WHAT ORGANIC NUTES ARE BEST FOR HYDRO?

[UNREGISTRD]

redux is a smart fellow and does not just take someones word for it. He actually investigates his findings. Thats why I am hitting him up he'll know the facts. Plus, I used the pirahna and all and I remember in our pow wow he told me but I was stoned of my ass and I am scared I am going to run into problems now. Its all good though.

ahh nice!!!! ya im intrested to hear his facts!! so im wondering what hes saying is the bacteria causes a bad algea or soemthing???

 

[damakkus]

hey damakkas.......i tried piranah and tarantula in my DWC...tried it with several different grows and even went to AN forums to get help

all i had was terrible bad luck with the stuff
as soon as i quit using it...everything went back to normal

i mean to tell you that stuff F'd up 3 grows in a row...i thought i was doing something wrong...

but...your system is diff than mine so hopefully it will work out for u

just please keep a close watch on your plants till you know how it's gonna be
mj

I hear you mtnjohn. What problems did you run into? I have had a good eye on them everyday. But a strange fellow told me one day to sprinkle a little piranha and tarantula in the rockwool hole before you put the rooted cutting in. The one thing I am noticing that will change pH is algea. I dont know how or if its a fact, it is just what I have noticed. Does anyone know what causes a fluctating pH?

UNREGISTRD - I am dying to know myself.

 

[Guest]

Damakkus - I'm still learning this hydro thing and wish I had more info regarding bacteria/mychorriza to share regarding rockwool. Here's a link to another thread in this section for someone using PBP in hydro and he created an interesting bacteria 'reactor'. I mentioned this info in a previous post but did not include the link. I've seen people use similar filter media just not the way he does. Didn't notice what grow media he's using though but that info might be buried in some of his previous posts at IC.

I was also told by a grower to add beneficial bugs to the rockwool as a top feed but come to find out he does not have that much experience with rockwool. I later ran into someone else whose face went white when I asked the same question and he said emphatically 'Don't do it'. I'll see the dude in a few weeks and will talk to him more about it...until I get some solid info I'm not adding any of these supplements to my rockwool. I gotta install my continuous monitor meter that's been sitting in a box and watch pH more closely including testing runoff. I just started a new cycle so it's the perfect time to record data.

Gaiusmarius said res aeration causes pH to rise as phosphorous 'dissipates'...or something like that. I talked to a friend and he confirmed this but mentioned it's prolly more of a problem with organic nutes tan something like GH due to different sources for phosphorous. Gaiusmarius said do not aerate the res but he's using coco but believe he runs his starts in rocwool cubes so check out his 'dripper' sticky for more details. I'm checking out House and Gardens product line and on the literature they emphatically say 'Do not us an air pump in the res as it causes changes in EC and pH'.

 

[mtnjohn]

I hear you mtnjohn. What problems did you run into? I have had a good eye on them everyday. But a strange fellow told me one day to sprinkle a little piranha and tarantula in the rockwool hole before you put the rooted cutting in. The one thing I am noticing that will change pH is algea. I dont know how or if its a fact, it is just what I have noticed. Does anyone know what causes a fluctating pH?

hey D...

the problems i had with T&P were...as follows

.......it created a serious slime on the plants roots
(AN said this was good, that it was the benficials colonizing the root
zone) i thought it was suffocating my plants
.......also my ph fuctuated wildly
.......plant health greatly suffered, just generally very sad looking plants

i tried and tried to use it successfully to no avail...like i said it fucked up 3 grows in a row.

and..........as soon as i stopped using it my grows were all fine and dandy


another porduct by AN that i will never use again is "bud blood"
...my girls hated that stuff too, way too strong for my strains
good luck D
mj

on a side note ..i gave the T&P to a friend to se if it worked out in soil
.........she had one terrible grow and then threw the shit out...her worst grow ever

 

[damakkus]

Redux - I have not used it since I spoke to you at our pow wow. I have another batch of Somango coming up that I did not use any piranha or tarantula just to see if there is a difference. I would love to hear more once you meet with your friend. For now, at least what I have seen, everything is going fine with adding the supplements. But remember how I have applied it. The strange fellow told me this was the key to using piranha and tarantula with rockwool. He said most peeps mix the stuff in the res and that is a no no he said. I dunno. I dont even know if bacteria/mychorriza is good/bad anymore.

I followed your link and basically what dude did is make a wet/dry filter type deal that builds up good bacteria. I wasnt sure what the companion en/an stuff is. I didnt get where the bacteria is a problem with rockwool or even how the pH would fluctuate because of the combination of the two or how the combination of the stuff can be a problem. I am confused and too baked.

