Whats wrong?

[Psychosativa]

Tasteez....

I really think you should quit pot. There's a small percentage of people who don't react well to cannabis. Well, it is just my advice, you're free to decide and I can't tell you what to do with your rights.


Best Regards

Psych

 

[Orangecrush]

An addiction? You and I both know being addicted to marijuana is impossible.

Being physically addicted to marijuana is impossible, but I do believe that you can be psychologically addicted.

Whenever I smoke I tend to want to be pretty laid back and just watch a movie or something. After doing it through a couple years of college, I decided it wasn't the best. So I don't do it on days I have classes because other things have to come first. It's all willpower man.

 

[Liam]

STOP IT!

http://youtube.com/watch?v=BYLMTvxOaeE

 

[TheGoodStuff]

Sounds like you're stoned.

 

[HerbGlaze]

postitive vibes brotha.
Think happy thoughts.. and try to drink some coffee right before you bake will wake you up to reality.. i find it hard to find that you cant concentrate to me its the opposite few rips of a bong and im so into everything.. and chit chatting and learning.

 

[FRANKENBLUNT420]

from what ive read of your dilemma, i think your making way too much of it, i mean thats how pot works anway. hell if there is something not interesting to me and im sober my mind still wonders.

start doing things that interest you. hell if your not into meditation if you try it and it bores you to tears then your mind will begin to wonder. i tend to dwell on the past as well and they are just random thoughts that come and go as well but i dont feel any particular way good/bad about them since they are in the past.

once you notice something that is out of the norm it will concern you but some things you just cant help. maybe you can find a strain that can help you focus more. i know for me sativas make me even more reflective and cause, for me, the same symptoms you described about yourself. try to change the things you think about.

do you tend to nod at all as though you were going to sleep? what are you smoking out of/ or rather method?how much are you smoking during a single session? there are many questions to be asked that you can answer and see where these "symptoms" could be coming from.

peace and blessings to you.

 

[tasteez]

Echoes Your right, it is addictive, but I don't believe it to be physically addicting. Definitely a mental addiction/obsession, I agree. I have considered seeing a guidance counselor about my anxiety and stress, I actually have a huge social anxiety. My social anxiety is actually worse when I am stoned, I havn't found any bud that has helped with it, it all makes it worse. The laying in bed checklist thing could be insomnia, I have been going to bed by 1 or 2 am lately though, I find if I close my eyes and force myself I can go to sleep successfully. It's just if I don't force myself, I can't sleep, because my mind wanders... I guess that is somewhat normal. The bud I smoke isn't quite "beasters", it's a step up from them. About once every 3 months we get beasters, but usually they are just good commercial buds. But your right, very close to beasters.

I have tried growing, and can do it, but it caused me a lot of stress. I was constantly worrying about getting caught. So I gave it up. I used to be a dealer too, but gave that up as well because of similar stress.

I wanted to try and find a strain by growing, but it caused so many problems when growing, with stress, that I had to give it up... Too bad I spent about 3,000 dollars trying to get a grow going :-(

JJScorpio Your right, I am making it bigger than it needs to be. I am naturally a worrier... my mom and grandmother are worriers too, I guess it's in my genes. I think I need to cut back, clear my mind. If I clear my mind of these thoughts, and smoke less each day, and less at a time, I think it will help remove these worries form my head.

And I already get panic attacks, but it was mostly caused by the growing and selling, as I was constantly worried about getting busted. I used to feel my heart beat increase, and then have slight pains in my chest. I do believe this is a panic/anxiety attack. But these have lessened significantly since I stopped growing and selling.

subrob Your right, cannabis is actually a stimulant if you look it up. And I have heard this before, if something is bothering you, you shouldn't smoke because it can make you dwell on it.

This is one reason I have given up growing and selling, because it was a constant worry, that I couldn't smoke without dwelling on it. I am also trying to get my life back in order, with school and a *legal* way of income. Hopefully this will help.

And your right, using it as a reward after I accomplish something is a great idea. I was planning on only smoking at night time, after I do some work, and get through the day. We'll see if that helps.

Crazy Composer Well it is definitely not my tolerance level. I have been smoking basically the same stuff for 3+ years. I find these symptoms are worse when I smoke more.

StoneByName I do use pot to forget problems... but it's not like I am some goth emo person... it's just my way of dealing with stress. It's not a way to forget... there's no way you can forget about your problems. It's just a way to relax, and get away for a little while. I've asked friends too, and they say it's their way of dealing with stress as well.

Psychosativa Very true, maybe something changed with my body over the years and I can't handle it anymore... well I can't just quit, I'll have to do it slowly. I'll try cutting back to once or twice a day, late at night, and see if it helps. If not, I may just have to quit.

NOKUY Definitely not hard to quit smoking, no physical addiction, ever. But it's such a fun habit, it's difficult, you know - I'll cut back to late at night and see what happens???

