What's the current status of Thai landraces?

[Dalaihempy]

Ganja Pasha hi mate getting people across borders and tons of mj is way different mate i know money talks but lets be real here the boarder near thialand would be like the dmz separating the 2 Koreas.

I live in the Asian pacific area of the world we had thia coming in by small plane by shipping and from reading i find that most of the thia imported to the rest of the world was shipped by us from there to here then out to the us and urope and so on.

The quality of thia was at its best up un till around the mid 80s from that point on it went down hill and then importation of thia slowed and completely stoped now if we did not get it and were in the region i find it hard to see how urope got it and still gets it in 2008 from thialand when the rest of us don't.

Now if you told me its being grown some were in urope id say yes big chance the reason i sed Albania is they since the fall death of hoga i belive his name was and communism the Albanian maffia not only grow big amounts of cannabis they deal in slavery organ trade and the list goes on the Albanians go into Greece steel Semi trucks/trailers bull dozes cars what ever and drive them into Albania they smuggle large amounts of cannabis into Greece and im betting Italia and im betting the UK as they also run the sex slave / trade there to correct ?.

Also Opium is grown in Albania thanks to a us agencies i wont name that set up training camps in Albania to train the kosovo liberation army Russia producet sat pictures showing large opium fields in Albania near the training camps.

Africa is not that far from urope is it you could go threw Morocco then to Spain and once in Spain your in urope or from Africa direct to other uropen countrys now if you tried to go threw thialand to say china even if you got it threw china whats your next place to get it threw India then the middle east don't think that will happen so then we have the Afghanistan or Pakistan ereas threw to Iran nope.

If it is coming from the Chinese Maffia what you don't think they don't have them in Spain or in urope like Canada has the Vietnam gangs growing cannabis in BC and in Australia now to they cant set up operations with in urope just like the Mexican maffia now grows with in the us also.

My problem is this if thia weed quality started to go bad in the mid 80s and importation slowed then completely stopet here and the rest of the world because of the us drug policy in thialand/ Asia in the 80s large commercial grows ended i find it hard to belive they be it Chinese maffia or who ever is importing it into the uk would first risk growing large crops in asia with such strong drug affences and then spend large amounts of money on paying people off to get large amounts of cannabis threw countrys and to urope from almost across the globe lets be real its all about the bottom $.

When Africa is just across from urope has still to this day wild populations of pure sativas and most of the African contenent is at war or in termoil and run by corrupt people.

 

[PointBlank]

Dalaihempy get your facts straight, 1st it's Europe, got it. second the mexican maffia is not growing in the US. Read last month High Times (arrest records of illegals). My cousin is eMe and they are not doing that as a whole, maybe members on their own. Another thing, the Mexican Maffia is a prision gang, on the outside the run under their own colors. You can still get real thia stick in cali, it's just rare to find, and yes it's dipped in opium. This is not a slam, just the facts.

 

[Guest]

You really are an offensive little turd aren't you?

Only one sentence of that post concerns you and I stand by what I said, the rest was about trafficking, but of course, in your usual self-important, obnoxious way, you have to try and make this about you, well it's not, so go away and leave the adults to discuss Thai varieties and related topics sensibly, your hatred and negativity is an absolute disgrace and just because this is an online forum rather than the real world, your behaviour is no more acceptable than it would be in a bar or restaurant, arrogance and aggression are not nice traits and you display them both like you're proud to be an asshole!

So let me get this straight, you completely misinterpret my words and follow that interpretation up with a lecture towards me. Where you are the instigator in the discussion, and after being notified that you've completely misunderstood the original words in question perceed to call me names, and then point the finger at me?

Even though you quoted me, not the other way around?

Even though you completely misunderstood and linked two subjects together, that had no relation to one another?


I think you may want to seek professional help man, and thats from the bottom of my heart. Mental illness is a serious subject, that has far ranging affects on all fascets of society. If you cant afford to seek the assistance, send me a pm and I will give you some information from organizations who support the treatment of mental illness whom have information on how to get these expenses funded.

 

[Dalaihempy]

No offence but High Times come on .


Read this

Mexican crime families run most of state's pot farms

By MIKE GENIELLA
THE PRESS DEMOCRAT



Illegal marijuana production is surging on the North Coast and across the state as a result of rising dominance of Mexican crime families over the state's underground pot economy.


