What's new
  • As of today ICMag has his own Discord server. In this Discord server you can chat, talk with eachother, listen to music, share stories and pictures...and much more. Join now and let's grow together! Join ICMag Discord here! More details in this thread here: here.

When knowledge is suppressed we all lose.

Status
Not open for further replies.

dagnabit

Game Bred
Veteran
keep reading... lotsa non-global warming stuff, too... just seems like the think most of the posters push the discussion toward...

How 'bout those AIDS denialists?



just like holocaust deniers will use the tactic of telling you you are a denier of their "evidence"

just a tactic..

glad we see eye to eye on something
:tiphat:
 

Grat3fulh3ad

The Voice of Reason
Veteran
People who deny things which are empirically verifiable discredit themselves.

Denialist is a term for a person who has discredited themselves by denying something everyone who bothers to actually look, can see.
 

Grat3fulh3ad

The Voice of Reason
Veteran
just like holocaust deniers will use the tactic of telling you you are a denier of their "evidence"

just a tactic..

glad we see eye to eye on something
:tiphat:

That's hilarious.

Holocaust deniers are denialists.
I do not deny their evidence. I refute it.
They can't refute the evidence the holocaust occurred, only deny it.

Same with AGW denialists
Same with AIDS denialists


Scientists refute the denials.
Denialists repudiate the science.

You still not getting it, or did it finally click this time?
 

dagnabit

Game Bred
Veteran
That's hilarious.

Holocaust deniers are denialists.
I do not deny their evidence. I refute it.
They can't refute the evidence the holocaust occurred, only deny it.

Same with AGW denialists
Same with AIDS denialists


Scientists refute the denials.
Denialists repudiate the science.

You still not getting it, or did it finally click this time?
no your not getting it...

"denialisim" is a concocted term used by many different groups (some correct about their beliefs some not) to discredit opponents and nothing more.

right or wrong makes no difference.

"denialisim" is a tool and not a very new or useful one at that.

is it clicking with you yet?

we just have different tint on our glasses ;)
 

gdtrfb

have you seen my lighter?
ICMag Donor
Veteran
20 pages before devolving into an entirely semantic argument - not bad, really. i'd have expected it sooner.
 

Grat3fulh3ad

The Voice of Reason
Veteran
So you don't understand the difference in deny and refute...
maybe i'll send you a dictionary for xmas.

simpler for you:

Denialists deny the science
Scientists refute the denials.

Oxford English Dictionary said:
refute |riˈfyoōt|
verb [ trans. ]
prove (a statement or theory) to be wrong or false; disprove.
• prove that (someone) is wrong.

deny |diˈnī|
verb ( -nies, -nied) [ trans. ]
refuse to admit the truth or existence of (something)
 

GMT

The Tri Guy
Veteran
another example would be the relative brain sizes of our species. Male brains are larger than female brains, this has been proved from countless autopsys, but tell a woman that and she'll tell you you're wrong.
 

dagnabit

Game Bred
Veteran
So you don't understand the difference in deny and refute...
maybe i'll send you a dictionary for xmas.

simpler for you:

Denialists deny the science
Scientists refute the denials.

like i said different colored glasses..

your also an OED subscriber?

can you please c&p the OED for denialisim?
 
I

In~Plain~Site

Scientists refute the denials.

Until the next great discovery where they do the about face dance...

another example would be the relative brain sizes of our species. Male brains are larger than female brains, this has been proved from countless autopsys, but tell a woman that and she'll tell you you're wrong.

And most chicks are smarter than men despite this 'predisposition'...now what?
 
Soon they will make "denialism" a mental disorder and take the denialists away. It reminds me of the song Renegades by NoMan.

Somebody said please take
All the renegades
Put their ideas in a sack
Be careful it does not crack

Put it in some museum

A sign will say Please Don't Touch
And we will all be free from pain
Cause the renegades will be contained

So off the beaten track
And maybe out of this world I go
 

Grat3fulh3ad

The Voice of Reason
Veteran
dag... So you confirm you do not understand the difference in deny and refute. cool.

