What kind of door lock is the most secure against buglery?

[The OrigF/clred]

or maybe, in the interests of reducing the potential for an accidental discharge, just putting a yellow outline of a human body on the front stoop the way the cops would if there'd been a shooting there, with few pcs of yellow "crime scene" tape left on the ground

sure would convey an easy to comprehend msg - hell, i might just try that to keep the magazine subscription sellers from ringing my doorbell at 6:30PM

 

[kmk420kali]

Give me 2 minutes on the roof of all those fancy locks...and with a cheap battery powered saws-all...I'm in--
Or if noise isn't an issue, just go through the stucco with a sledge--
Dogs will save your shit!! Locks are a joke-- (Unless it is a big ass safe!!)

 

[mowood3479]

I replaced my front door a few weeks ago.. Jamb N all..
I had never booted a door before so i tried it on the outgoing door.
Solid wood exterior door.. No deadbolt..
One half strength kick just under the knob sent it swinging right open. So crazy..

 

[habeeb]

answer: the one that's open

if your thinking about this, your in the wrong mind-frame already, as you've already passed the point of someone not knowing.. honestly who would know??? never locked any of my doors, never will. guess what state of mind you put yourself in when you do this??? ...

second, you make it hard, there just going to step it up a notch ( if they want it bad enough ) and take you at gun point / poison the dogs ...

basically if your thinking like this, you messed up somewhere, second it's negative to talk about so I'm going end it here with a good story ( I saw this tiki carver when I was in Hawaii I walked up and told him, I need a tiki to protect my plants... sitting in my grow room to this day... good medicine... )

 

[FtWendy]

It was an 11 year old that picked the medeco locks....

http://www.thesidebar.org/insecurity/?p=181

 

[Kush4me]

I have seen where they break in by cutting hole in wall with sawzall

 

[Kush4me]

If they want in they will find a way

 

[redlaser]

I believe habeeb has a valid point on the proper mind frame. Constant negativity in the form of over paranoia is unproductive. However, I do believe in a "healthy" level of paranoia to keep security features in check. I believe its the federal illegality of it that is worth considering, even though I have a mmj card. Only had it a short time though.

 

[OvergrowDaWorld]

You could have brand new bolt locks. If the door got kicked in, the door or frame can buckle....the lock did its job, but the door or frame didnt.
The best security is to move to a new place and tell no one where you live.
To set up a grow in a place that already had cat burglers in there while you were asleep is a scary thing.
MY ADVICE:
Get out of there now or dont grow at all.

 

[AlterEgo860]

i know in my area home invasions and robberies are getting out of control.. these kids about 19-21 kicked in my buddys dads door.. while he was home.. and the kid didn't realize he was downstairs. so he hid.. and waited.. they walked down the store.. and the dude smacked the kid with a baseball bat.. and then tied him up.. then went upstairs and got his partner..

called the cops.. left the kids of the front yard hog tied.. and the kids were screaming im going to sue you.. and all this shit.. my buddys like.. dude I could have killed u.. u r lucky.. u kicked in a door with a sign on the door itself saying trespassers will be shot.

lol.. this was 2 days before xmas..!!!!

talk about a fucked story.

 

[AlterEgo860]

I replaced my front door a few weeks ago.. Jamb N all..
I had never booted a door before so i tried it on the outgoing door.
Solid wood exterior door.. No deadbolt..
One half strength kick just under the knob sent it swinging right open. So crazy..

dude. its crazy.

 

[Zarthustra]

Locksmith here.
I have seen a plethora of successful and equally as many failed burglaries.

Points of entry:
Lock: picking, drilling, breaking.
Door: kicking it in, breaking the door, breaking the frame ( garage doors are a particular weak point).
Windows: it's a window.
Walls: drywall in particular can be easily bypassed.
Skylights: needs ladders and stuff.

If your windows are secured: As many have stated in the above posts, your door frame and the rigidity of your door are first priority.

Now for the locks:
Experienced burglars breach locks through the following methods:

Picking: 99.9999% of residential locks are EXTREMELY easy to pick. However, 99.99% of burglars have no clue how to pick locks. Additionally, picking a lock, or multiple locks is time consuming, suspicious and to some degree, noisy (a person on the inside of the home can hear picking attempts being made). Lock companies employ numerous patented technologies to protect against this. (I could literally write for days on this subject). In a previous post someone stated the video of an individual picking a medeco lock. I don't doubt someone has picked a medeco lock. HOWEVER, unless you have spent a an extensive amount of time studying medeco and their infinite patented keyways, sidebars, slanted pins and mechanics, and were equipped with the exact custom picking tools for that !@#$ing exact lock and whatever god you believe in was on your side that day, I promise you, I PROMOISE you, you will not pick a MEDECO. When going with a patented security keyway, I suggest using Schalge Primus, MEDECO & ASSA.

Drilling: There are two different drilling methods of attack. The first being drilling the cylinder in order to sheer the pins and turn the cylinder. Hardened cylinders containing alloys and ball bearings defeat would-be drilling attempts. (schlage primus, schlage everest, medeco and assa all contain security cylinders)
The second method of drilling is to drill the mounting screws out of the lock. You simply place your drill bit in front of where the supporting screw attaches to the deadbolt and drill them out. (Hardened alloys and ball bearings are also employed to defeat drill attacks made on the face of the deadbolt. The above mentioned lock models and companies implement this technology).

Blunt attack: Crowbars, sledge hammers, you name it. If the lock is being attacked physically without regard for discretion, there is only so long before the lock will fail. ASSA and Medeco deadbolts contain additional deadbolt mounting hardware that increases the locks resilience.