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Scores of Mexican nationals are being sneaked across the border to grow, guard and harvest marijuana gardens inside California because tightened border security has crimped smuggling of Mexican-grown pot into the state, according to local, state and federal drug agents.
Full Article
http://www1.pressdemocrat.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060828/NEWS/608280305/1033/NEWS01

PointBlank there are diffrent mexican crime famlys and there called the mexican mafia also its not only "La eMe" mate.


The "Mexican Mafia", also known as "La eMe" (Spanish for the letter "M") or "Surenos" (Spanish for "Southern" - the area of L.A. where the gang is prevalent) is a Mexican American criminal organization, and one of the oldest prison gangs in the United States.

Maybe i should of used the term MEXICAN CRIME FAMILYS


They do call crime famlys mafia like italian maffia greek maffia Russian maffia irish maffia and so on.


Definition of MAFIA
Originally used to identify a specific Sicilian crime group, is now commonly used to identify any ethnic or regionally based crime organization.

The real name of the italian mafia is infact Cosa Nostra

 

[Guest]

Read last month High Times (arrest records of illegals). .

lol!! Noobs, you've got to love 'em! Hightimes? Are you kidding me kid? Hightimes? This is your source of information? Wow.

Most informed potsmen know Hightimes is full of more shit then your average farm. Its a magazine written for teeny boppers, designed for the MTV culture where facts do not matter, so much as a good story.

Dalaihempy get your facts straight, 1st it's Europe, got it. second the mexican maffia is not growing in the US..

There are indeed Mexican Drug Cartels growing marijuana in the US, so before you attack people for not getting their facts straight, atleast get your own facts straight!

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=02d_1186092600

Hempy obviously was speaking in the broadest of terms, and I understood what he meant clearly and Im willing to bet others did as well. But as you can clearly say, its pretty much a documented fact Mexican drug cartels are growing marijuana in the US.


peace

 

[DocLeaf]

Coffeeshops: Katsu (2007), Stones (c.2006), and Willie Wortels Sativa (c.2005), all carried Thai, Super Thai, or Thaistick on their menus...

see last photo : http://www.hempcity.net/cannabisshops/sativa/humungousmenujuly2005/index.html

peace

Hempy & Outlaw.

Willie Wortels and Katsu are some of the finest coffeeshops on earth. Their menus tend not to lie.

Just because you guys don't get import weed any more in your hood doesn't mean it don't still happen in other places of the world. Hong Kong has been a major trafficking port in Asia for the past 300 years or more, since the Opium Wars. UK gave them half a million passports at repatriation.

The trade in cannabis that Hong Kong turns over pisses all over Sydney or wherever it is you people grow. Please don't tell me its the gold-coast because the weed there is whack. My buddies just got back. Don't get me wrong I's also know gangsters from my neighbourhood that now live in your neck of the woods, but the facilitation of their trade still happens elsewhere.

Since you claim that imported Thai weed dried up in your area during the 1980's (which we doubt) there is little more you can do to discuss the facts supporting the current situation today (should this be the case). Other than what you have already said of course.

Now we have a feeling that you guys actually know how to grow nice sativa weed ... so please bring your experience in this matter to the table and we can all learn together. Rather than just shooting off from the mouth. That's not what this forum is about.

We notice that even your own threads on other forums get closed,, we don't want the trend to continue here.

This is a polite approach,, we hope it sinks in

Peace out
DocLeaf

 

[Dalaihempy]

Coffeeshops: Katsu (2007), Stones (c.2006), and Willie Wortels Sativa (c.2005), all carried Thai, Super Thai, or Thaistick on their menus...

see last photo : http://www.hempcity.net/cannabissho...2005/index.html

peace:

look close at the flower of the thia on display tell me that flower was imported from asia go on look at it real close and tell me it was jamed into a bale or did any real traveling bet it came from spain.

Willie Wortels and Katsu are some of the finest coffeeshops on earth. Their menus tend not to lie.:

I did not say he was but does he state its point of origin no he dont could be grown any place thia could be grown in cali and still be thia genetics.

The trade in cannabis that Hong Kong turns over pisses all over Sydney or wherever it is you people grow. Please don't tell me its the gold-coast because the weed there is whack. My buddies just got back. Don't get me wrong I's also know gangsters from my neighbourhood that now live in your neck of the woods, but the facilitation of their trade still happens elsewhere.:

You dont have a clue do you doc.

