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What Colorado's Governor Wants America to Know About Legalizing Weed

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What Colorado's Governor Wants America to Know About Legalizing Weed


Jake Horowitz

December 02, 2015







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Speaking at an October 2014 debate in the closing days of his campaign for a second term as governor, Hickenlooper took aim squarely at legalized weed, saying, "If it was up to me, I wouldn't have done it, right? I opposed it from the very beginning. In matter of fact, all right, what the hell — I'll say it was reckless."
Although he went on to narrowly defeat his Republican rival, Hickenlooper's position on marijuana, at least publicly, remained firm after getting sworn in for his second term.
Quite a bit has changed in the past year.
During a wide-ranging conversation with Mic in his office at the State Capitol in Denver last month, Hickenlooper spoke about how marijuana has affected Colorado since it became one of the first two states to approve recreational marijuana legalization in November 2012. Seated around a long conference table, Hickenlooper, who has a warm personality and an endearing propensity to speak off script, confessed he's had a change of heart.
"After the election, if I could've had a magic wand, and I could've waved it and reversed the outcome of the election, I would've done it," he said. "Now if I had that same magic wand, I'm not sure I'd wave it."
Hickenlooper's recent shift is a testament to the remarkable early success of legalized marijuana since weed dispensaries first opened in Colorado in January 2014. The state has not devolved into the lawless hellscape that some observers predicted. Quite the opposite, in fact: Hickenlooper said the rate of marijuana usage has remained flat, arrests have gone down and Colorado is on pace to generate about $100 million dollars in tax revenue this fiscal year.
But while some are quick to anoint Colorado's experiment a runway success, the reality is more complex, and Hickenlooper emphasized that the jury is still out on Colorado's experience. Despite encouraging initial signs, Hickenlooper, along with other Colorado policymakers who spoke with Mic, say the ultimate test lies ahead, as the marijuana industry gets bigger and more commercialized.
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The backstory: Hickenlooper was first elected governor in 2010, but the key to understanding his change of heart on marijuana rests with his unique backstory. Before he ever entered politics, Hickenlooper began his career as a successful entrepreneur.
Hickenlooper, who once told the New Yorker that he used to brew beer in his dormitory bathtub and smoked pot regularly as a young adult, opened the Wynkoop Brewing Company in 1988 in the lower downtown district of Denver, an area also known as LoDo. In part due to Hickenlooper's pioneering spirit, LoDo is now thriving with renowned restaurants, live music venues, luxury condos and a host of tech startups.
At the turn of the century, Colorado leaned politically conservative, voting solidly Republican in three consecutive presidential elections from 1996 to 2004. Over the past decade, however, the state has undergone a dramatic political shift, fueled by a rapidly growing Latino population that made up 14% of the electorate in 2012, as well as an influx of millennials moving to the state en masse. President Barack Obama won the state twice, and Democrats held their 2008 national convention in Denver to highlight the state's evolving political dynamic. Hickenlooper, a moderate Democrat, also benefited from those demographic changes, first in his successful race for mayor of Denver in 2003 and then for his 2010 gubernatorial campaign.

