what's causing this?

[Aurora Indica]

Hi guys! Can someone help me out, thanks in advance!

Concern : The spots on my leaves, and the leaves kinda curling up.
Seedling Age: its been 11 days since she first broke thru soil.
Watered : she has been watered 2 times so far during the 11 days of growth.
Light : 2 X CFL (23 Watts) each, they are 1.5 inches away from plant top. (*side note* She is sharing these lights with another seedling. However, the other seedling is doing fine, they're the same strain, same age, same growing medium, same everything)
Light Sched: 18/6
Temps: 73F Day/ 60-63F Evening
pH: Soil 6.9 / purified water 7.2
Medium : fresh potting mix, perlite, dol.lime
Feeding: no nutes yet

 

[glock23]

I think you might be overwatering by the sound of it. If you aren't, maybe you can give them a 1/4 strength nute dose just as a security measure...

 

[Dr Green]

First off, watering twice in 11 days? That must be some perlite you have in there. Use the old finger test and if you get water at one inch or moist soil...you are fine if NOT, then water them..also, I would move the light up higher...let the little babies do their thing...I run them as high as 15 inches but I am using the Tek 5 lighting system...8 bulb units, 3 of them..they love to veg...lol..

The bottom one sure looks nice...good luck...

 

[guineapig]

It is possible that the pH is a bit too high?

Otherwise i'm really not sure.....I would go with 1/10th strength rather than 1/4th personally.....those are some young little seedlings there!!!

 

[DrLongbottom]

Hi Aurora, your ph is too high!! In a soil grow you should water with a ph of 6-6.3, the natural buildup of salts will raise your ph up towards 7. peace DLB

 

[Aurora Indica]

thanks for the feedback guys! I think I'm more on the under-watering side...
i guess 2 waterings in 11 days might've hurt them. I guess they're "super-perlite", lol. Also do you think 1.5" is too close to the plant top? Should I go for about 3 inches? Anyone else? Any different point of views? Please keep the comments coming, thanks!

edit....didn't see the new posts, thanks for the feedback! so it might be a ph problem huh? i was kinda thinking about that too... so do u guys think it's a mixture of underwatering + ph? Thanks for helping out a fellow grower girl!

 

[glock23]

Aurora, welcome to IC How did you distribute the perlite in the soil? Is all of it sitting on top or what? That looks almost like it's all perlite. That was going to be my first question, but I read your post again and started writing all over again.

guineapig...you're right, 1/4 is too strong. i'm using a super dilute solution of water, h2o2, indonesian bat guano and norwegian kelp for my hindu kush seedling...nothing on the durga mata or afghani yet. for some strange reason, i have one unsexed plant of each strain...I get 100% with the afghani, but the kush and dm don't germ quite as readily. 50% for the dm...something like 16% for the kush.

 

[Aurora Indica]

Hi Glock, thanks for the nice welcome!
Good question....yes the soil, perlite, and dol.lime are mixed in well, I just dressed the top with a thin layer of perlite, i heard it helps decrease the chance of fungus in some book. Good observation though.... Maybe i should give them a lil bit of nute (very weak dosage), if they dont bounce back up by tomorrow maybe i'll give her some foxfarm growbig. Hey do you have a durga mata grow going? i was really interested in that strain after i had some experiences with their sensistar

 

[CaptJamesTKirk]

I'm seeing a classic case of over attentive disorder.

the plants are looking overwatered - and I read something about "your read somewhere that a thin layer of pearlite can reduce fungus" - and you don't have a fungus problem to start with. hmmmmmmmmmmm.

These plants have grown for centurys with out pearlite to prevent fungus - - get the hint?

Quit pestering them and let them grow.

Now about that overwatering.

STOP IT!

MJ likes to get a little dry between waterings. You don't want them to droop - but a little droop is your very best indicator they are thirsty and would appreciate a drink. - overwatering will kill them - underwatering isn't good either, but if it's one or the other,, lighter is somewhat better. Part of the kink is when it's soaked at the bottom and dry on top - the sprout has a tap rood all the way down - it's wet - might want to repot and get it evened out. Then water in gradually increasing amounts to get the roots growing out and down. It makes it a lot easier ifyou start in really small pots - I use a 10 oz styro cup for seeds and clones - it's a lot easier to figgure if it needs water, yeah ya gotta transplant every 2 or 3 weeks, bbut it forces a nice tight root mas - that is all filled in and healthy. roots like that - the top side will follow.

Don't feel bad - IMO watering is a skill and an art form, ZEN kinda thing.

Kirk out.

 

[Aurora Indica]

I'm seeing a classic case of over attentive disorder.

the plants are looking overwatered - and I read something about "your read somewhere that a thin layer of pearlite can reduce fungus" - and you don't have a fungus problem to start with. hmmmmmmmmmmm.

These plants have grown for centurys with out pearlite to prevent fungus - - get the hint?

Quit pestering them and let them grow.

Now about that overwatering.

STOP IT!

MJ likes to get a little dry between waterings. You don't want them to droop - but a little droop is your very best indicator they are thirsty and would appreciate a drink. - overwatering will kill them - underwatering isn't good either, but if it's one or the other,, lighter is somewhat better. Part of the kink is when it's soaked at the bottom and dry on top - the sprout has a tap rood all the way down - it's wet - might want to repot and get it evened out. Then water in gradually increasing amounts to get the roots growing out and down. It makes it a lot easier ifyou start in really small pots - I use a 10 oz styro cup for seeds and clones - it's a lot easier to figgure if it needs water, yeah ya gotta transplant every 2 or 3 weeks, bbut it forces a nice tight root mas - that is all filled in and healthy. roots like that - the top side will follow.