Sydney Connection

U.S./Australian drug network which, although it
was based in Sydney, was a global player and supplied the U.S. market as well as
Australia. The Australian principals of this network included Murray Riley, Frank
Nugan and Bela Csidei; the American principals were Jimmy Fratianno, Michael
Hand and Bernie Houghton. Because of their role as suppliers and transshipment
agents for the U.S. market, I refer to this group as ‘The Sydney Connection’. One
member of this network was Frank Nugan who was born in Griffith.
This version of the Sydney Connection (there have been others) came into
existence around about the time of the fall of Vietnam, and with the aid of a key
member of the CIA’s Eastern Division, Michael Hand. I suggest that the Sydney
Connection was caused by the CIA’s trans-Pacific drug trade moving south to
Sydney after the fall of Vietnam. It was this group which owned Coleambally and
consequently were responsible for the murder of Donald Mackay. They were the Mr
Bigs of the drug trade, they were allied with the Black Knights of the NSW police
force and knew they were ‘protected’.


John Wesley Egan and the
CIA’s Secret War

The pioneer of the SE Asia/Sydney/US drug route, the first Sydney Connection, was
a tall, handsome NSW Special Branch detective named John Wesley Egan. Educated
at Sydney Boy’s High School, Egan joined the police force as a cadet and later
became a detective with the Underwater Squad. He was a model cop, who was twice
recommended for bravery awards for his part in rescues at the Gap. His baby face
graced the Sydney afternoon papers; they called him a hero.
Egan’s involvement in heroin smuggling began after he joined the political
police, the Special Branch, and came via a CIA contact who recruited Egan as a drug
courier. The year was 1966 when Egan made the first trans-Pacific run from Hong
Kong to New York via Sydney, carrying two kilos of heroin hidden in a specially
made corset. Over the next months, Egan began making regular flights to New York,
taking periodic leave from his police job. Within four months his airfares with
Qantas amounted to $46,000 and, having exhausted all leave, he resigned from the
NSW police force and moved to New York.

From then on Egan hired other couriers to complete the chain — ‘clear skins’ like
himself, usually NSW police officers on leave — with the promise of $1,000-$2,000
for the seven-day run. Egan used the ‘shotgun technique’, booking three or more
couriers on the same flight, with a ‘supervisor’ riding along to make sure none
absconded. He kept 20 couriers in motion between Sydney and New York. Over a
six-month period in 1966-1967, Egan and his gang smuggled $22 million worth of
heroin into the USA, before a mistake by a courier led to Egan’s arrest.
Egan’s operation was huge, worth hundreds of million of dollars in today’s terms.
This remarkable narcotics ring, composed of NSW police officers led by a Special
Branch detective, became known as the ‘Corset Gang’. They were the first major
group ever arrested in the United States for smuggling Asian heroin into the US, the
pioneers of the Southeast Asia/Sydney/US route. Egan’s operation would leave the
NSW police well infected with the germs of the Sydney Connection.1
Egan accepted a deal and pleaded guilty, and spent only a few months in prison.
Released and deported back to Australia in 1972, Egan was the subject of a revealing
profile in The Bulletin. Egan told The Bulletin that the world’s heroin routes were either protected by, or actively participated in, by the police forces of the countries
concerned. Egan said he operated under full protection in Hong Kong and a
percentage of the take was passed back along the graft channels. He described how
the trafficking of heroin from Hong Kong, the warehouse for the opium rich areas of
the Golden Triangle in Thailand, Burma and Laos, was often accomplished by either
ex-policeman, as in his case, or currently-serving officers who wanted to make a
quick fortune. Often working or ex-members of the US Central Intelligence Agency
were used as couriers because such men had an excellent knowledge of customs
procedures and rarely raised suspicion. Egan pointed out that almost all of the major
drug seizures in recent years had not been the result of diligent searches by customs
or the police, but rather had come from information given by informers.
Egan estimated that, in the last ten years, 50 % of the narcotics sold in New York
had been handled by serving members of the police force. He cited the scandal that
erupted when it was discovered that 70 % of the elite Special Squad of the New
York Narcotics Bureau were dealing in narcotics. The method of operation was that
the heroin would be confiscated from dealers and placed in the property clerk’s
office for later use as evidence. Police would then ‘siphon off the evidence’ and sell
it back to the dealers. Often the confiscated heroin was given as a bribe for
information that would lead to more busts and perpetuate the chain of corruption.2
Egan understood ‘the Joke’ because he was part of it. When he said the heroin
trade was ‘police protected’ he spoke with an insider’s knowledge. ‘I am not talking
of petty graft but of corruption in the highest echelons of police forces,’ said John
Wesley Egan. ‘Organised crime figures and highly placed policemen are often the
same people’.