HerbGlaze Great idea, the coffee/caffeine could help counter-act the "out of it" feeling that makes it hard to concentrate, I NEVER drink coffee, or much caffeine, so I'll give it a try, thanks.

FRANKENBLUNT420 Your right, everyones mind wanders if it isn't interesting... but mine isn't like that. I can be in an interesting conversation, stoned, and my mind will still wander every minute. Or if I am reading a paragraph, my mind will wander every other sentence. I often have to re-read something 2 or 3 times to fully understand it. For example, if I am reading about something, and the word "cat" is in the paragraph...I will instantly start thinking about my cats. Just something along those lines, basic example for ya. I dwell on the past too, but if it is an embarrassing memory, or something, I still feel bad about it. If it's an embarrassing memory, I will feel embarrassed after thinking about it, for example I will get a hot flash type thing, face turns read, and mild sweat beads. And this can be about something that happened years ago, but for some reason I will think about it, and become worried/embarrassed about it.

Sativas do natually cause anxiety and racing thoughts, but unfortunately I can not handle growing. I have grown, and can do it decently, but it is so stressful because I am always worried about being busted. Which is why I recently gave it up.

So I can only buy my stuff from friends, and I never know what it is. I have to guess if its indica or sativa just by smoking it. But I actually just met someone with a hydro setup, and 2 grow rooms (perpetual). So I may be able to find out what I am smoking on, and maybe even choose a indica over a sativa.

No I do not nod off (thats funny, a lot of oxy-cotton users do that), I am usually not that tired, It's just my mind wanders so much I am unaware of whats happening around me half the time.

I usually don't smoke that much at a time.
My tool of choice is a Bong. I use a Glass-on-Glass bong with a ROOR diffuser and bowl. But occasionally I will smoke a blunt, joint, or from a regular spoon bowl. I notice these symptoms no matter what tool I use to smoke.
I usually smoke .2 to .4 grams at a time, basically just a normal sized bowl.

 

[tasteez]

drunkenstoner I could be, I'll have to look into schizophrenia some more. Thanks. I did hear that cannabis can cause this disease, but the person is usually prone to it. It doesn't happen to everyone.

la resistance Could you describe yourself some more? Does this happen when your not high? Or only when your high?


Thanks for the replies everyone, this has been really helpful.

I think my conclusion is this...

1) I am smoking too much at one time... I think I am at the burnout stage and need to take the herb a little more seriously.
2) I have too much on my mind when I am smoking, I need to get some things done each day before I smoke, so I feel like I've gotten things accomplished.
3) I can not handle stressful things like selling drugs, or growing cannabis, because it is a constant worry that I can not handle.
4) I might be a schizo...lol
5) I may not be able to handle sativas...indicas may be the answer. I'll have to find a grower willing to tell me what it is.
6) I need to try using caffeine to cure the "out of it" feeling that makes it hard to concentrate.

Well... today will be day 1. I am going to hold off smoking until night time. And I am going to get some things done around the house first. And then I will smoke half the amount I normally do, stop, and see where it takes me.

I will keep everyone updated, who knows, maybe someone else has these same problems, and this diary can help them too.
I mean.. I hope I'm not the only one reacting this way...I find that hard to believe.


Thanks again!

 

[Kizzattack]

Have you changed your diet recently?

Try taking vitamin C daily, in good sized doses. If this doesn't solve it, try fish oil capsules (with omega 3 and 6).

This worked for me after I started getting similar symptoms. I take vitamin C and fish oil daily and have yet to have any more problems. Hopefully it will work for you.

 

[ToKEN]

tasteez - conclusion number one is what I was gonna say...for awhile there I was getting "too high" and had to cut back...still smoking everyday, but only a hit or two at a time. that leaves me with a nice mellow high where I can still go about my day without the zoning out mind wandering deal. So I can still do what I'm doing with a cool buzz on my shoulder. Try that out. pack a pretty big bowl in the morning and take about 2 hits out of it every 4 hours or so. you'll find it works out well!

 

[Gypsy Nirvana]

....If it's bothering you that much then I'd say quit.....untill you feel at ease to toke again......and if it still is a problem for you then I'd say that cannabis ain't really a good thing for you to do.......Cannabis is not a drug that everyone can use and enjoy all of the time......

Thats probably why everyone does'nt like it....

Same with booze......it's not something that everyone can handle and/or use regularly.......some can't (or don't want to) drink at all....


......maybe it's just the dosage as ToKEN is stating in the above post?

 

[tasteez]

Kizzattack I usually don't pay much attention to my diet, and usually it's the same. However I havn't been taking any multivitamins lately. I forgot about Vitamin C, it's a natural stress reliever isn't it? My mom has a million drugs... matter of fact, I remember seeing Vitamin C and Fish Oil pills, I will have to ask her about them.

Could you explain what you were experiencing that was similar? And you say the Vitamin C and Fish Oil cured them?

