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What nutriet line would you suggest? I feed by hand and use coco

Orange's Greenhouse

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Tbh. first time i hear about this, will do some research. :D

But, in the end, nothing wrong to use AN with out the Coco label. I guess, ure using drain2waste anyway, no? :)
Of course it doesnt work with tap water. If you mix their pH 5.8 buffer with your tap water at 7 what do you think happens?
They have no magic bullet or secret technology. It's all marketing for cannabis folks.
 

BongBert

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Of course it doesnt work with tap water.
Ofc, it does its job exceptionally well. Have run it several grows and I will never think of replacing AN Connoiseur.
If you mix their pH 5.8 buffer with your tap water at 7 what do you think happens?
blahblahblah. Sorry, nuff said. All my hydro grows are done without; measuring PH, nor the EC. Skills > meters.

If ure that bored, theres even some YT videos who showing it. Ph of round about 8~ goes down to 5.6~
 

Orange's Greenhouse

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Ofc, it does its job exceptionally well. Have run it several grows and I will never think of replacing AN Connoiseur.

blahblahblah. Sorry, nuff said. All my hydro grows are done without; measuring PH, nor the EC. Skills > meters.

If ure that bored, theres even some YT videos who showing it. Ph of round about 8~ goes down to 5.6~
It's easier to be ignorant if you have no idea what you are talking about.

What's the alkalinity of that pH 8 water? Without that information the pH is meaningless. If it goes to 5.6 and not to "perfect" 5.8. That's kinda my point? Imagine you used RO water with 0 buffering capacity. Then it would be even lower.
 

Hiddenjems

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Ofc, it does its job exceptionally well. Have run it several grows and I will never think of replacing AN Connoiseur.

blahblahblah. Sorry, nuff said. All my hydro grows are done without; measuring PH, nor the EC. Skills > meters.

If ure that bored, theres even some YT videos who showing it. Ph of round about 8~ goes down to 5.6~
The problem with aiming for the 5.8 ph everyone shoots for is you’re right on the line of low ph issues.

You’re right. Any pro nute works fine from around 5.5-7ph
 

BongBert

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Imagine you used RO water with 0 buffering capacity.
Imagine having to teach a destructive guy like you that AN is and was made for pure osmosis water. But go on bitching, I dont care. I can only point out the door, but you have to go through it yourself.
Any pro nute works fine from around 5.5-7ph
Full ack. This formula does not need the PH nailed down to X,Y values. It simply works. Strange, isnt it? :)
 

Orange's Greenhouse

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Imagine having to teach a destructive guy like you that AN is and was made for pure osmosis water. But go on bitching, I dont care. I can only point out the door, but you have to go through it yourself.

Full ack. This formula does not need the PH nailed down to X,Y values. It simply works. Strange, isnt it? :)
Are you really boasting with your ability to grow the simplest house plant there is? Hell, you can rip off all leaves and a week later no damage is visible.
 

BongBert

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Sad to see that you no longer seem to have any objective arguments. I known about defoiling for 10+ years, dont worry about that topic, thats not what this is here about. And I certainly dont take the right to boast about it. Im just saying what it is, a top quality fertiliser out of the Box. Whether you like Mike from AN or not.
 

Rexel

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The issue I have with the staining is it makes it difficult to judge root health.

The gh and jacks are very similar, but gh has the micros with the calcium nitrate instead of the high pk part. I’ve never had solubility issues with either, but who knows.

The only non soluble nute I’ve tried was maxibloom. I could never get it all to dissolve. At the time I was running a high pressure aero setup along with my tables. So I needed 100% solubility.
Funny how they do that, probably to not make it a straight copy of Jacks/Masterblend line of products and to force you to buy both parts from them?

Hot/Boiling water helps to better dissolve mineral salts. It's a neat old trick and makes the process take seconds instead of 15 minutes.

Cheers!
 

Orange's Greenhouse

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Sad to see that you no longer seem to have any objective arguments. I known about defoiling for 10+ years, dont worry about that topic, thats not what this is here about. And I certainly dont take the right to boast about it. Im just saying what it is, a top quality fertiliser out of the Box. Whether you like Mike from AN or not.
What is there to argue? Their "technology" is a joke. They adjusted the composotion of their fertilizer to have a certain pH. It sure isn't patentable. It makes it easier to mix. I don't argue that it is not working. But then it only works with RO water.
Making a fertilizer composition that works for cannabis is not difficult. As I said cannabis is very easy to grow and has a large sufficiency range. It takes a lot of abuse to make cannabis suffer.

So yea, if you want to waste your money then go ahead buy bottled water. It has perfect on the label so it must be good.
 

