even bigger sungrown ladies.
I'll be in town in a couple weeks to visit friends and look at property.
What are your guys experience with stacking numbers with the new 21+ law personal rec. rules
As soon as I have my card I can do 6 for myself right?
I know it's 2yrs now for a new res to hold cards and be a caregiver but I can do my own 6 right away correct.
Also as a 21+ resident without OMMP I can do 4.
Does that mean I can have 10 flowering plants right away if I have my med card?
6 med. and 4 as a 21+ resident under the recreation use provision?
I'm relocating to Bend/redmond/prineville area in the next 60 days.
Mission
OMMP
Heated indoor shop for indoor trees w/ 10-15K DE gavitas
Erect a greenhouse for 200gal earthpots for the even bigger sungrown ladies.
I'll be in town in a couple weeks to visit friends and look at property.
What are your guys experience with stacking numbers with the new 21+ law personal rec. rules
As soon as I have my card I can do 6 for myself right?
I know it's 2yrs now for a new res to hold cards and be a caregiver but I can do my own 6 right away correct.
Also as a 21+ resident without OMMP I can do 4.
Does that mean I can have 10 flowering plants right away if I have my med card?
6 med. and 4 as a 21+ resident under the recreation use provision?
Anyone know much about the Ashland area? Was told it was pretty nice, a lot of like minded people.
Have been in the sticks a bit to long already, wouldn't mind being a little closer to civilization.
Thanks for any info.
Mr^^
Have been in the sticks a bit to long already, wouldn't mind being a little closer to civilization.
Thanks for any info.
Mr^^
socioecologist
Member
Good luck jumping into one of the world's most saturated markets and trying to compete with your hands tied behind your back with the big boys (i.e. 48 plants vs. 96 in OMMP, or a little under an acre outdoor canopy in the rec market).
I love the passion for growing that many canna-migrants bring with them, but you seek to enter into one of the oldest, most established markets in the US and many of the participants are not friendly to outsiders.
That said, small growers are a dying breed. Legalization--particularly in places that are already awash in cannabis (like Oregon)--means that producers must be incredibly well capitalized (multiple millions to weather low prices), able to leverage massive economies of scale, and have well-established relationships with other big players (all of whom are vertically integrated).
I love the passion for growing that many canna-migrants bring with them, but you seek to enter into one of the oldest, most established markets in the US and many of the participants are not friendly to outsiders.
That said, small growers are a dying breed. Legalization--particularly in places that are already awash in cannabis (like Oregon)--means that producers must be incredibly well capitalized (multiple millions to weather low prices), able to leverage massive economies of scale, and have well-established relationships with other big players (all of whom are vertically integrated).
Actually Oregon is the easiest market to work.
Portland that's different, another snobbish crap shoot up there, good weed and lots and lots of bunk grade c-d herb sold on the rec side now.
Ashland not so cool, great town, way expensive like Boulder Colorado, if you like yuppie land Ashland is where you want to go, Medford, Talent is real beautiful, down through Applegate to Williams, really anywhere in the 40 mile circle around the Rogue Valley is GREAT for Growers. This is the Oregon Farming Sunbelt and has the BEST Growing seasons in Oregon. Think about it the SUN BELT where the best grows in Oregon.
all said and done from my experience the last 10yrs here 80% of Oregons Weed is diverted to the underground and not to the OMMP model, if they did sell to the OMMP why are most sorta full with sungrown and sorta filled with indoor, lots and lots of nugs here for sure but there is a huge market here, DON'T LISTEN TO NAYSAYERS. Come on out and grow, just don't say your new and all is good.
Plus you can't be a grower for the OMMP system untill you have 2 years residency.
low prices??? no. $1700 - $2800 per elbow is great for A+ outdoor and indoor.
and buying organic unlaced pounds of nugget bud trim for $50-$100 per elbow where one can make fucking bank on oil, someone is either lying or trying to divert form this market up here where there is LOTS of OPPORTUNITY.
yeah, there's lots of old and new and criminal cash flowing, but who gives a fuck? There's plenty of room here and elswhere to make a buck if that's your greed.
