Rexel
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Maybe you mean no more than 1200 µS? Siemens scale? 500ppm is 1.0 EC with 0.5 conversion.
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What nutriet line would you suggest? I feed by hand and use coco
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Your results are in all honour, which looking real awesome, but to have a really good comparison, you would have to make the comparison yourself. Your scheme vs. AN Grandmaster. There can and most likely will be too many factors involved to be able to explain why. I have often seen the same cuts perform differently in different systems. Light spectrum, Temperatures, stress at pre-bloom state what curbs root growth, etc.
Without meaning any offence or demeaning, the comparison is unfortunately not a real comparison. I am also convinced that everything that leans more towards sour diesel (foxtails*
) can be an diva from time to time. Thats where the full Grandmaster really kicks in, and sometimes not in a good way i imagine.If u guys like to make another comparioson, it would being smarter to only use the A+B, nothing extra on top. Also, what exactly did ur friend use? Sensi? Connoiseur? Sadly, there is a world of difference between these two.
Shame on AN for that.* Im still hunting for the very old X-Dog "Sour Diesel phenotype" from back then from 2013'ish, that was an diva too if fed too well with N and too less of P-K on the otherside to keep it balanced.
Jacks321.
Add a bit of Silica Blast
a bit of Mr. Fulvic to aid chelating
a bit of MPK for bloom boost week 3-5/6 Hydroplex or Haifa
Bill Farthings DIY nutes
http://opensalts.wikidot.com/
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Hiddenjems
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Or you could just toss in some more of the 5 12 26 fertilizer you already have, if you feel the need for “bloom boosting”.
Been pleased lately after switching from Canna Coco to Greenleaf (maker of MegaCrop) nutes. The 2 part formula is basically the same as Jack's minus Epsom. They have a 12-0-3 CalMag boost, and a PK blast. Part A, the CalMag, and the PK bud enhancer are yielding very Nice results. Nugs are tighter, heavier, and stinkier. They have a thread here on IC, and their website has coupon codes so you can get Free nutes to try if you pay shipping costs.
Here's a Black Rainbow from Seedstockers unpruned, au naturale
Here's a Black Rainbow from Seedstockers unpruned, au naturale
Very nice. I always get mixed up with the type of nutrients people talk about because Megacrop has so many. Were you using the 8-12-28 megacrop formula?
Hi @bixxie ,
Yes that’s the Part A , 8-12-28. The B is a 15.5-0-0 . I know, they have a lot of different blends/formulas. The original 1 part is great except for the clumping. That’s why I decided to to try their 2 part.
Happy Growing!!
I'm going ok with Yara kristalon brown and Yara Calcinit. I do have other stuff such as MKP, epsom and organic acids. I also bought some DTPA iron chelate as I feel their mix is light on iron. The base and calcium nitrate came to $158 NZD for 25kg of each. I don't think anything else even comes close to that price. Not in my corner of the world anyway. first round with it was average as but now using potassium carbonate instead of hydroxide to adjust pH it's going good
Any fert I buy from here will be other salts to adjust the base profile as I see fit. Worked out perfect cos I'm broke as shit right now
, no money to buy fancy plastic bottles and water, which I've tried a variety of and found them all to be much of a muchness 
Any fert I buy from here will be other salts to adjust the base profile as I see fit. Worked out perfect cos I'm broke as shit right now
, no money to buy fancy plastic bottles and water, which I've tried a variety of and found them all to be much of a muchness 
Ca++
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Though I suggested the clay based flora stuff, I was thinking about global availability. Plus the ease of use. SSHZ used it with calmag, in some impressive diaries elsewhere. It's actually high in Ca and Mg already though, so I'm not sure the calmag was useful.
Over here, I use Ionic. Another single bottle, of either grow or bloom. Humic and fulvic already in it.
Mixing salts isn't for everyone. Sometimes you just want to reach for one bottle, and their is no evidence that yields are effected by that simplicity. The price might actually suit a small tent grower, just wanting a few months supply. Though salts are much cheaper, if you want to do something worth buying a few 25kg bags for.
I'm basically using Ionic, but buying amendment salts to feel like I'm doing something.
Sands interesting. Commercial trials have used it, because it's easy to sift and use again. I'm not sure if any commercial use of the method continued though. They used a specific one, and I guess sand is silica, so there's that.
Over here, I use Ionic. Another single bottle, of either grow or bloom. Humic and fulvic already in it.
Mixing salts isn't for everyone. Sometimes you just want to reach for one bottle, and their is no evidence that yields are effected by that simplicity. The price might actually suit a small tent grower, just wanting a few months supply. Though salts are much cheaper, if you want to do something worth buying a few 25kg bags for.
I'm basically using Ionic, but buying amendment salts to feel like I'm doing something.
Sands interesting. Commercial trials have used it, because it's easy to sift and use again. I'm not sure if any commercial use of the method continued though. They used a specific one, and I guess sand is silica, so there's that.
All my friends use bottles, but in recent years they're all two parts anyway so pretty much the same. I did run flairform bloom 1 part 2-2-6 for many years and it was great, but they changed the NPK profile a few years back. I'm trying to learn more around nutrient salts and ppm's so the salts suit well for that. Hell I used bottles for years knowing it's a have but doing so for the ease and convenience of someone else doing the ground work. Back then was @ 600W tent, now I'm running 1830w getting 3-4lb so nutrient cost is getting high and competition is strong driving street price down so trying to cheap out anywhere I can 
Ca++
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2 2 6 is a lot of K, but in coco high K isn't terrible, if the Ca & Mg are also high.
We often look at the problematic K of coco (about 200ppm perhaps) and think that's got it covered itself. We still add more though, because the Na needs suppressing. We can't get rid of the Na, so must increase what it competes with. K Ca Mg primarily.
