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What happened to Sour Diesel?

3rd-3yed

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I have long since thought to myself that his multi male/ bx 4x was BS. My gut tells me he made the ecsd x nycd cross found a male and just kept hitting the ecsd clone over and over with said male. Then once male was gone had to find a new 1 and 2010 release was the new male. We know how those went. Just MO.




Yeah he started outcrossing to NYCD and then made the first ECSD BC but personally I don't think he fooled people with just releasing a simple backcross each time using only the same stud.


It just impossible as he offered 2.5 and V3 before the 2006 & 2010 releases, from many threads I saw in the past they all had distinct progenys with minor improvements made each times (atleast till 2006).



I guess he selected his 2010 male from the same genepool as 2006 thinking it'll only bring fire but got "unlucky"...



The demand for Sour IBL seeds was so strong that he probably negleted his selection with no progeny testing at all imo.


I agree with you on the part were he lied about his work and never reached IBL status, far from it actually despite all his years working on it. He was only able to reach marketing suprematy.
 

Americangrower

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Yeah he started outcrossing to NYCD and then made the first ECSD BC but personally I don't think he fooled people with just releasing a simple backcross each time using only the same stud.


It just impossible as he offered 2.5 and V3 before the 2006 & 2010 releases, from many threads I saw in the past they all had distinct progenys with minor improvements made each times (atleast till 2006).



I guess he selected his 2010 male from the same genepool as 2006 thinking it'll only bring fire but got "unlucky"...



The demand for Sour IBL seeds was so strong that he probably negleted his selection with no progeny testing at all imo.


I agree with you on the part were he lied about his work and never reached IBL status, far from it actually despite all his years working on it. He was only able to reach marketing suprematy.

Like I said just MO. But from what I saw there were 2 phenos in all the releases a lemon/lime diesel and the grapefruit/lavender.
If he was truly using a dif male every round would I have found both a male and fem NYCD grapefruit pheno in 06? I would think he would have bred with a lemon/lime male and bred out the nycd by 4bx's. Since REZ always said Soma's nycd sucked
 

3rd-3yed

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I would say more that all his releases had a wide range of phenotypes displaying at various degree the main terps you're describing : Grapefruit, lavender, lime, fuel... Like me you know it all started as an unstable polyhybrid mess and so it was a very difficult task for him to stabilise anything.



Sure his main goal was to try to bred out the nycd but nobody could guess exactly how genes would recombine & display in the next filial gen, even if you select what look to be the good traits you need progeny testing. With what you've said, in 2006 he maybe tried to shortcut work and used what looked to him like a dominant fuely male wich maybe ended up showing again recessive grapefruit genotypes... "Unlucky" again like in 2010 (no testing done).



Bro science: I see the strong Riri Lavender (Linalool) main terpene as the result of combinaison of sour fuel + Grapefruit aroma at a particular ratio. I have another Sour D cut where this floral Linalool part is also present but more diluted in background behind the fuel. No lime nor grapefruit detectable on the pallet.




Yeah I also remember him saying that about Soma's NYCD. Funny that he choose it to outcross ECSD if he didn't like it in the first place... A Super Skunk could have done the job perfecly and brought more stability in the long term imo.
 

Burt

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Hortilab in fact did do a super skunk x ECSD. It looked sick
I hope they come back soon
 

3rd-3yed

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Hortilab in fact did do a super skunk x ECSD. It looked sick
I hope they come back soon


Yeah I'm aware of that Super Sour Skunk using a SD V3 dad.



Ran Sour Star from them and G-13 Diesel from H3ad. My only experiences with SD V3 were these two hybrids unfortunately...


I also thought of doing that crosse (ECSD x SS male) since some years and stashed on old Sensi SS stock. I'm still waiting to grab the MSS clone before trying to germinate any of those SS seeds...


Recently Farmer Joe worked his version using a Super Skunk dad from The Seed Bank original old stock and pollinated ECSD, can't get better than that imo, he killed it.
 

hazyfontazy

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Hortilab in fact did do a super skunk x ECSD. It looked sick
I hope they come back soon

as far as i know that ecsd was from the clone i was given ...

i'm sure connoisseur genetics aka ojd has some ecsd crosses and his sssdh is one of the best things rezgrass ever did
 

Zomboy

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Yeah I'm aware of that Super Sour Skunk using a SD V3 dad.