Rexel

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Sad to see that you no longer seem to have any objective arguments. I known about defoiling for 10+ years, dont worry about that topic, thats not what this is here about. And I certainly dont take the right to boast about it. Im just saying what it is, a top quality fertiliser out of the Box. Whether you like Mike from AN or not.
There's many ways to skin a horse but many agrees that AN is not very affordable compared to other nutrient lines and many of their lines are borderline watered down with very low NPK concentration. Ca and Mg is low out of the box forcing you to buy more than 2 bottles for a complete plant food growing in soilless. Even their Coco Coir formula ask for extra Calmag.

Why pay for and use 3-5 bottles when you only need two parts from other manufacturers?
 

BongBert

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Their "technology" is a joke.
Only in your mind. Weird that it works for years for me, hu?
But then it only works with RO water.
No. Not only. Maybe in your world.
It takes a lot of abuse to make cannabis suffer.
I am the best example. My firstgrow wasnt the about perfection, it was pure abuse to see my plants suffer to learn from it from first hand. And let me tell you, Im pretty sure that >60% starts with an incorrect PH in the appropriate medium, and then the endless loop of guesswork begins. 1 decade on an toxic forum has shown me this nearly every day, the clueless try&error over check the most obvious first.
buy bottled water
Maybe buy first some glasses? Who is talking (apart from u) about bottled water? :D
Why pay for and use 3-5 bottles when you only need two parts from other manufacturers?
Exactly, full ack. I personally dont go broke to spend 40 bucks to run 2 grows of blooming stage, or 4+ runs with 4 weeks veg each to empty 1L of A+B. :)
 
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Ca++

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Could give floranova a go. I think that was it's name. Single part feed, for just about any media. Small white bottle that's pretty concentrated. Bit gritty, like white clay was used in it's manufacture. No problem hand watering though.
 
I definitely don't put it all down to the fert
I tried an experiment growing plants out of pure sand and using fertiliser instead of a nutrified media. Results werent too bad actually. Yield wasnt the best but the high wasnt lacking. Plants were nitrogen hungry the whole time though...Not saying it wouldnt have been better with a better growing medium but still! :D
 

k0rps

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Floranova bloom is a good one for a single bottle nutrient. Like mentioned it's gritty so needs a good shaking before using.
 

stinkybudz420

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A.N. ph perfect....It's not debatable that it hits the ph and ec right on when you use the proper water and dosages. While it's not ph perfect with ALL water it certainly hits the mark every time when used correctly. I don't mind using ro/distilled, I prefer it. Nothing going into my plant I don't want from the city water.
 

stinkybudz420

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I tried an experiment growing plants out of pure sand and using fertiliser instead of a nutrified media. Results werent too bad actually. Yield wasnt the best but the high wasnt lacking. Plants were nitrogen hungry the whole time though...Not saying it wouldnt have been better with a better growing medium but still! :D
Pure sand? You figure that would take the roots a long time to develop compared to softer more aerated medium
 
Pure sand? You figure that would take the roots a long time to develop compared to softer more aerated medium
I actually noticed the roots really liked it. They were throughout the medium as opposed to around the edges of the pot mostly, what usually happens when i use a heavily organic medium, as if they had been air pruned with a fabric pot or similar. The sand has a porous and airy structure, it wasnt the finest grade sand, i stole some sandbags from a building site, (id recommend only taking one if you have a long way to walk, i was buggered by the end). But the sand was really quite magic for the root structure, especially as it is very soft and easily penetrated when the plant has been newly planted. It forms a crusty surface structure over time that helps retain and distribute water on the very well as sand is really effective for wicking mositure
 
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stinkybudz420

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I actually noticed the roots really liked it. They were throughout the medium as opposed to around the edges of the pot mostly, what usually happens when i use a heavily organic medium, as if they had been air pruned with a fabric pot or similar. The sand has a porous and airy structure, it wasnt the finest grade sand, i stole some sandbags from a building site, (id recommend only taking one if you have a long way to walk, i was buggered by the end). But the sand was really quite magic for the root structure, especially as it is very soft and easily penetrated when the plant has been newly planted. It forms a crusty surface structure over time that helps retain and distribute water on the very well as sand is really effective for wicking mositur
Probably something I'll never try but it would be interesting to witness.
 
Probably something I'll never try but it would be interesting to witness.
I dont blame you :p Id recommend mixing at least a bit of sand in with your growing mediums, you dont have to go all out like me, but its really stepped things up for me by adding sand. I prefer growing landraces and sativas and they always seem to prefer the sandy mixes

I topdress every pot or even my houseplants with sand as it really keeps most of the gnats away aswell
 

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