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[Sunfire]

All great info here!

The paint sprayer is the way to go for cheap. Get one with an adjustable head at harbor freight for like 250$ ish.

I have a 400 gph pump on a 90 3/8 hose that goes to my atomizer. There's a 90 foot extension cord taped to that hose. The pump goes in a 60 gallon drum as at he end of the year I was using 40 gallons of solution to spray the 36 rediculous sized plants. Then i have a 800 gph pump in the drum circulating the solution. Not carrying around the 2 gallon attached reservoir and never having to stop and refill sure helps a lot. If I didn't already have two atomizers I would for sure go the paint sprayer route with a 6 foot boom and adjustable head so you can get lots of angles. The ATV sprayer sounds good. I saw one before that had this crazy head with 3-360 nozzles that sprayed a sphere and had a telescoping 6-12 foot boom. All I could think was it would be like liposuction for plants hehehe!

I have 800 gallon pots up on drain rocks. All wrapped in 2x4 cage/fence material so they don't do the smart pot sag donut thing.

the problem with clones getting huge isn't the amount of room, it's the actual root ball itself. You will see my friend, it's hard to explain. The way a cutting roots is not organized. The roots kinda just go everywhere and once they get like an inch thick they start growing into each other and choking eachother out at the root ball. That's why seeds with a tap root work so much better for larger plants.

Lol 25 pounds of ammendments? That's it? I used 50# rock dust, 50# biolive, and 20# doctor earth life per pot. This year if the fucken politicians let me grow I was going to up the doctor earth to 40#. I'll never mix a tank to liquid feed again! I saw a little bit of nitrogen curl on some strains about a month after planting but I bet hey can handle more!

 

[XxCaptiankushxX]

Sunfire, yes some very great info on rootballs. I come from and indoor back ground, and have not seen many large plant roots balls in my day. The reason I like icmag, where we can all share experiences and knowledge. I suppose I will see for my self this season. I have About 45 seeds waiting to get sexed any day now. One already showed and she got planted yesterday.. A lotus Larry from bodhi. Other seeds are sky lotus , and super snow lotus. And perpetrator from archive. First time with seeds, should be fun!

 

[XxCaptiankushxX]

Oh yeah, and for my amendments, this is what the soil needed to be balanced.
My mix consists of
Shrimp meal
Crab meal
Fish bone meal
Azomite
Glacial rock dust
Copper sulfate
Manganese sulphate
Kelp meal
Feather meal
Borax
Sulfate of potash
Sea salt
Zinc sulfate
Humic acid
Oyster shell flour
Gypsum.

Tested soil and this was the recommendations or Rx for my soil. Each had a very specific amount, no more, no less. I will retest soil and top dress from here on. I thought 1200 lbs was a lot for 60 mounds.

 

[JayTrinity]

hay guys one more question about this?

I have very healthy plants (clones) with very happy roots.

I want to go from Dixie cups to 5 gallon smart pots?
Then into 300 gallon pots.

I was told by every store I will be fine as I have almost 3 weeks till june 1st.

Are there that many draw backs if they dont fill?
The root mass could crack in half like pancakes yes?

 

[Sunfire]

hay guys one more question about this?

I have very healthy plants (clones) with very happy roots.

I want to go from Dixie cups to 5 gallon smart pots?
Then into 300 gallon pots.

I was told by every store I will be fine as I have almost 3 weeks till june 1st.

Are there that many draw backs if they dont fill?
The root mass could crack in half like pancakes yes?

That's for sure a big jump but if they are healthy and getting lots of sun I could see them rooting it out in 3 weeks. Just make sure when you transplant to have the soil that perfect transplanting moisture. Not too dry but pretty dry.

For me, a freshly rooted super happy.clone will fill a 5 gallon in a month so I think you'll be good.

If you can have lights in the field I'd just through em straight into the final home but that may not be an.option for you. Worst case scenario is you leave them in the 5 gallons for an extra week?

I try to keep things simple. I use 9" square pots. The clones go in those freshly rooted, hang out for about 2-4 weeks (strain and environment dependent) and then into the final homes. Indoor I just put the freshly rooted clones straight into the 6.25 gallon pots. Takes a bout a month until I see roots starting to pop out the bottom then a flip em.

I've transplanted out of 30 gallon smart pots before. Had to cut the seem. Transplanting out of smart pots can be tough and requires some technique to not destroy the whole thing. The perfect moisture is key. Put them up on a bucket or flat surface that's just smaller than the bottom of the pot. Roll the sides down and start gently shimmy ' in the pot down the sides.

 

[Sunfire]

Sunfire, yes some very great info on rootballs. I come from and indoor back ground, and have not seen many large plant roots balls in my day. The reason I like icmag, where we can all share experiences and knowledge. I suppose I will see for my self this season. I have About 45 seeds waiting to get sexed any day now. One already showed and she got planted yesterday.. A lotus Larry from bodhi. Other seeds are sky lotus , and super snow lotus. And perpetrator from archive. First time with seeds, should be fun!

I will recommend for large clones to slightly up plant them to keep the root ball drier. As time goes on you will better be able to see the giant knot of roots that I'm talking about then too. It's all a matter of technique though. If you know you'll be doing this with those clones I think it's best to plant them when they are barely rooted and the roots arnt too long do its not a tangled mess when you first plant them in soil.