Although Hickenlooper initially opposed recreational marijuana legalization when voters approved a constitutional amendment by a vote of 55% to 45% in 2012, it became clear while talking to him that his experience as an entrepreneur helps explain why he's coming around to the idea. Hickenlooper is passionate about innovation and views his state as a test tube for democracy, a place where new policy ideas get tested before scaling onto a national stage.
"When I was a kid, everybody went to California," Hickenlooper said. "California was always on the cutting edge of every liberal change, every liberal notion. Now it's Colorado and Denver. It really is an amazing thing. That's why we got marijuana legal."
Not a hellscape: Of course, another significant part of the story that has shaped Hickenlooper's perspective is the early success legalized marijuana has enjoyed.
"What we have seen is it hasn't been the catastrophe some people feared that it would be," Andrew Freedman, the director of the governor's Office of Marijuana Coordination, told Mic.
As the state's first "marijuana czar," Freedman is responsible for managing Colorado's marijuana tax revenue and helping to devise legislation to regulate the industry. He is also tasked with keeping close track of data related to legalized weed. Freedman cautions against drawing robust conclusions with such a small sample of less than two years of data, but he noted a number of positive early signs.
For one, usage numbers have not climbed dramatically. According to data provided by Freedman's office, approximately 10% of adults 26 and older reported smoking marijuana in 2013, prior to the beginning of recreational sales. That's compared to 13.6% of adults who reported being regular users in 2014. In 2013, 19.7% of high schoolers were regular users, a rate that was comparable to years before legalization.
"That shows we're at the same place in terms of adult use post-legalization as we were pre-legalization," Freedman told Mic. "We are seeing that as a continual good sign from the market."
The number of citations and arrests for marijuana have also declined since legalization. According to a study released by the Drug Policy Alliance in March, the number of marijuana-related charges declined 80% from 2010 to 2014. Hickenlooper suggested drug dealers seem to be leaving town.
"I think that was another worry, that there would be crime-ridden streets and everything would be incredibly dangerous," Freedman said. "We're not seeing any of that."
Instead, an entire new sector of the economy has developed as a result of legalized weed. Colorado has issued 20,000 occupational licenses in the marijuana business since legalization, according to Freedman. Hickenlooper is excited by the growing number of stories of young people, many fresh out of college, who have taken advantage of legalization to build their own businesses.
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"We've got all these young people, and they're here, they're starting businesses, and they're driving our economy," Hickenlooper said.
One of those budding entrepreneurs is Braden Aletto, 26, who recently quit his corporate software industry job to work at a Denver marijuana dispensary. Aletto told Mic that he spent the past year learning the industry and studying business models, and has aspirations to become a CEO and potentially even open his own retail marijuana facility in the Rocky Mountains.
"This industry is so much more than just a bunch of stoners getting high," Aletto told Mic. "It's evolving into a big business."
Legalization is also generating a significant amount of tax revenue for Colorado. According to data Freedman's office provided to Mic, Colorado collected $149 million dollars between when recreational sales began in January 2014 and September of this year. Of that total revenue, approximately $112 million came from the recreational market. Freedman said current projections predict Colorado will collect about $100 million in marijuana revenue each fiscal year for the foreseeable future. Although that number pales in comparison to Colorado's total state budget, which Freedman says is about $26 billion, Hickenlooper is quick to emphasize how valuable that revenue is for the state.
He said he believes that this revenue can be used to mitigate the downsides of legalization by funding counseling programs and education initiatives that teach young people about the potential downsides of using drugs.
"If kids do fall off the track, we have money now for reengagement programs and drug counseling and all these things that were traditionally hard to raise money for in government," Hickenlooper said.
"My biggest fear was that kids would think since it's legalized, it's less harmful," he said. "We now have the money to [stamp] that out."
Rough patches: Still, there are causes for concern. Hospitalizations resulting from marijuana appear to be on the rise. According to data Freedman's office provided to Mic, hospital emergency admission rates connected to marijuana increased from about 150 per 100,000 visits in 2011 to almost 250 per 100,000 visits in 2013. Despite this rise, however, Freedman told Mic marijuana-related hospitalizations still account for less than 1% of total hospitalizations in the state.
Traffic fatalities involving drivers under the influence of marijuana are also trending upward. According to Freedman's office, deaths involving drivers who tested positive for THC, the active ingredient in marijuana, increased from 55 in 2013 to 79 in 2014. Freedman told Mic that the total number of citations issued by the Colorado State Patrol for driving under the influence of drugs, however, has remained stable since January 2014.
"We're seeing a few things that concern us," Freedman told Mic. "Nothing that rises to what our public health people would say is an emergency, but stuff to keep an eye on. We're going to have to spend a lot more time digging [into the data] to know what's really going on."
Perhaps the greatest concern for Hickenlooper and his administration is whether the state government will be able to keep pace as the challenges of regulating such a rapidly growing industry evolve.
When voters passed legalization in 2012, Colorado had no existing system for taxing and regulating marijuana. Hickenlooper, along with other state officials, had to create one from scratch. That initial process has gone better than expected.
"I could not be more pleased and proud of the city employees and the industry working together," Denver Mayor Michael Hancock told Mic. "Everyone was all hands on deck to help provide the regulatory framework for proper enforcement and setup of these businesses in our city. Two years into this, I'm pleased with the direction we are going."
But as as the marijuana industry evolves, the state will face new challenges associated with regulating the industry. Hickenlooper said he recognizes the problem, drawing a direct comparison to the government's prior struggles regulating alcohol and tobacco as they, too, became big businesses.
"It is like Budweiser. It probably is going to be a battle like that because it's a capitalist system," the governor said. "So there's a profit to be made."
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Hickenlooper and his administration are looking into expanding regulations to prevent the marijuana industry from targeting specific populations at higher risk of marijuana use, such as young people, by running advertisements for enticing products like edible baked goods and gummy bear candies.
"We have to work to stop people from trying to advertise directly to addicts, and directly to youth, in order to get them loyal to whatever brand is being promoted," Freedman told Mic. "Where alcohol and tobacco got there with time, it would be good to get that up and running as fast as possible with marijuana."
Lesson for the nation: As all eyes watch the Centennial State's grand experiment closely, what lessons should the presidential candidates, and other states, draw from Colorado's early experience?
According to Freedman, there are two things presidential candidates could champion in the short term to improve federal marijuana policy. First, he believes the United States should stop classifying marijuana as a Schedule 1 drug, the strict category reserved for drugs with no medical use. Both Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) and former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton support rescheduling marijuana, with Sanders going further and advocating for repealing federal prohibition altogether.
"Having it be a Schedule 1 drug has meant that we don't have the facts that we need in order to properly regulate and use marijuana as medicine," Freedman told Mic. "That would be a great first step that we could do tomorrow that would do nothing but good things for the world."
Second, Freedman said the banking system should treat marijuana businesses as part of a legitimate industry. Because marijuana remains illegal under federal law, the Federal Reserve has blocked Colorado banks' attempts to service the state's weed businesses.
"As we're watching all these experiments go forward in different states without access to banking, we have a safety problem," he said. "We also will not be able to create a legitimate industry. The presence of only cash is an invitation for corruption."
As for the bigger question of whether Colorado can be a model for the country, Hickenlooper said politicians should exercise caution. While it may not be the resounding answer that marijuana enthusiasts want to hear, he wants other states to wait to see how the effects of commercialization play out.
"What I tell other governors is we need a little more time," Hickenlooper said. "I'd wait a year or two and just see."
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Happy to see Hickenlooper has seen a few beams of light down this tunnel.