The CIA’s Secret War

As the story of John Wesley Egan and the Corset Gang shows, the CIA played a key
role in creating the Sydney Connection, and the agency would play an even larger
role in the second Sydney Connection.
The story of CIA involvement in the heroin trade was first told by American
historian Alfred McCoy in The Politics of Heroin in Southeast Asia. McCoy was
investigating the opium trade in Laos when he interviewed Colonel Maurice Belleux
of the French intelligence agency, Service de Documentation Exterieure et du
Contre-Espionage, the SDECE, who explained how his agency ran the opium trade
during the Indochina War to finance anti-Communist guerrillas. The Colonel then
surprised McCoy by adding that ‘your CIA’ took over the network. In the Laotian
villages, the locals told McCoy the same story; that their opium was bought by
Hmong soldiers and was flown out in US helicopters.4

McCoy traced US involvement with the opium trade back to the Second World
War. In 1959 this involvement intensified when the CIA co-ordinated a secret war in
Laos. The enemy was the communist Pathet Lao guerrillas; the U.S. proxy army was
the Hmong mercenary troops of the Laotian opium warlord Vang Pao. The CIA
funded this secret war through the heroin trade, exchanging drugs for guns, just as
they would later fund the Contras in Central America and the Mujaheddin rebels in
Afghanistan. McCoy warned that American involvement in the Laotian heroin trade
had gone far beyond coincidental complicity; embassies had consciously covered up
involvement by client governments; CIA contract airlines had carried opium, and
individual CIA men had abetted the heroin trade. As a result of direct and indirect
American involvement opium production had steadily increased, high-grade heroin
production was flourishing, and the Golden Triangle’s poppy fields had become
linked to global markets. The Golden Triangle produced 70% of the world’s illicit
opium and was capable of supplying the U.S. with unlimited quantities of heroin for
generations to come. Unless something was done to change America’s policies and
priorities in Southeast Asia, the drug crisis would deepen and the heroin plague
would continue to spread.

For Australia, McCoy’s warnings would prove prophetic.
McCoy suggested there was a ‘natural affinity’ between criminals and spies
because of their interest in the ‘clandestine arts’. Criminals gave spies a covert
network for political assassinations, smuggling, and intimidation while the criminals
gained protection for their rackets from these powerful allies, enabling them to
openly flaunt the laws. This natural affinity between US spies and criminals would
be demonstrated in Australia by the partnership of Murray Riley, an ex-detective
turned organised crime entrepreneur, and Michael Hand, a CIA contract agent who
had fought in the secret war in Laos.


Just a little read you dont know much doc try research in future.

 

[DocLeaf]

Cool research. From where was this information sourced? please.

It concures with what I's been saying,, the warehouse is Hong Kong.

btw i n i not interested in junk dealers,,, only the ones that sell sensi please

 

[Dalaihempy]

Australia has been used for the transit of illicit drugs destined for either New
Zealand or the United States of America. The detected incidence of Australia
being used for this purpose is low. However, because of its proximity to
source countries within South-East Asia it does provide international
traffickers with the opportunity to lose the origin of consignment.

Hiding the origin of consignment was the first advantage a shipment of drugs
from Asia gained by being transshipped through Sydney. The second advantage was that Sydney was an unlikely source for large shipments of heroin or cannabis, so ac onsignment from Sydney attracted far less attention than one from Asia. Far from being impractical, the Sydney Connection was a clever deception.




The origin of the Sydney Connection during the Vietnam War years explains this
patriotic composition of the highest level of the Australian drug trade, described by
John Wesley Egan as being composed of CIA spies and serving or ex-members of
the NSW police. It was far more than a drug network; it was a covert arm of US
power, an anti-Communist conspiracy which used Australia as a link between its
Asian drug armies and the U.S. market, covertly funding US wars in Asia this way.
Consequently, it enjoyed enormous protection in every country where it operated.
Just as it got away with drug running, this network got away with murder: in
particular, the murder of Donald Mackay.
In this work I have pieced together the story of one Sydney Connection, the story
of Murray Riley and the Nugan Hand bank. My first inkling of this group came when I noticed that there were a cluster of seizures in the 1970s that were TOO BIG
for the Australian market.