Study HB3400 for the current rules on Rec and the new illegally added OMMP rules.
Portland that's different, another snobbish crap shoot up there, good weed and lots and lots of bunk grade c-d herb sold on the rec side now.
Ashland not so cool, great town, way expensive like Boulder Colorado, if you like yuppie land Ashland is where you want to go, Medford, Talent is real beautiful, down through Applegate to Williams, really anywhere in the 40 mile circle around the Rogue Valley is GREAT for Growers. This is the Oregon Farming Sunbelt and has the BEST Growing seasons in Oregon. Think about it the SUN BELT where the best grows in Oregon.
all said and done from my experience the last 10yrs here 80% of Oregons Weed is diverted to the underground and not to the OMMP model, if they did sell to the OMMP why are most sorta full with sungrown and sorta filled with indoor, lots and lots of nugs here for sure but there is a huge market here, DON'T LISTEN TO NAYSAYERS. Come on out and grow, just don't say your new and all is good.
Plus you can't be a grower for the OMMP system untill you have 2 years residency.
low prices??? no. $1700 - $2800 per elbow is great for A+ outdoor and indoor.
and buying organic unlaced pounds of nugget bud trim for $50-$100 per elbow where one can make fucking bank on oil, someone is either lying or trying to divert form this market up here where there is LOTS of OPPORTUNITY.
yeah, there's lots of old and new and criminal cash flowing, but who gives a fuck? There's plenty of room here and elswhere to make a buck if that's your greed.
Study HB3400 for the current rules on Rec and the new illegally added OMMP rules.
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loblollydreams
Member
If you can handle not just being in the countryside, but being far removed from any cities, the Applegate Valley area really is fantastic. All that "land of milk and honey" bullshit they told settlers about the Willamette wasn't very true, but the area around the Rogue and Applegate is closer to the NorCal climate than anything Cascadian.
shellybelly
Member
My approach would be to make a short list and then do some deeper digging into demographics, crime stats, ect.. I was down to 4 possibilities of places to move a few years ago and subscribed to each communities local paper for 3 months. Amazing what you can learn from that. One of the communities turned out to be terrible for crime so I opted for the paper that had an article saying local city manager retires, vows to spend rest of days making community better. Wherever you end up good luck to you. Oregon's a great state.
The high desert (Deschutes County) and not just Bend, surrounding areas. Bend is great, but the land and housing can be a bit extreme. The water table in a lot of the area is just below the ground. Like 10 feet isn't unusual. It varies in mineral content. I've live and grow here, and the sun provides very well. Many growers use "dark tents" and flower in August (harvest) I'm in the planning stage to move to the Oregon coast. I grew up in the forest of the Mt Hood Ntl forest, and it was rainy, but we all grew. Lot's of greenhouses in Oregon! Most any place in Oregon can produce great weed. It's hard to judge, because all the guys I smoke with grow yummy buds. Most of the weed stores have a nice selection of cuttings too. Pardon my reference to our medical dispensaries. They object to the dispensary reference!?
I think the best thing about Oregon is that the majority is pro weed. People argue that point, but in Bend, I see people crowding the recreation lines. The police aren't being shitty(in general) and people are behaving(like weed smokers do!) There are some RED counties, but you probably wouldn't want to be there anyway! Grow organic and protect our environment, J
I think the best thing about Oregon is that the majority is pro weed. People argue that point, but in Bend, I see people crowding the recreation lines. The police aren't being shitty(in general) and people are behaving(like weed smokers do!) There are some RED counties, but you probably wouldn't want to be there anyway! Grow organic and protect our environment, J
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Robrites
10 legit reasons you shouldn't move to Oregon
10 legit reasons you shouldn't move to Oregon
A bit of reality
http://www.oregonlive.com/living/index.ssf/2016/01/post_61.html#0
Oregon is heaven with caveats.