IPS, what part of adding pieces to the increasingly more complete jigsaw puzzle do you not get?
you act as though they throw out all the old pieces every time a new one is picked up, when they really only increase the clarity of pictures we already see fairly well.

hold your breath waiting for a big discovery with the type of effects you imply.
lmao.
 

Grat3fulh3ad

The Voice of Reason
Veteran
like i said different colored glasses..

your also an OED subscriber?

can you please c&p the OED for denialisim?

My computer had New Oxford American Dictionary built in... I'll just c&p from there.

scientific |ˌsīənˈtifik|
adjective
based on or characterized by the methods and principles of science.


denial |diˈnīəl|
noun
the action of declaring something to be untrue.

ism |ˈizəm|
noun informal
a distinctive practice, system, or philosophy.


Therefore


denialism |diˈnīəlˈizəm|
noun informal
a distinctive practice of systematically declaring something to be untrue.


And


scientific denialism |ˌsīənˈtifik diˈnīəlˈizəm|
noun informal
a distinctive practice of systematically declaring some empirically verifiable things discovered using the methods and principles of science to be untrue and science in general to be unreliable.
 

dagnabit

Game Bred
Veteran
long story short it does not exist in the oed...

nor any other..

because it is a rhetorical tool created to discredit an opposing viewpoint.

thats why its not in the OED.
 
I

In~Plain~Site

dag... So you confirm you do not understand the difference in deny and refute. cool.

IPS, what part of adding pieces to the increasingly more complete jigsaw puzzle do you not get?
you act as though they throw out all the old pieces every time a new one is picked up, when they really only increase the clarity of pictures we already see fairly well.

hold your breath waiting for a big discovery with the type of effects you imply.
lmao.

My point is this, the GW folks think that this isn't some naturally occuring, cyclical event.I've already conceded that I believe the earth is warming.I have yet to see evidence that the human population has had that significant of an effect, or that we can actually change the outcome by much, if at all.

And I most certainly do not subscribe to it shaping political policy making until such time we can conclusively prove otherwise.

Until then I believe it's a matter of personal responsibility for anyone's contribution, as they see fit.
 
long story short it does not exist in the oed...

nor any other..

because it is a rhetorical tool created to discredit an opposing viewpoint.

thats why its not in the OED.

This is why I find the term unsettling. It is the height of irony to make a thread against intellectual suppression that uses such a term in this way.
 

AndreNicky

Member
And most chicks are smarter than men despite this 'predisposition'...now what?

Smarter at what cooking dinner and cleaning cloths???

Seriously tho last time I checked men invented all the cool stuff. maybe women are smart at doing school bullshit(standardized tests? lol)? when it comes to real life situations most women don't have a clue in my experience.
 

dagnabit

Game Bred
Veteran
Smarter at what cooking dinner and cleaning cloths???

Seriously tho last time I checked men invented all the cool stuff. maybe women are smart at doing school bullshit(standardized tests? lol)? when it comes to real life situations most women don't have a clue in my experience.
:laughing: :laughing: :laughing: :laughing: :laughing:
and that folks is irony!

you know today is a hard day for me and the wife...today is the day we lost everything and gained everything in the same day. remembering the feelings from those few weeks 5 years ago can hurt.

but you sir gave me a true belly laugh with that post.
:thank you:
 

Grat3fulh3ad

The Voice of Reason
Veteran
long story short it does not exist in the oed...

nor any other..

because it is a rhetorical tool created to discredit an opposing viewpoint.

thats why its not in the OED.

and new words never get coined and added to the dictionary...
:jerkit:



lmao
I've only posted that it is a newly coined word defining a fairly recent phenomenon.



you seem to have problems getting your mind wrapped around concepts.
 
Status
Not open for further replies.
Top