ToKEN Thanks for your input, I actually did this today. I was planning on waiting to smoke until night but I kind of got upset and wanted to smoke a little. So I took 2 hits, I can honestly say that the symptoms were much less. After taking 2 small hits I had a nice buzz, but was still able to function and get things done. And best of all, I was able to concentrate in conversations with the family.

I'm not sure about packing a full bowl, and just taking a couple hits at a time throughout the day. I have done this, but there is another method I prefer. Because by the end of the day the bowl tastes old to me.
What I like to do is pack up a "snap" (that's what I know them as, it's a nickname), a snap is just a small amount of bud packed into a bong. Enough bud for 1 hit from your bong. A friend taught me this, he is from California. Then you take your 1 hit, and your done.

This will be my main goal, to only smoke 1 or 2 hits at a time, and only smoke every 3 to 4 hours.

Gypsy Nirvana Well it's hard to quit, these symptoms don't completely ruin the high... they're just a slight inconvenience. Especially when you smoke regularly for 4+ years, it's very hard to give up.

I agree with you, it isn't for everyone. But I find it weird that I didn't notice these symptoms until the last 2 years. It's like I could handle it when I was younger, but I can't now.

I too think the dosage needs to be taken into consideration, and as I said before, I took 2 hits earlier and felt a nice buzz but the symptoms I described were minimal - they were still there, but much less.


I also drank an iced cappacino (for caffeine) about 1 hour after I smoked... it definitely picked me up a little bit. I was much more alert, and felt I could concentrate better. So I think a little caffeine would be good every now and then when I am smoking. I also still felt my buzz a bit, so that's good. But I do think the caffeine counter-acted my high somewhat. Not sure.

But anyways, thanks for the replys, keep em coming!

And once again, if anyone has any symptoms similar to mine, please feel free to speak up! This is a public forum, nobody knows or cares who you are... share your feelings! Don't be shy. Thanks !

 

[tasteez]

you might be schizophrenic by the sounds of it , i think u have some symptons

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schizophrenia

I did some more research on this, I do have a lot of the symptoms.
However, I remember reading somewhere that Cannabis can mimic the symptoms of schizophrenia in some people.

I really do not notice these things as much when I am not smoking. So that makes me wonder if I am a schizo, or if the cannabis mimics the symptoms for my body.

Does anyone know anything about the schizo thing? Can cannabis mimic its symptoms? I remember reading it can.

But the wikipedia page does say cannabis and other drugs CAN cause schizophrenia...so who knows.

 

[tasteez]

A person experiencing schizophrenia may demonstrate symptoms such as disorganized thinking, auditory hallucinations, and delusions. In severe cases, the person may be largely mute, remain motionless in bizarre postures, or exhibit purposeless agitation; these are signs of catatonia.

Social isolation commonly occurs and may be due to a number of factors. Impairment in social cognition is associated with schizophrenia, as are the active symptoms of paranoia from delusions and hallucinations, and the negative symptoms of apathy and avolition. Many people diagnosed with schizophrenia avoid potentially stressful social situations that may exacerbate mental distress.

Late adolescence and early adulthood are peak years for the onset of schizophrenia. These are critical periods in a young adult's social and vocational development, and they can be severely disrupted by disease onset.

Schizophrenia is often described in terms of positive (or productive) and negative (or deficit) symptoms.[13] Positive symptoms include delusions, auditory hallucinations, and thought disorder, and are typically regarded as manifestations of psychosis. Negative symptoms are so-named because they are considered to be the loss or absence of normal traits or abilities, and include features such as flat or blunted affect and emotion, poverty of speech (alogia), anhedonia, and lack of motivation (avolition). Despite the appearance of blunted affect, recent studies indicate that there is often a normal or even heightened level of emotionality in Schizophrenia especially in response to stressful or negative events.[14] A third symptom grouping, the disorganization syndrome, is commonly described, and includes chaotic speech, thought, and behaviour. There is evidence for a number of other symptom classifications.

Well... I have disorganized thoughts... I sometimes feel like I am having a conversation with myself in my head. Almost like there's a voice in there. I also sometimes think I hear someone say something, that they don't... are these auditory hallucinations and dillusions? It sounds like it may, but I'm not sure...

I'm not really a mute, although I don't like talking in large groups of people.

I do isolate myself socially... all I do socially is smoke with my circle of friends... I avoid stressful social situations on a daily basis... even down to grocery shopping late at night so I do not have to be around so many people. I also have a social anxiety, constantly afriad to speak to strangers, and I always think people are talking about me and looking at me.

I am 21... so this is my late adolescence and early adulthood.

I do tend to get overly emotional about some things, and paranoid. And I am definatley not motivated, sometimes I am, but sometimes not...kind of a high/low type of person at times.


Well SHIT. If I didn't know better I'd say I'm a schizo... im not even sure... maybe I am a schizo...

What type of professional can I go talk to about this?

Can I tell them I get high off cannabis? How would you go about this? Thanks