10 legit reasons you shouldn't move to Oregon
A bit of reality
http://www.oregonlive.com/living/index.ssf/2016/01/post_61.html#0
Oregon is heaven with caveats.
socioecologist
Member
Nice share Robrites. It's the unfortunate reality; we live in paradise in many ways, but there's a darker underbelly of inequality in this state that makes just getting by more difficult than in other places in the US. Legalization is going to make that inequality even more pronounced.
If anyone was still considering moving here for cultivation, you should probably be aware of the statistics.
http://www.oregon.gov/olcc/marijuana/Documents/mj_app_stats_by_county.pdf
As of yesterday morning, 132 growers have applied for a recreational producer license. Many more will follow suite in the next two months (especially after the rules are finalized in the short legislative session). Medical is on it's way out, unfortunately; there will be a bill made public next week that allows rec producers to enter into contracts with individual medical patients (and thereby increase their overall canopy size)--this is designed to push the bigger OMMP growers (who were reticent about rec because of tracking, fees, and inspections among other things) into the OLCC system. But go back to that number for a second: 132 growers are more than enough to meet the entire cannabis demand in Oregon, let alone the (initially) small recreational market.
That photomontage Robrites linked to in the O-Live will need to have a new image in 5 years describing how the legalization of marijuana--while bringing in much needed tax revenue to the state--lead to a widening of the gap between the haves and have-nots in the Beaver state.
If anyone was still considering moving here for cultivation, you should probably be aware of the statistics.
http://www.oregon.gov/olcc/marijuana/Documents/mj_app_stats_by_county.pdf
As of yesterday morning, 132 growers have applied for a recreational producer license. Many more will follow suite in the next two months (especially after the rules are finalized in the short legislative session). Medical is on it's way out, unfortunately; there will be a bill made public next week that allows rec producers to enter into contracts with individual medical patients (and thereby increase their overall canopy size)--this is designed to push the bigger OMMP growers (who were reticent about rec because of tracking, fees, and inspections among other things) into the OLCC system. But go back to that number for a second: 132 growers are more than enough to meet the entire cannabis demand in Oregon, let alone the (initially) small recreational market.
That photomontage Robrites linked to in the O-Live will need to have a new image in 5 years describing how the legalization of marijuana--while bringing in much needed tax revenue to the state--lead to a widening of the gap between the haves and have-nots in the Beaver state.
Mf'rs did their level best to f'k things up in Oregon. Mom and Pops ran out. Un f'n real that now they will allow the rec parasites from out of state to scoop up the patients as well. My county opted out only to ensure they will get to add a 3% tax on all sold, (Marion.) That move however put everyone in this county at least a year behind the rec.
The move to 48 max was bs, this is all rigged to bring in big business, tobacco, monsanto etc. We will not be trusted to grow our own due to the dip shits coming here with out a clue and spraying shit all over their plants.
Sure you will have some ops nail it to begin with. But I see a lot of investors falling in with clueless growers in hopes of hitting it big. I just don't see high I mean top shelf quality coming out of mass production. Hopefully it will be like micro brews, and niches will be obtainable.
As for the OP's original question, Lane County is probably your best bet for the future. They will never outlaw it. Theft would also be lower if you can believe that. As everyone in the sticks there is growing outdoor schwagg and sitting on 600 per unit. Hope you like Pit Bulls though as it is the county dog. Meth is everywhere, so camp out by your greenhouse. I would think your more likely to get ripped on a deal than a grow though. Not worth their time to f'k with you. Just keep to yourself and don't show off your stash, or flash your cash. Drive a beater, scatter trash all over your yard, you'll fit right in.
Side note anyone have thoughts on how the vote will go Marion?
The move to 48 max was bs, this is all rigged to bring in big business, tobacco, monsanto etc. We will not be trusted to grow our own due to the dip shits coming here with out a clue and spraying shit all over their plants.