An added benefit of having a patented keyway is the assurance that no-one except who you authorize with written consent can get a copy of your key, ever.
Except for the locksmith. He can still make a key for himself if he so desires. (there may be locksmiths with malicious intentions, I can't speak for everyone's character).

I hope this helps. If anyone has questions feel free to ask.

 

[BrnCow]

Bump key Schlage Primus
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VH7ekPB68OM

 

[username474]

Locksmith here.
I have seen a plethora of successful and equally as many failed burglaries.

Points of entry:
Lock: picking, drilling, breaking.
Door: kicking it in, breaking the door, breaking the frame ( garage doors are a particular weak point).
Windows: it's a window.
Walls: drywall in particular can be easily bypassed.
Skylights: needs ladders and stuff.

If your windows are secured: As many have stated in the above posts, your door frame and the rigidity of your door are first priority.

Now for the locks:
Experienced burglars breach locks through the following methods:

Picking: 99.9999% of residential locks are EXTREMELY easy to pick. However, 99.99% of burglars have no clue how to pick locks. Additionally, picking a lock, or multiple locks is time consuming, suspicious and to some degree, noisy (a person on the inside of the home can hear picking attempts being made). Lock companies employ numerous patented technologies to protect against this. (I could literally write for days on this subject). In a previous post someone stated the video of an individual picking a medeco lock. I don't doubt someone has picked a medeco lock. HOWEVER, unless you have spent a an extensive amount of time studying medeco and their infinite patented keyways, sidebars, slanted pins and mechanics, and were equipped with the exact custom picking tools for that !@#$ing exact lock and whatever god you believe in was on your side that day, I promise you, I PROMOISE you, you will not pick a MEDECO. When going with a patented security keyway, I suggest using Schalge Primus, MEDECO & ASSA.

Drilling: There are two different drilling methods of attack. The first being drilling the cylinder in order to sheer the pins and turn the cylinder. Hardened cylinders containing alloys and ball bearings defeat would-be drilling attempts. (schlage primus, schlage everest, medeco and assa all contain security cylinders)
The second method of drilling is to drill the mounting screws out of the lock. You simply place your drill bit in front of where the supporting screw attaches to the deadbolt and drill them out. (Hardened alloys and ball bearings are also employed to defeat drill attacks made on the face of the deadbolt. The above mentioned lock models and companies implement this technology).

Blunt attack: Crowbars, sledge hammers, you name it. If the lock is being attacked physically without regard for discretion, there is only so long before the lock will fail. ASSA and Medeco deadbolts contain additional deadbolt mounting hardware that increases the locks resilience.

An added benefit of having a patented keyway is the assurance that no-one except who you authorize with written consent can get a copy of your key, ever.
Except for the locksmith. He can still make a key for himself if he so desires. (there may be locksmiths with malicious intentions, I can't speak for everyone's character).

I hope this helps. If anyone has questions feel free to ask.

Great post, can you recommend any ways to help secure a garage door from a break in. My next build will
be in a outbuilding with both a garage door and a regular door. Also, do you know of any companies that make
a type roll down security door that I could put on the interior side of a residential door? Many thanks for any insight.

 

[whatthe215]

6" lagbolts with washers through the bottom lip of the garage door into concrete. 2x6s (or 2x8) run horizontally across the door every 2-3ft, properly secured to two studs on each side of the garage door.

that's how i've done it before. i'm sure there's better ways.

 

[Clarence]

What kind of door lock is the most secure against buglery?

Now I think if it is a small one, like below, I would expect that a smaller lock would do the trick..




As opposed to a larger one, like below, where I think something more substantial would be in order.


I apologise now for my stupidity and unhelpfullness. I think I might have blown a fuse or two!!!!

 

[acridlab]

when it comes to anti pick handles, believe it or not, most new cheap kwicksets are anti pick.. i used to be in property mngmt, used to have to pick all the time.. schlages are the easiest to pick, so stay away from those… but, imo, if someone really wants to get in, these are not enough,, like above posters mentioned, better off getting some type of bar, or those brackets that go at the bottom,,"can only use those when your home tho".. if you have a solid door,, put longer screws in the hinges, and put three deadbolts top, middle and bottom,, no one can get thru that, short of having to to cut thru..and that would be tough without making shit tons of noise...

 

[acridlab]

for garage doors, just get some sturdy c clamps and clamp rollers to track,, cheap, and effective

 

[Zarthustra]

Bump key Schlage Primus
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VH7ekPB68OM

Yes, you can bump a Primus. You can also pick a Primus as shown in this video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=krGqFbrIAL8

However, in order to pick or bump a Primus you need to have a Primus key. The Primus key you need has to be the same sidebar as the lock you are attempting to bypass. In neither of these two videos do the individuals bypass the sidebar through picking or bumping. They already have the correct sidebar key.

If you want to pick or bump a Primus you have to use a key with the same sidebar.

 

[Zarthustra]

Great post, can you recommend any ways to help secure a garage door from a break in. My next build will
be in a outbuilding with both a garage door and a regular door. Also, do you know of any companies that make
a type roll down security door that I could put on the interior side of a residential door? Many thanks for any insight.

I would implement some of the suggestions others have stated. Also, if your garage door has a red handle on the linkage to release the door from the chain, ensure it is impossible to disengage. I have seen homes that were entered through the garage door. All you have to do is insert a long metal rod with a hook on the end between the garage door seems and pull the red handle, door is now free to slide.