What's your go-to breeder nowadays?

[Genghis Kush.]

I suggest you have your plants dna tested if you’re interested in preserving landraces, if you’ve got any that are none gmo they’re literally the last dodo in a world full of Kentucky fried chicken.

If you don’t have access to dna testing then the presence of cbd is a big give away, no pure none gmo landrace plant unrelated to skunk og or hemp has yet been found to contain any cbd at all.

Maybe the real seed company Afghan 90 and a couple of the prempavee offerings but until they’re tested I doubt it.
Nothing collected recently is pure unless you get really lucky with Thai or Laos.

OTH is most likely an old Colombian hybrid, hence the name haze

“ Genetically modified organisms (GMOs) are produced using scientific methods that include recombinant DNA technology and reproductive cloning. In reproductive cloning, a nucleus is extracted from a cell of the individual to be cloned and is inserted into the enucleated cytoplasm of a host egg (an enucleated egg is an egg cell that has had its own nucleus removed). The process results in the generation of an offspring that is genetically identical to the donor individual.”


A landrace is a domesticated, locally adapted, often traditional variety of a species of animal or plant that has developed over time, through adaptation to its natural and cultural environment of agriculture and pastoralism, and due to isolation from other populations of the species.

the term landrace does not refer to CBD less tropical adapted ganja only

it can also be a high THC/CBD rich short hash plant

 

[H e d g e]

@Genghis Kush. Colchicine induced mutations were the first form of genetic modification, polyploids are banned in Hawaii for this reason.

How to Use Anti-GMO Ordinances to Seize Marijuana Plants: A Guide for Police Departments > Hawaii Free Press

Cannabis plants unrelated to hemp og or skunk do not contain any cbd, they are grouped into a category named landrace by the people who test their genetics because they are so different from modified plants regardless of their origin.

 

[Ca++]

I don't choose seeds by breeder, yet keep buying sweet seeds. I use the seedbanks with good search engines, to find what fits the bill, then avoid the unknown breeders. Other than that, any breeder will have a mixed rep, and just surviving is a good sign. I'm looking for medium to high yields, in 7 or 8 weeks, with 20%+ thc claims. Cup wins are useful, but diaries are worth a look to. Somehow I keep finding my way back to sweet seeds. 3 out of 4 I bought this year were theirs. The other barnies cookies cush. Which is very popular.

In ams I use the seed center on Gravenstraat. Their storage and turnover looks good. I know of others, but it's the only one I use.

 

[El Timbo]

the story is not consistent with Caledonia

“It is a 100% Sativa variety, an exotic landrace with enormous vigour and great qualities. Ace Seeds claims "the best pure native Sativa we have offered in many years".’

sold on seed distribution sites as pure but:

“We received different separate seed lots, being lots A and B the ones that had more seeds and the ones we decided to germinate first to explore the genetics. We started 50 seeds from batch A and 50 seeds from batch B indoors under LEDs. Those from batch A germinated quite well (80%, 40 plants), while from lot B only about 20 seeds germinated.

Of the approx 60 plants in total that have germinated, most of them (more than 95%, both from batch A and B) showed a pure sativa tropical profile, without indica influence”

As I said - they don't list it as a landrace.

 

[Genghis Kush.]

Colchicine induced mutations were the first form of genetic modification, polyploids are banned in Hawaii for this reason.

How to Use Anti-GMO Ordinances to Seize Marijuana Plants: A Guide for Police Departments > Hawaii Free Press

Cannabis plants unrelated to hemp og or skunk do not contain any cbd, they are grouped into a category named landrace by the people who test their genetics because they are so different from modified plants regardless of their origin.

No, colchicine is not a genetically modified organism (GMO).Colchicine is a chemical mutagenic agent that can be used to induce polyploidy, a process that can occur naturally in plants.Polyploidy is not considered genetic modification because it doesn't substantially modify the chromosomes that are multiplied.

come on dude, You just cited a 11 year old, misinformed press article suggesting that GMO laws could possibly be used against pot growers.!

And Phylos is not real. Those are made up categories . That is well known .
plant genetics has not advanced enough to do what phylos claimed that they were going to do.

 

[Genghis Kush.]

As I said - they don't list it as a landrace.

‘Some strains like New Caledonia are landrace strains that have been cleaned up.’ -LHC

i was responding to that and gave proof of how ace markets their seeds as something they are not Leading people to invest in something other than what is advertised Or spread falsehoods on forums

i could provide many more instances. But why bother

 

[H e d g e]

@Genghis Kush. They made up the categories based on clusters of similar plants, not out of their imagination. You don’t need a computer to see what’s been modified and what hasn’t if you look a the chromatography it’s a ski slope, the diversity of cannabinoids has been lost.
Go to a celiac forum and try telling them polyploid wheat isn’t modified. Genetically edited plants aren’t considered modified either, bollocks aren’t they.