 

[damakkus]

mtnjohn - you popped in there on me. I hear you for sure. I went hog wild on the AN line to find my plants hated the stuff. I used the piranha and tarantula this run as an experiment basically, and then ran into redux who said it wasnt good. But then again it could be how I have used it this time. I dunno. Honestly, I think sticking to the basics is best but I bought the shit so you know I wanted to try it. Especially, after this guy told me it was the key to using it with rockwool. Any other way and it makes a mess.

 

[BudZad7]

Hi All ! Nice Info from various ways of mixing ferts....
I decided to try something simple that works for soil, only this is in a 6"x6" cube
1st soak the cube with Maxicrop liquid seaweed 1/2 oz to 1/2 gal of RO water PH 5.5 and 1-8 oz cup Blast Off, this cube soaks up about this amount.....let soak for 4+ hrs that's it, or you can soak it overnight , but I've noticed no difference, and the grow cube company says that you add PH 5.5-5.8 RO water
with light fert solution and the runoff will be a higher PH, because of root activity, and this is normal, so do not adjust PH, just keep adding your PH ad-
justed light fert solution and all should be fine.....then every 2 weeks flush the
cube..then start all over again....so far so good..see


Peace!!


The above is Veg mode:

This is Flower mode:
RO water PH 5.8
Every week Maxicrop liquid seaweed 1/2 oz per 1/2 gal water + 1-8oz cup
Blast Off + 1 tsp Sucanat (sugar cane natural) instead of black strap molasses less gunky/sticky in the cube..this is my liquid karma..LOL!!!

Daily ferts are:
Super Bloom A/B -3 tsp each of A/B in 1 gal water as a base EC-2.6
this is 4 days worth of ferts @ 1/4 gal a day,so this 1/4 gal of ferts is mixed
with a 16oz cup of RO water PH 5.8, then the EC level is 1.8.....900 ppm
Now more goodies are to be added to this base mix:
Cal Mag+.....1/4 tsp
Pot Of Gold..3/4 tsp
Sugar Daddy...3/4--1tsp
AN/ Big Bud.....1/2 gram dry powder
mix these in and the EC is 1.8.....900 ppm....PH--5.8 this is poured over the
main cube and then mini cubes on the outer edge of container & the runoff is
a steady EC--1.0---1.6....and PH 7.0-----7.8.......and all is looking GOOD
see


started flowering 1/28/07...11 days and look at this...not to shabby..for a 10
week flower strain....
Peace!!

 

[mtnjohn]

mtnjohn - you popped in there on me. I hear you for sure. I went hog wild on the AN line to find my plants hated the stuff. I used the piranha and tarantula this run as an experiment basically, and then ran into redux who said it wasnt good. But then again it could be how I have used it this time. I dunno. Honestly, I think sticking to the basics is best but I bought the shit so you know I wanted to try it. Especially, after this guy told me it was the key to using it with rockwool. Any other way and it makes a mess.

hey D ...yea i was pissed bigtime ..when t&p didnt work for me
that stuff's not cheap..luckily i bought the smallest size of both

i thought about returning it...you know "the AN performance guarantee"
but i thought that maybe the peeps who did that ..get busted..hahahah
so i just gave it away...it eventually did find it's way into the trash can tho
mj

 

[Guest]

The strange fellow told me this was the key to using piranha and tarantula with rockwool. He said most peeps mix the stuff in the res and that is a no no he said. I dunno. I dont even know if bacteria/mychorriza is good/bad anymore.

I followed your link and basically what dude did is make a wet/dry filter type deal that builds up good bacteria. I wasnt sure what the companion en/an stuff is. I didnt get where the bacteria is a problem with rockwool or even how the pH would fluctuate because of the combination of the two or how the combination of the stuff can be a problem. I am confused and too baked.

That's what the first dude said was top feed a heavy concentration of bacteria but no matter what you did the critters will find their way into the res. Bacteria/mychorriza are essential IMO but I'm a little confused myself about their use in rockwool.

I really like the idea of that separate bacteria 'reactor'...especially when using organic nutes in hydro. The setup is very similar to a salt water aquarium. Once the culture 'pops' and becomes established it will act as a buffer helping to regulate the enviro. A mediumless setup like DWC has no buffering capacity. Coco is prolly the best medium for hydro style growing regarding buffering ability from what I understand.