Don't feel bad - IMO watering is a skill and an art form, ZEN kinda thing.

Kirk out.

Maybe u should take another read at what i actually wrote.....i said it helps decrease the CHANCE of fungus. im not going to apply perlite when i actully end up with fungus. and did i say that it was a concrete law of growing? NO, i just said it was mentioned in a book and i thought of taking up on it and about over watering, i doubt it...my plants arent even drooping. watering 2 times in 11 days is not over watering. what are you trying to get at? you didnt even read my post, i never said my plants were drooping, and the picture definitely shows that too. my concern was about the spots....can i get some real help on my spots? over attentative...geez what do u think this is my first few grow?? just becuz i have a few posts do you automatically assume that im a young newbie grower?? lol

 

[Aurora Indica]

Anyways, can i get some help here regarding my actual concern? She seems to be the ONLY one out of the bunch (1/8). You guys think it's just a bad runt or something? These are DP blueberry. All the rest seem to be doin fine, just this one...... I guess Online Help Desk Threads are only for NEWBIES or something? So sometimes a seasoned grower cant run into issues that they have never seen before? What happened to the days when it was for a community of growers who was actually concerned?

 

[CaptJamesTKirk]

read YOUR reply and tell me what concearn you show - besides for yourself?

you sling shit and wonder why your sitting alone

shine on ass wipe

 

[Aurora Indica]

do u like to pick fights with girls over the net or something? chill out man, did i offend you cuz you were supposed to sound like you know your stuff? if i was rude i shouldve caught heat with all the other replies, funny how you're the only one. and what other concerns should i mention on a "Cannabis Infirmary Thread" besides help on my plant? where is your reasoning? i totally ignored your second reply, and you come back at me again.....


p.s. i guess this 3yr old has the ability to reason with you....lol is that so Charlie Brown? lol

 

[Dr Green]

I like "girls"....smile

 

[sproutco]

Ph is too high. Needs to have warmer nights like 68 degrees.

 

[pieceofmyheart]

hey aurora...do I know you?

Capt Kirk gave you most excellent advice, what brought on your rudeness about it? I agree with what he said. When you start a thread asking for advice, you are going to get all kinds, pick which one sounds best to you and drive on with it.

over attentive disorder....leave em alone and let em grow

I mean man...they are only on their second set of leaves in that pic.

BTW, I do believe that the lights are too close, I'd back then up to about 4 inches, maybe 5 until those seedlings get a bit more vigor to them.

Maybe he assumed you were a new grower because of the type of questions you are asking.

 

[Erin Kerrik]

You guys think it's just a bad runt or something?

Yes.

 

[pieceofmyheart]

^ hahahaha waaaayyyyy to soon to tell anything like that

What is purified water? is it distilled? or RO?

 

[Aurora Indica]

hey aurora...do I know you?

Capt Kirk gave you most excellent advice, what brought on your rudeness about it? I agree with what he said. When you start a thread asking for advice, you are going to get all kinds, pick which one sounds best to you and drive on with it.

over attentive disorder....leave em alone and let em grow

I mean man...they are only on their second set of leaves in that pic.

BTW, I do believe that the lights are too close, I'd back then up to about 4 inches, maybe 5 until those seedlings get a bit more vigor to them.

Maybe he assumed you were a new grower because of the type of questions you are asking.

His attitude was already like "you're a newbie and im your matster". i didnt like that. you dont just come to someones help thread and start trying to make them look stupid so you can feel great about yourself. If he was truly concerned about my grow, then he shouldve addressed it properly, not telling me this and that about perlite and other issues. And what is it about this over attentive disorder? Is visitng your grow 2 times in 11 days alot?? i dont understand your reasoning at all. Right so they are on their second set of leaves, as you know in seedlings this small, it is uncommon for many of the deficiencies to have set in.So that was my concern ok? U dont see a logic in that or something? dont tell me about being rude or not, you should never try to approach someone in a way where u think you're better then them. he already assumed i was a newbie cuz i asked a question??? if even the pro's did not make mistakes or have issues, we would not be able to help others/and our selves. there is ALWAYS room to learn. i mean just becuz i asked about some spots on my leaves, so many people ASSUME that i'm a newbie? Is that the only way you guys can think of someone asking for help? Ive been growing for many years and always ended up with great harvests and never had i had a problem like this, so i asked a simple question......and all of a sudden, people who don't even know who iam, they have the right to tell me that im a newbie cuz of a certain question? how ignorant is that? if we dont know something related to growing are we automatically newbies that need to be slammed on? and NO, i did not show anyone disrepect when i first posted for help here, if you read, u can tell that i got along with everyone that has replied. they knew what they were talking about and they didnt have to do it by assuming such ignorance and by acting like they wrote a whole book on growing... he came in here with the wrong attitude so i spoke up....do u let people talk to u in rude manners and u just take it in? r u getting offended for him? .....anyways, i agree with the light distance part....i'll go for a 4inch gap, thanks

-btw distilled water-(edited water info)
p.s. hope u dont get the wrong idea, im not trying to get at you (not my intention)....just explaining myself.

 

[Aurora Indica]

I like "girls"....smile