The Criminal Takeover of Pot Dealing

Along with the launch of the War on Drugs, the winter of 1976 brought with it a
criminal takeover of the pot dealing scene. Throughout the summer of 1976/77, the
underground press carried a number of reports of an attack on the old hippie dealing
network by organised crime. Although the reports came from all over Australia and
New Zealand, they were remarkably similar. Marijuana only dealers would be
visited by ‘heavies’ who offered a simple choice: either deal heroin or get out. Along
with US style prohibition, US style organised crime came to Australia.



The Second Sydney Connection

In 1975 the connections forged between Southeast Asia, Sydney and the USA during
the R and R years flowered into a reincarnation of John Wesley Egan’s Sydney
Connection. Around this time drug seizures in Australia increased massively. Many
of these seizures belonged to the USA/Southeast Asia drug trade which appears to
have been pushed south to Sydney after the fall of Vietnam. According to David
Deane-Spread, a former senior narcotics agent, Sydney became a favourite place for
shipping drugs bound for America at this time because a load of cargo marked as
coming from Australia aroused much less suspicion than one from Bangkok. Deane-
Spread pointed out:

The Americans combat the problems of trans-shipment to other ports by
having over 200 narcotic agents stationed around the world, mostly in South-
East Asia. They help local police raid heroin exporters and warn their
colleagues at home about shipments on their way. Australia has only one
narcotics officer in Asia - he is in Kuala Lumpur at the embassy.1

The details surrounding the birth of this second Sydney Connection are somewhat
sketchy. Unlike John Wesley Egan, the members of the second Sydney Connection
never confessed their conspiracy. Indeed, they perjured themselves in court, denying
they even knew each other. But the evidence indicates that another Sydney
Connection was formed sometime in 1975.




The role of Riley, like the role of Egan, was to organise the trafficking,
allowing the CIA to stand at arms length from the drug trade, acting as the honest
broker, literally the drug trade’s ‘bank’.
As well as his flirtation with Nugan Hand and the CIA, Riley frequently visited
San Francisco with other members of the Sydney Connection, including Bela Csidei,
Duke Countis and Harry Wainwright. Csidei and Riley were photographed meeting
US Mafia bosses (including Jimmy Fratianno) in San Francisco, an ideal
transshipment port on the US west coast, completing the Southeast Asia/Sydney/US
triangle.


Briefly, it seems highly probable that Hand knew Riley and Wainwright were
involved in drug trafficking and their requests for use of Nugan Hand facilities
for the movement of money in furtherance of their activity. And knowing this,
Hand assisted them not only by freely offering the use of those facilities, but
indeed encouraging that use.4
While Riley helped Wings Travels become the travel company of choice for a
network of couriers, Nugan Hand established a bank capable of moving money
around the Pacific rim, in particular, the Thailand-Australia-USA triangle.
Meanwhile, the criminal takeover of the old hippie network occurred, establishing a
large network in Australia for moving heroin as well as pot. It seems a well-planned
move, establishing the infrastructure for a re-routing of the Southeast Asian drug
trade via Sydney. It was a drug-smugglingconspiracy of global proportion, far larger
than Australia itself could maintain.

There is a a lot more so as you see sydney was a big player in not only moveing thia to the us hash and cannabis from other ereas also.

 

[AinSophAur]

Personally I don't think there is much quality thai bud being shipped out of thailand. A little too risky I think smuggling it through all those countries these days. I believe most is comming up through africa perhaps?

 

[PointBlank]

Outlawed420, I'm not a NOOB. I've been on this site for over a year and half, I just don't post. I used High Times as a general referance, because of my ex-job's background. Google search, also goes a long ways to find facts. According to Lou Dobbs on CNN news (Which is anti-immigrant) which you referranced. 80-90% of the MJ harvested in Cali on government lands, is being harvested by heavily armed drug Illegel Immigrant Cartels, and we know this is not true. This is CNN putting fear in people to drum up support for stronger border control, and illegel immigrant issues. I don't mean to get off tread, just research Cali drug bust statistics. As I stated earlier you can still get thia stick in LA, it's just rare to find.
Peace

 

[Elevator Man]

I had the pleasure of cutting open that bundle at last today, and picking the fattest stick I could find - it's the same stuff, but even better than before. The sticks were stuck together with their own resin, and when cut open, are slightly pliable, and very fresh - the best batch yet, as the Captain used to say. And I got the tiger label for my scrapbook...