Sure you will have some ops nail it to begin with. But I see a lot of investors falling in with clueless growers in hopes of hitting it big. I just don't see high I mean top shelf quality coming out of mass production. Hopefully it will be like micro brews, and niches will be obtainable.
As for the OP's original question, Lane County is probably your best bet for the future. They will never outlaw it. Theft would also be lower if you can believe that. As everyone in the sticks there is growing outdoor schwagg and sitting on 600 per unit. Hope you like Pit Bulls though as it is the county dog. Meth is everywhere, so camp out by your greenhouse. I would think your more likely to get ripped on a deal than a grow though. Not worth their time to f'k with you. Just keep to yourself and don't show off your stash, or flash your cash. Drive a beater, scatter trash all over your yard, you'll fit right in.
Side note anyone have thoughts on how the vote will go Marion?
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Robrites
Oregon's recreational pot shoppers adjust to 25 percent sales tax
Oregon's recreational pot shoppers adjust to 25 percent sales tax
This is a bit off topic but still concerns us all...
Oregon's recreational marijuana consumers, at least those who opt to shop in dispensaries, seem to be taking a new state sales tax in stride, many dispensary owners say.
On Jan. 1, after a three-month tax holiday, Oregon imposed a 25 percent sales tax on recreational marijuana sales. The tax will eventually be replaced with a 17 percent state tax once the Oregon Liquor Control Commission assumes control over recreational marijuana sales later this year.
Matt Price, who owns a chain of dispensaries called Cannabliss, said some customers have shrugged off the tax. "And then," he said, "we have people that say they would rather go back to their 'guy,' so to speak, and walk out."
At Glisan Buds and Foster Buds, general manager Nathan Krytenberg took the radical step of absorbing the tax. Krytenberg is betting on his "strategic decision" to generate enough additional sales to cover the added cost.
He also hopes the gesture builds customer loyalty in a city where more than 100 shops compete not just with each other but with the well-established black market. The company spread its message on social media and lets customers know about it when they come through the doors.
"To be quite honest with you, if we even take a small hit, I believe the fact that we are doing this will put us in a better market position," said Krytenberg, whose shops sell marijuana for $9 and $15 a gram.
Oregon's marijuana enthusiasts have historically enjoyed some of the cheapest prices, particularly when compared with Colorado and Washington, both home to taxed and regulated marijuana markets.
Yet even in Portland, where dispensaries routinely compete for recreational dollars by slashing prices on flowers, the move at Glisan Buds and Foster Buds raised eyebrows among other in the industry.
"If you can do it and make any kind of profit, God bless you," said Sam Heywood, an owner of Farma, a dispensary on Southeast Hawthorne Boulevard where a sign at the entrance reminds customers about the sales tax. "It's aggressive. Is it sustainable? I don't know."
Officials with the Oregon Department of Revenue, the agency charged with collecting the new sales tax, said shops are free to absorb the tax or spread it among the grower, shop and consumer. Ultimately, the agency's chief interest is ensuring the tax is paid in full.
"We have no authority over pricing," said Julia Dodson, a spokeswoman for the agency. "Dispensaries can charge whatever they decide."
The agency won't begin collecting the tax until February. On Friday, officials said only about half of dispensaries selling recreational marijuana have registered with the Department of Revenue, a state requirement.
At Cannadaddy's, a dispensary in outer Southeast Portland, owner Brad Zusman said he's asked the cannabis growers who supply his store about the possibility of sharing some of the tax burden, but the idea hasn't gone anywhere.
He's not keen on absorbing the tax on his own since it would represent a major chunk of profits; his store on one day alone this week generated $1,400 in sales taxes, he said.
While he's determined to attract recreational consumers, Zusman said he's redoubled his focus on medical marijuana patients, offering bargain-basement prices on popular concentrates.
Recreational shoppers at his store spend, on average, $38 to $45 per transaction, compared with $100 to $110 among medical marijuana patients who don't pay any tax, he said.
Medical marijuana patients can also purchase pricier concentrates and edibles -- sought-after products that remain off limits to recreational shoppers for now.