 

[Genghis Kush.]

They made up their categories based on SNPs.

You are using GMO colloquially.
I am referring to the dictionary and scientific use of then term GMO.

I agree cannabinoids have been lost

 

[H e d g e]

@Genghis Kush. Dictionary terms can be changed to bypass laws against dangerous practices. I will continue to refer to frankenplants as gmo because the genetics have been changed/modified destroyed.
It’s like breeding apples these days to get anything remotely medicinal, before the introduction of modern cannabis varieties there was little selection going on and the weed was better than anything currently available.

 

[Genghis Kush.]

Little selection?

there has been thousands of years of constant human selection to create cannabis as we know it

 

[El Timbo]

‘Some strains like New Caledonia are landrace strains that have been cleaned up.’ -LHC

i was responding to that and gave proof of how ace markets their seeds as something they are not Leading people to invest in something other than what is advertised Or spread falsehoods on forums

i could provide many more instances. But why bother

But you agree that they don't list it as a landrace right? That's all I'm saying.

 

[H e d g e]

Little selection?

more like thousands of years of constant human selection

Progeny testing is a recent and necessary invention.

 

[Genghis Kush.]

But you agree that they don't list it as a landrace right? That's all I'm saying.

Not on their website .

but they do when selling through other distributors.

crafty marketing strategies

 

[Genghis Kush.]

Progeny testing is a recent and necessary invention.

Progeny testing is a method commonly used in animal breeding programs, and to some extent in plant breeding as well. It relies on phenotypic assessment of an individual’s offspring to make decisions regarding genetic selection. For traits that have high heritability, simpler selection protocols may be used such as selection based on individuals’ own performance, that is, phenotypic selection. However, once the environmental component of phenotypic variationbecomes rather large, simple evaluation of an individual’s breeding value based on its own phenotype becomes inaccurate. More importantly, phenotypic assessment of an individual merit is quite often unfeasible, for example, for sex-limited traits (e.g., milk yield in cattle and egg production in poultry) or traits that require the sacrifice of the individual for its evaluation (e.g., meat quality traits). Progeny testing circumvents this problem by analyzing a number of offspring from a tested individual. In a large population, environmental components of phenotypic variation of individual progeny tend to cancel each other out. Therefore, the average performance of an individual’s offspring serves as a good measure of the individual’s genetic merit. Thus, the parents of progeny with higher performance for desired traits are selected for future breeding.”

you really think they people who created a Cow from an Auroch or Corn from Teosinte didn’t know this?

 

[H e d g e]

Progeny testing is a method commonly used in animal breeding programs, and to some extent in plant breeding as well. It relies on phenotypic assessment of an individual’s offspring to make decisions regarding genetic selection. For traits that have high heritability, simpler selection protocols may be used such as selection based on individuals’ own performance, that is, phenotypic selection. However, once the environmental component of phenotypic variationbecomes rather large, simple evaluation of an individual’s breeding value based on its own phenotype becomes inaccurate. More importantly, phenotypic assessment of an individual merit is quite often unfeasible, for example, for sex-limited traits (e.g., milk yield in cattle and egg production in poultry) or traits that require the sacrifice of the individual for its evaluation (e.g., meat quality traits). Progeny testing circumvents this problem by analyzing a number of offspring from a tested individual. In a large population, environmental components of phenotypic variation of individual progeny tend to cancel each other out. Therefore, the average performance of an individual’s offspring serves as a good measure of the individual’s genetic merit. Thus, the parents of progeny with higher performance for desired traits are selected for future breeding.”

you really think they people who or created a Cow from an Auroch or Corn from Teosinte didn’t know this?

No, I think we didn’t have artificial light to maintain mother plants that we could save for later use after testing their offspring, and still managed to maintain healthy populations of highly medicinal plants.

 

[Genghis Kush.]

No, I think we didn’t have artificial light to maintain mother plants that we could save for later use after testing their offspring, and still managed to maintain healthy populations of highly medicinal plants.

Whatever

 

[FTL]

Well it didn’t take long for this thread to turn into a dumpster fire

 

[aCBD]

Well it didn’t take long for this thread to turn into a dumpster fire

OP will be happily surprised about all the replies..
until he visits the thread.

 

[aCBD]

No, I think we didn’t have artificial light to maintain mother plants that we could save for later use after testing their offspring, and still managed to maintain healthy populations of highly medicinal plants.

So before artificial lights, there was no selection possible.. is that what you're saying?
medicinal plants.. you talk about 20 years ago or 100 years ago or 1000 years ago?

 

[H e d g e]

So before artificial lights, there was no selection possible.. is that what you're saying?
medicinal plants.. you talk about 20 years ago or 100 years ago or 1000 years ago?

No, I’m saying that progeny testing wasn’t possible before artificial light, and that it has since become necessary in order to avoid what have always been referred to here as ‘duds’.