Ran Sour Star from them and G-13 Diesel from H3ad. My only experiences with SD V3 were these two hybrids unfortunately...


I also thought of doing that crosse (ECSD x SS male) since some years and stashed on old Sensi SS stock. I'm still waiting to grab the MSS clone before trying to germinate any of those SS seeds...


Recently Farmer Joe worked his version using a Super Skunk dad from The Seed Bank original old stock and pollinated ECSD, can't get better than that imo, he killed it.

Sounds dank. Any idea where can i find Farmer Joes seeds?
 

3rd-3yed

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Thanks bud. Got some Deedee BX and KG sour D Bx2. Looking to prob do a side by side.


French touch are lame rippers, fuck em'.



Riri never wanted his Sour D IBL cut to be used commercially, that's why he shared it everywhere in France for free...



Go Karma people, you can't go wrong!



Good luck though as it's not a personal attack at all, just to let people know Riri wishes again here...



I see Riri clone more and more shared in USA, it won't be long before she get chucked like a whore in the search of the almighty $ !
 

Americangrower

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I would say more that all his releases had a wide range of phenotypes displaying at various degree the main terps you're describing : Grapefruit, lavender, lime, fuel... Like me you know it all started as an unstable polyhybrid mess and so it was a very difficult task for him to stabilise anything.



Sure his main goal was to try to bred out the nycd but nobody could guess exactly how genes would recombine & display in the next filial gen, even if you select what look to be the good traits you need progeny testing. With what you've said, in 2006 he maybe tried to shortcut work and used what looked to him like a dominant fuely male wich maybe ended up showing again recessive grapefruit genotypes... "Unlucky" again like in 2010 (no testing done).



Bro science: I see the strong Riri Lavender (Linalool) main terpene as the result of combinaison of sour fuel + Grapefruit aroma at a particular ratio. I have another Sour D cut where this floral Linalool part is also present but more diluted in background behind the fuel. No lime nor grapefruit detectable on the pallet.




Yeah I also remember him saying that about Soma's NYCD. Funny that he choose it to outcross ECSD if he didn't like it in the first place... A Super Skunk could have done the job perfecly and brought more stability in the long term imo.

We can agree to disagree brother. But I will say Karma got rid of the NYCD in 1 bx. Oh to add I'm glad Rez didn't get rid of the NYCD because thats the pheno I loved.
 

Zomboy

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French touch are lame rippers, fuck em'.



Riri never wanted his Sour D IBL cut to be used commercially, that's why he shared it everywhere in France for free...



Go Karma people, you can't go wrong!



Good luck though as it's not a personal attack at all, just to let people know Riri wishes again here...



I see Riri clone more and more shared in USA, it won't be long before she get chucked like a whore in the search of the almighty $ !

Ah shit had no idea about French Touch and Riri. Wish i’d know that before i paid for them..
 

DJXX

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We can agree to disagree brother. But I will say Karma got rid of the NYCD in 1 bx. Oh to add I'm glad Rez didn't get rid of the NYCD because thats the pheno I loved.
man i wish i kept the Soma NYCD cut i got in 08, I was told it was the real deal sourced from Soma himself......i jus wanted more fuel... I have AJs and its killer at 11 weeks.. DJXX
 

NEW ENGLAND

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man i wish i kept the Soma NYCD cut i got in 08, I was told it was the real deal sourced from Soma himself......i jus wanted more fuel... I have AJs and its killer at 11 weeks.. DJXX

Stop teasing please !
 

RaZoR!

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Does anyone have experience with Dr. Blaze Sour Diesel? I acquired some fem seeds several years ago. I tried to research the company, but only found an inactive IG account with a handful of pictures. Says it is a "Collective of Dutch and American growers"

It has several listings on sf, but I never have found a grow report on them.

I have no idea where they sourced their chem or parents from, but it is coming along well.
 

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