2 2 6 might be used to give 160N and 70P, which is reasonable in soil or coco. It's not quite for me though. I like more N and less P. Just 35P should be enough, to readily reach 80% of our plants potential. Which is actually a respectable yield, which only the very best of grows can better. For most users here, more than 35P is just a waste, and plants are very good at avoiding P toxicity. In my coco grows, the P just tends to leach out. I obviously fancy myself, so use about 60ppm, but it's really quite pointless. N though, I'm up there at 180ppm or more.
K.. I'm still undecided. More than N though. I think 25% more, just stops problems with it. While 50% more seems satisfying. To my ego, you know.
We often look at the problematic K of coco (about 200ppm perhaps) and think that's got it covered itself. We still add more though, because the Na needs suppressing. We can't get rid of the Na, so must increase what it competes with. K Ca Mg primarily.
2 2 6 might be used to give 160N and 70P, which is reasonable in soil or coco. It's not quite for me though. I like more N and less P. Just 35P should be enough, to readily reach 80% of our plants potential. Which is actually a respectable yield, which only the very best of grows can better. For most users here, more than 35P is just a waste, and plants are very good at avoiding P toxicity. In my coco grows, the P just tends to leach out. I obviously fancy myself, so use about 60ppm, but it's really quite pointless. N though, I'm up there at 180ppm or more.
K.. I'm still undecided. More than N though. I think 25% more, just stops problems with it. While 50% more seems satisfying. To my ego, you know.
Was indeed hand watered coco dtw. I used to run whatever veg nutes I was using until end of stretch and phase the 2-2-6 in over a week or so. Didn't really use calmag at that point so always had an early yellow off which gave me these nice fluro buds. Bearing in mind this was long before I actually decided to learn what those numbers really mean, so I was just looking at it as a nice low N profile. I even used it for my first couple ppk grows. Used error perhaps but I used to find that higher N two part feeds in flower would yield me darker buds with less bag appeal
But in saying that I used a masterblend copy for my first dry salts run at 1:1 base:calcnit and only lowered that ratio for less N way late in the game and got a better yield and still nice fluro buds with bag appeal. Which I now believe to be related to the amount of leaf on the plant... Heavier defol I guess required less N and/or the shade leaves are shielding buds from strong light, kinda like the shit that doesn't get enough light in the first place that comes out a lime green...
I'd prefer my base K% to be closer to where Jack's is I think. I'm at 31.5% elemental but potassium carbonate and organic acids that I'm using with it add a little K too. Haven't properly crunched numbers as I'm still learning all that and wanted to see my current grow out at my usual 1.2-1.4EC. When I calculate somewhere in the vicinity of "target ppm's" I get closer to double that EC, though I have a seedling and next run of clones still very small I was considering trying to introduce a higher strength mix to. But my lighting and environment isn't exactly optimal.. still running ye olde 600hps and 315w cmh's not the high power LEDs and dialled environment..
This is pretty much all done with a 60/40 sativa/indica pineapple express cut that leans heavily to the indica side in leaf structure and growth pattern. Most any other strain I throw in the system wants more than 1.2-1.4. or wants more calmag. That 2-2-6 wasn't a coco specific nutrient yet never had any calmag related issues with this cut even tho I wasn't adding any after stretch
I'm by no means an "advanced" grower. Experienced sure I'm pushing 20 years. Usually grow some pretty nice shit but who doesn't. Plenty of other more important factors than nutrients imo. The more money you save there the more to throw round at lighting/room upgrades, hookers, blow, flowers for the miss or whatever other dumb shit people spend money on...
But in saying that I used a masterblend copy for my first dry salts run at 1:1 base:calcnit and only lowered that ratio for less N way late in the game and got a better yield and still nice fluro buds with bag appeal. Which I now believe to be related to the amount of leaf on the plant... Heavier defol I guess required less N and/or the shade leaves are shielding buds from strong light, kinda like the shit that doesn't get enough light in the first place that comes out a lime green...
I'd prefer my base K% to be closer to where Jack's is I think. I'm at 31.5% elemental but potassium carbonate and organic acids that I'm using with it add a little K too. Haven't properly crunched numbers as I'm still learning all that and wanted to see my current grow out at my usual 1.2-1.4EC. When I calculate somewhere in the vicinity of "target ppm's" I get closer to double that EC, though I have a seedling and next run of clones still very small I was considering trying to introduce a higher strength mix to. But my lighting and environment isn't exactly optimal.. still running ye olde 600hps and 315w cmh's not the high power LEDs and dialled environment..
This is pretty much all done with a 60/40 sativa/indica pineapple express cut that leans heavily to the indica side in leaf structure and growth pattern. Most any other strain I throw in the system wants more than 1.2-1.4. or wants more calmag. That 2-2-6 wasn't a coco specific nutrient yet never had any calmag related issues with this cut even tho I wasn't adding any after stretch
I'm by no means an "advanced" grower. Experienced sure I'm pushing 20 years. Usually grow some pretty nice shit but who doesn't
. Plenty of other more important factors than nutrients imo. The more money you save there the more to throw round at lighting/room upgrades, hookers, blow, flowers for the miss or whatever other dumb shit people spend money on...
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The thing I like best about my current nutrients is it's so damn cheap I dump it when the res starts getting low (I run around 220L total res volume - res + buckets) and start with a fresh mix. I used to just top off when I used liquids, which worked fine but I like being able to turn a ball valve and have it drain out through a 4mm tube through my floor, come back the next day and start from scratch...
stinkybudz420
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Probably going to give canna coco a shot next time. Won't need to for about a year.. but that's the plan.
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