theclearspot
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40th anniversary thread. Thought that was very interesting, cant find it ?What happened?
What happened to the Vietnam thread?
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40th anniversary thread. Thought that was very interesting, cant find it ?What happened?
blame it on Jane Fonda.
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GoodyTwoShoes
Didn't get to read it because I had computer issues for a while, but the vietnam invasion is bound to get heated responsed from both sides.
Personally I don't know why the mods just don't let it go, a bit of a debate is interesting.
Sure we might abuse each other for the several days the thread runs but after a week we have forgotten about it and are best friends again.
Personally I don't know why the mods just don't let it go, a bit of a debate is interesting.
Sure we might abuse each other for the several days the thread runs but after a week we have forgotten about it and are best friends again.
Yeah let's talk about all the heroic things the US did in Vietnam who never did anything to warrant it.
46,000,000 litres of Agent Orange dropped
20,000 villages sprayed
5,000,000 people affected
And remember, we're hated because of our freedoms . Yeah.
46,000,000 litres of Agent Orange dropped
20,000 villages sprayed
5,000,000 people affected
And remember, we're hated because of our freedoms . Yeah.
Like Robots? No brain? No morals? No blame? B/S.
The Trials at Nuremburg ended all those excuses. To some degree it's correct, I was forced in for 2 joints ( of crappy mexican weed ) on 4th of july weekend. So while we had the draft etc, there still comes a point when you the individual has to stand up and do what's right.
You either do the right thing or not but either way the guy in the mirror is who is to blame,
theclearspot
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Looks like the Vietnam thread is back on. I think if Mods (not the Small Faces, Who loving 60s cool dudes) pull threads they should say why otherwise it seems like they are some kind of feudal lord solving village skirmishes or something...but maybe someone posted something horrible , swearing I dont know I missed it...I was reading my Vietnam books (got loads of them now...fascinating stuff ..I dont mean that in a Voyeuristic sense ,im just into History etc)....
bruceinpacifica
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'The Trials at Nuremburg ended all those excuses.'
Sure it's easy to judge the soldiers after the fact but what do you think would have happened to German soldiers if they refused orders? Firing squad, you that brave? I know I'm not.
What about American soldiers during Vietnam? 20 years in Leavenworth most likely.
Today we know how wrong the MJ laws are. I remember reading about people in the 60's in Texas getting decades long sentences for possession of small amounts of pot. Think their sentences got reduced because the laws are wrong?
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'The Trials at Nuremburg ended all those excuses.'
Sure it's easy to judge the soldiers after the fact but what do you think would have happened to German soldiers if they refused orders? Firing squad, you that brave? I know I'm not.
What about American soldiers during Vietnam? 20 years in Leavenworth most likely.
Today we know how wrong the MJ laws are. I remember reading about people in the 60's in Texas getting decades long sentences for possession of small amounts of pot. Think their sentences got reduced because the laws are wrong?
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The reasoning of a weak poor excuse for a human. Its because of people just like you that the holocaust can happen.
But don't feel bad it's about 65% of people that think just like you. The human race is doomed...
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GoodyTwoShoes
They call it the Eichman defence; "I was just following orders".
But don't forget Cassius Clay refused to go to vietnam, and I think he did two years in jail, not 20.
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GoodyTwoShoes
The media never really questioned whether it was necessary to invade vietnam, just like they never really questioned whether saddam hussein had weapons of mass destruction.
Is killing 5 million vietnamese and burning their villages and raping children an acceptable price to pay for trying to prevent a sovereign country adopting a political system that you don't agree with?
I don't think so.
The attempted "cure" was more evil than the so called evil of communism it was supposed to prevent.
They talked about the so called "domino effect", where communism would spread to other countries in the region including indonesia.
Sukarno when he was president of indonesia killed over 10 000 communists around that time, so communism wasn't going to take root in indonesia.
Is killing 5 million vietnamese and burning their villages and raping children an acceptable price to pay for trying to prevent a sovereign country adopting a political system that you don't agree with?
I don't think so.
The attempted "cure" was more evil than the so called evil of communism it was supposed to prevent.
They talked about the so called "domino effect", where communism would spread to other countries in the region including indonesia.
Sukarno when he was president of indonesia killed over 10 000 communists around that time, so communism wasn't going to take root in indonesia.
^^Yeah, thank God communism never spread to, say, Cambodia. Pol Pot? I'd agree that the domino effect was mostly BS, but it wasn't all peace and love with the Khmer Rouge, Pathet Lao, and Viet Cong, either. I think our policy in SE Asia was wrong-headed, beginning with the way we handled things following the defeat of Imperial Japan. However, I think it's wrong to besmirch the young men that went there, many against their will.
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What about Mai Lai?
Why is it that I think that these self-righteous folks so adamantly opposed to the soldier's part in the war didn't actually live through the era? As I said in the first thread, I was barely too young to be drafted when they ended the draft - my brother refused induction. From what I've seen, you won't find this bullshit anymore from the people who lived through that period regardless of which avenue they took at the time. It was far too destructive to all of us, and many of the soldiers paid the highest price of all.
Bruce referred to soldiers refusing to go - Cassius Clay was not subject to military justice, he was a civilian convicted of draft evasion.
Bruce referred to soldiers refusing to go - Cassius Clay was not subject to military justice, he was a civilian convicted of draft evasion.
The war was wrong -as I said- for a lot of reasons, you have to really go back to WWII to even start to get a picture of how thw war happened. It was a colonial war that the French couldn´t handle and Kennedy who escaleted the US participation.
The people on the ground were doing what they were told was right to do, few people questioned this and as in all wars people were fed semi-truths and lies.
Holocaust wasn´t a German invention, the British built the first concentration camp during the Boer war, before that they slaughtered aborigines. The US killed Indians, the Russians had there progroms before the war and then the Gulags, the Cultural revolution in China killed tens of millions etc etc.
The Nuremburg trials were a farce, loads of nazi scientists were protected by the US and the Russians, lots of old SS men were taken in to espionage...the list goes on.
Get of your high horses and look at the human suffering of ALL the people affected by the war.
The people on the ground were doing what they were told was right to do, few people questioned this and as in all wars people were fed semi-truths and lies.
Holocaust wasn´t a German invention, the British built the first concentration camp during the Boer war, before that they slaughtered aborigines. The US killed Indians, the Russians had there progroms before the war and then the Gulags, the Cultural revolution in China killed tens of millions etc etc.
The Nuremburg trials were a farce, loads of nazi scientists were protected by the US and the Russians, lots of old SS men were taken in to espionage...the list goes on.
Get of your high horses and look at the human suffering of ALL the people affected by the war.
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