 

[afghanica]

I had the pleasure of cutting open that bundle at last today, and picking the fattest stick I could find - it's the same stuff, but even better than before. The sticks were stuck together with their own resin, and when cut open, are slightly pliable, and very fresh - the best batch yet, as the Captain used to say. And I got the tiger label for my scrapbook...

Very cool. I haven't seen Thai-stick since the late 70's, maybe early 80's.

Have you popped any of those seeds?

 

[Guest]

Do you really expect anyone to read all of that hempy? Yes, its well known the Australians are a major importer/exporter in the marijuana industry. You didnt need 15,000 words to get the point acrossed man.

peace

 

[Dalaihempy]

Do you really expect anyone to read all of that hempy? Yes, its well known the Australians are a major importer/exporter in the marijuana industry. You didnt need 15,000 words to get the point acrossed man.

peace

Well its there if they want to and it is not well known what roll Australia had in the drug trade in fact i have lots more i could post proveing how much was in fact grown here and then imported to the us market.

Also i found some very interesting info on thia that was imported to here then to the us in fact most if not all thia came here then exported to the us and other country that got it.

The Australian connection first went to thialand aranged it with the army in the golden triangle for x amount of tons of thia to be first grown for import into Australia he also aranged for transport then storage and then for it to be loaded onto shipping for it to be sent to Australia for use in owe domestic market and for the large % of it to be then sent to the Us via San Francisco so as i see it i was the one called out and told i had no idea on things and also that Sydney and Australia had no part if it did was so small it was not worth reporting on wrong.

 

[Elevator Man]

Very cool. I haven't seen Thai-stick since the late 70's, maybe early 80's.
Have you popped any of those seeds?

I grew some halfway - in my signature link below. Sadly I'm having to delete many old pics now, so check it while you can! A few other members are growing some out now, including some six-foot monsters that Lougrew! has...

 

[EddieShoestring]

once i got my tolerance down enough to get a hit off of it-i found that the weed under discussion didn't give me a racy-trippy cerebral high. I felt that there was a significant indica component and while it didn't send me to sleep it was definatly subdueing-

any other opinions on the buzz?

eddie

 

[Guest]

It's definitely not a racy, trippy type sativa high, that's been discussed before. I've sampled the first 3 types of sticks so keen to sample these new ones. The narcotic quality doesn't come from some indica genes though, some sativas (as DJ Short has written about) can be dreamy, sleepy and narcotic, DJ describes the Chocolate Thai and Panama Red as being like this. Just as all indicas are not stony, not all sativas are cerebral and trippy.

Other opinions on the buzz? Lots of my friends have smoked some of this Thai, they all find it the same - red-eyed, dreamy, smily, happy mellow high, a kick back and listen to tunes or veg to a movie kind of high, but not all all like an indica, no body stone, no melting into the couch. It reminds me a lot in the nature of it's high of the Colombians I've grown.

One thing to bear in mind is the age of the sticks, THC oxidises and breaks down, erhaps the fresh buds/sticks are rather more 'up' in the nature of their effects and as they age, their is a change in the chemical composition of the active compounds and they become more mellow and dreamy? Elevator Man just told me that the new sticks are the same variety as the prior batches, the difference with the new sticks is that they are much fresher and been better 'preserved' during transit, so I'm very keen to try them. EM says they are more potent, and very potent indeed, knowing EM's tolerance, that tells me they are pretty potent. I'm sure it would be telling and fascinating to chemically analyse these new sticks and some of the older, drier less fresh ones to see what THC % they contain, probably the fresher ones are higher in THC as less of the THC has broken down into other substances over time.

I need to take some upto date pictures, but there is bugger all indica in these girls, grown from the seeds from the sticks:

 

[Kenny Lingus]

There IS bricked thai in dutch shops, but it could be grown anywhere. Not many seeds per gram either.

PS! Pasha: Thanks for coffee chat yesterday. Hope the deo works its wonders now!

 

[Elevator Man]

I'll pick up another stick at the weekend and get some close-up pics, including a cut-open shot.