"It's really hard for any dispensary to survive just on recreational sales," he said.
Copied from the Oregonlive website.
Oregon's recreational pot shoppers adjust to 25 percent sales tax
This is a bit off topic but still concerns us all...
Oregon's recreational marijuana consumers, at least those who opt to shop in dispensaries, seem to be taking a new state sales tax in stride, many dispensary owners say.
On Jan. 1, after a three-month tax holiday, Oregon imposed a 25 percent sales tax on recreational marijuana sales. The tax will eventually be replaced with a 17 percent state tax once the Oregon Liquor Control Commission assumes control over recreational marijuana sales later this year.
Matt Price, who owns a chain of dispensaries called Cannabliss, said some customers have shrugged off the tax. "And then," he said, "we have people that say they would rather go back to their 'guy,' so to speak, and walk out."
At Glisan Buds and Foster Buds, general manager Nathan Krytenberg took the radical step of absorbing the tax. Krytenberg is betting on his "strategic decision" to generate enough additional sales to cover the added cost.
He also hopes the gesture builds customer loyalty in a city where more than 100 shops compete not just with each other but with the well-established black market. The company spread its message on social media and lets customers know about it when they come through the doors.
"To be quite honest with you, if we even take a small hit, I believe the fact that we are doing this will put us in a better market position," said Krytenberg, whose shops sell marijuana for $9 and $15 a gram.
Oregon's marijuana enthusiasts have historically enjoyed some of the cheapest prices, particularly when compared with Colorado and Washington, both home to taxed and regulated marijuana markets.
Yet even in Portland, where dispensaries routinely compete for recreational dollars by slashing prices on flowers, the move at Glisan Buds and Foster Buds raised eyebrows among other in the industry.
"If you can do it and make any kind of profit, God bless you," said Sam Heywood, an owner of Farma, a dispensary on Southeast Hawthorne Boulevard where a sign at the entrance reminds customers about the sales tax. "It's aggressive. Is it sustainable? I don't know."
Officials with the Oregon Department of Revenue, the agency charged with collecting the new sales tax, said shops are free to absorb the tax or spread it among the grower, shop and consumer. Ultimately, the agency's chief interest is ensuring the tax is paid in full.
"We have no authority over pricing," said Julia Dodson, a spokeswoman for the agency. "Dispensaries can charge whatever they decide."
The agency won't begin collecting the tax until February. On Friday, officials said only about half of dispensaries selling recreational marijuana have registered with the Department of Revenue, a state requirement.
At Cannadaddy's, a dispensary in outer Southeast Portland, owner Brad Zusman said he's asked the cannabis growers who supply his store about the possibility of sharing some of the tax burden, but the idea hasn't gone anywhere.
He's not keen on absorbing the tax on his own since it would represent a major chunk of profits; his store on one day alone this week generated $1,400 in sales taxes, he said.
While he's determined to attract recreational consumers, Zusman said he's redoubled his focus on medical marijuana patients, offering bargain-basement prices on popular concentrates.
Recreational shoppers at his store spend, on average, $38 to $45 per transaction, compared with $100 to $110 among medical marijuana patients who don't pay any tax, he said.
Medical marijuana patients can also purchase pricier concentrates and edibles -- sought-after products that remain off limits to recreational shoppers for now.
"It's really hard for any dispensary to survive just on recreational sales," he said.
Copied from the Oregonlive website.
1400 taxes, probably 1400 to growers(low I know) he pockets 2800 and whines about it? Growers are starving every thing has gone up but wholesale prices. Sad thing is this will catch on quick and all growers will get stuck with this tax. That's ok, you just gotta be the one who walks in with quality, top shelf. Demand a good price and if you don't get it go elsewhere. Don't fall for this crap from the dips. They knew going in this day would come. To not pass it off to the customer and to the grower instead is total bs.
Interesting stuff. Maybe someone should start a local pot prices in Oregon thread 