 

[damakkus]

Redux - I am working my way towards coco. I have been doing my homework on it before I take the dive. Coco just sounds so good. It has some natural bacteria built in it or something like that.

 

[Guest]

It has some natural bacteria built in it or something like that.

Yup. The recent tsunami in South East Asia caused some problems as the salt water severely damaged coco production though. I heard most coco had to be rinsed excessively to remove the salt which also removed much of the natural bacteria and trace minerals. Supposedly Israel produces some coco and this material was obviously not affected.

as for this thread and organic nutes I'm still researching and will experiment soon...I hope. Thanx for the info regarding organic hydro nutes y'all...good stuff!

 

[NowhereFast]

ok so the biobizz foam issue? any more info on that? bio grow? biobloom? formulas changed lately maybe? cause at the moment ive had a 16 gallon res for my E&F tray, with biobloom and topmax bubbling in it for 3 days and ive seen no foam at all. the biobloom ive always bought wasnt really all that thick. ive heard the grow is thick but dunno.

so anyway, ebb an flow with biobloom and topmax and using diatomite as a medium. no huge probs so far but this is first time running ebb an flow also so still gettin it dialed. so anyone still havin foam issues, or anyone with any knowledge about biobizz wanna chime back in on this? thanks guys

 

[gromer]

Advanced Nutes Rule Every one else DROOLS

Advanced Nutes Rule Every one else DROOLS

Advanced Nutrients rule!ONLY I Repeat only nutrients on the market that are formulated 4 growing marijuana.Any 1 growing pot not using them is FOOLISH.Any1 to use them and have poor results IT WAS USER ERROR I PROMISE YOU.And lastly the benefits of beneficial bacteria and mycorrhizal fungi can not be described with laguage and any1 who throws away Piranha and Tarantula should be left on a desserted island 2 be forgotten 4 ever. There i am done. Any body who wants proof and to see the best looking plants in cyberspace should visit the advanced nutrients medical forums.These growers r PROS and know what they r doing.

 

[Hundredproof]

no votes for Canna?

any one try any of thier stuff for hydro?

 

[Tomatoesonly]

I switched to Botanicare stuff, and am wondering how important it is to keep the solids floating? Everything is covered in solids... the rez, the controller, the individual buckets. And just what are these solids?

 

[Leon Sanders]

did you know that AN owns a company HUMMER, all decked out in AN logos. I've seen the damn atrocity myself. That company is ass backwards in ethics and I can now totally see why their products costs 4x anything else.

Advanced Nutrients rule!ONLY I Repeat only nutrients on the market that are formulated 4 growing marijuana.Any 1 growing pot not using them is FOOLISH.Any1 to use them and have poor results IT WAS USER ERROR I PROMISE YOU.And lastly the benefits of beneficial bacteria and mycorrhizal fungi can not be described with laguage and any1 who throws away Piranha and Tarantula should be left on a desserted island 2 be forgotten 4 ever. There i am done. Any body who wants proof and to see the best looking plants in cyberspace should visit the advanced nutrients medical forums.These growers r PROS and know what they r doing.

 

[pezoholic]

Also AN founders are FORMER PORN STARS....THEY KNOW JACK FUCKIN SHIT ABOUT GROWING....they just hired people/bought/reworked formulas already out....Anyone got/meet these people at the hydro expo in SF???

 

[The Bling]

i use maxsea 16-16-16 1 tbsp epsom per gallon along with molasses, worm castings/ compost tea, And as always guano towards the end of it all. Seems to work well and its not all that expensive.

maxsea has nitrogen derived from ammonium nitrate so its not organic FYI

 

[Tarbosh]

interestingly enough..... no one has mentioned bio-buckets..... solves the issue of breakdown in hydro......

the reactor was the closest thing to bio-buckets..... but the way they work is benes are cultivated in the media(lavarock) and feed the plants directly at the roots just like benes in soil..... they are also placed in the rez(optional) to keep the numbers high and make sure they have first crack at any issues that may develop......

first there was hurtback..... then there was big-toke...... now bio-buckets seem to be making their way well into the future......


I would like to mention that yes BT originally used GH in his setup, however, I see no reason that organics would be an issue and have talked to a few people that have run systems with them and give the setup the greenlight for both synthetic and hydro organic..... now the yields are another story...... not sure what they would look like side by side in identical biobucket systems..... but well..... just want to contribute to help all those seekers out there......

there is a way......

here it is:

http://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=8182


ps. would also like to mention that I feel that using a tea would only help the numbers of benes in your system.....


All the best,

Light,

Bosh