Lol I bet your smaller seeds get as big or bigger than your clones hehehehe! Seeds seem to just crush it!

I stay away from azomite due to the high aluminasilicate content. I've spoke on this on many threads so I'll leave you to research it yourself but pretty much there's evidence (with tobacco) that living soil high in humic acid can break the aluminasilicate bond. The plant chelate the aluminum and when you smoke the plant material the aluminum can pass through the alveoli in your lungs and into your blood stream. There's been university level studies on this but everyone try to act like it doesn't apply the herb because they are testing tobacco. I feel like glacial rock dust is the way to go to play it safe anyways. The aluminasilicate can last up to 4 years and if you use it every year it can accumulate and make your plants sickly. I havnt used it in years and I still to this day see little.compressed pink rocks of it in my soil when I till.

 

[XxCaptiankushxX]

I will recommend for large clones to slightly up plant them to keep the root ball drier. As time goes on you will better be able to see the giant knot of roots that I'm talking about then too. It's all a matter of technique though. If you know you'll be doing this with those clones I think it's best to plant them when they are barely rooted and the roots arnt too long do its not a tangled mess when you first plant them in soil.

Lol I bet your smaller seeds get as big or bigger than your clones hehehehe! Seeds seem to just crush it!

I stay away from azomite due to the high aluminasilicate content. I've spoke on this on many threads so I'll leave you to research it yourself but pretty much there's evidence (with tobacco) that living soil high in humic acid can break the aluminasilicate bond. The plant chelate the aluminum and when you smoke the plant material the aluminum can pass through the alveoli in your lungs and into your blood stream. There's been university level studies on this but everyone try to act like it doesn't apply the herb because they are testing tobacco. I feel like glacial rock dust is the way to go to play it safe anyways. The aluminasilicate can last up to 4 years and if you use it every year it can accumulate and make your plants sickly. I havnt used it in years and I still to this day see little.compressed pink rocks of it in my soil when I till.

Here is what I was told by m alstera, befor I added any azomite I had the same concerns.

"Here are the facts: Aluminum is the 3rd most common element in the Earth's crust, Oxygen is #1, Silicon #2. All clays and a good portion of all rocks are aluminum silicates. Aluminum silicates are not very soluble. It takes strong acids, generally below pH 4.5 to dissolve any silica from alumino-silicates.

---> Free aluminum is not found in soils above pH 5.0. Any aluminum ions that are freed from silicate bonds will rapidly form neutral oxides and hydroxides. As a rule the only soils with excess soluble Al are heavily weathered tropical soils below pH 4.5. Even in those cases, liming the soil with calcium carbonate will raise the pH and make aluminum insoluble.

--> Aluminum is poisonous to plants and plant roots, so even if growing in a highly acid soil with free aluminum, the crops will not take it up.

If your growing media is going to have a pH below 5 you may have something to be concerned about anywhere on planet Earth. I have never heard of a single case of aluminum toxicity, or any other problems, resulting from using either Azomite or humates. Ever.

 

[Sunfire]

Yes I understand the parameters of how it "should" happen. However I have read studies done that show what "can" happen. There's a huge difference in what happens in nature and what we are doing. We push these plants and the soil way outside their natural happenings. Heavy clay soils in nature don't have a shit ton of compost in them and a bunch of humic acid.

In tobacco, the humic acid breaks.down the bond, before the constituents can oxide, the plant chelates the aluminum.

Once again, I don't want to compile a bunch of links as I have done in the past.you can find it all yourself. Gandalf the green on some other forum lays out some links. I have read the studies and the fact that there's even a "possibility" makes me not want to even risk it. Just wanted to share. If your not worried about and you have no family history of alzheimers or anything, then that's peachy.

 

[XxCaptiankushxX]

Sunfire, thanks, I will prolly not add any more azomite from here on. Glacial rock dust and kelp should be plenty for minerals and trace elements.

Pretty stoked, plants are the same size now that they were last year on July 1 st, and last year ended up with almost 5 lb plants, in less than ideal soil.

The rest of the seeds will be planted saturday, after this next weather system
Moves through .
Happy planting to all!

 

[Chunk O'Funk]

Fixin to get my girls out now! Weird rainy weather has got me waiting a few more days.

 

[Sunfire]

Southern oregon? Be careful man. Every strain is different and among strains can be very different phenos when using seeds. I'm a lot farther south than you and I never put em out without lights before June 1.

 

[jaytoker]

I let nature tell me when to plant. If the leaves are growing from trees and plants like bleeding heart are growing it's most likely ok to plant ganja.

 

[Chunk O'Funk]

I have lights strung through my garden. 1 light per pot. A few of my girls are outgrowing their current bags and i wanna get em in the 800's. My only concern is how heavy of rain we are going to get this next few days. The lights are not completely water proof.

 

[Sunfire]

You only need them on the middle of the night for 5-30 minutes depending on the strength of the light.

Get out some plastic and duct tape!

 

[Chunk O'Funk]

I put 6 out in the 400's today. Im going to wait a few days for the rest. I got the lights running 1 hr before sunrise and after sunset. Im rigging up some make shift lamp shades outta plastic bottles. LET THE GAMES BEGIN!