An 80% arrest rate reduction could be because cops can't really give out tickets for possession anymore. I bet most arrests are for driving under the influence...

COLORADO ROCKS!!!
 

Eighths-n-Aces

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plenty of colorado politicians did and i feel are still doing what they can to stop legalization even though the voters want it.

Hickenlooper was against it too, but at least he had the sense to do what the voters were asking for even though he was taking some heat from the people who just don't give a fuck what the the people wanted. I'm not a fan of Hickenlooper or anybody else in government but he does deserve some credit for doing what we asked him to do even though siding with the old guard probably would have been easier on him.
 
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Unfortunately their tax revenues are a fallacy based on current prohibition laws in other states. They aren't taxing their own people("med patients") but taxing tourists at an exorbitant and unsustainable rate. If other states bordering CO went legal, you would see the CO market crash and burn to an oblivion.
 

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:biggrin: things will definitely change when things go legal in other states and some things will stay the same

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tourists have been coming here for other things for a long time
 

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Unfortunately their tax revenues are a fallacy based on current prohibition laws in other states. They aren't taxing their own people("med patients") but taxing tourists at an exorbitant and unsustainable rate. If other states bordering CO went legal, you would see the CO market crash and burn to an oblivion.

There are still many CO residents buying, not just tourists from out of state. I know this because I've seen neighbor at 2 different dispensaries. Too, watching the parking lot, there are CO license plates pulling up to buy.

Some just don't have a green thumb or the wherewithal to grow.

I think it's the adage, "Build it and they will come"....tourists or otherwise. I don't foresee the CO market crash and burn to an oblivion.
 
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There are still many CO residents buying, not just tourists from out of state. I know this because I've seen neighbor at 2 different dispensaries. Too, watching the parking lot, there are CO license plates pulling up to buy.

Some just don't have a green thumb or the wherewithal to grow.

I think it's the adage, "Build it and they will come"....tourists or otherwise. I don't foresee the CO market crash and burn to an oblivion.

Right, not everybody that drinks beer brews their own because they can go to the store and get it... same with weed. Not everybody that smokes wants to grow. Especially ones that try without study and quit growing after one try...
 

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Unfortunately their tax revenues are a fallacy based on current prohibition laws in other states. They aren't taxing their own people("med patients") but taxing tourists at an exorbitant and unsustainable rate. If other states bordering CO went legal, you would see the CO market crash and burn to an oblivion.

I'm not sure that's really accurate. How much retail weed goes to tourists is hard to determine. I know casual tokers who just buy retail. No games.

In the past, some MMJ docs were really activists who wanted legal weed so they'd recommend more often on that basis of than actual medical need. Now that we have retail, much of the rationale for that is gone with reduced demand for new red cards & some pressure from the state to be more selective wrt new recommendations. I was never part of that so I can't speak w/ much authority. Dunno if current cardholders are having issues w/ renewals or not.

I have to respect Hickenlooper's integrity. When the People expressed their wishes in unequivocal fashion he set out to make it happen in a straightforward up front sort of way & did.

In that & other regards he's show himself to be an honest & able administrator worthy of thanks. He makes it work the best he can see fit.

The unsustainable part of it all is the price. As producers' expertise improves & they recoup upfront costs downwards pressures will increase. The new business model of independent retail outlets will intensify that. They don't have to grow anything so they don't care if growers go broke or not so long as they can move product.

The other side of it is there's no place to dump excess production & cut losses, something we're bound to see eventually.
 

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There are still many CO residents buying, not just tourists from out of state. I know this because I've seen neighbor at 2 different dispensaries. Too, watching the parking lot, there are CO license plates pulling up to buy.

Some just don't have a green thumb or the wherewithal to grow.

I think it's the adage, "Build it and they will come"....tourists or otherwise. I don't foresee the CO market crash and burn to an oblivion.

Right, not everybody that drinks beer brews their own because they can go to the store and get it... same with weed. Not everybody that smokes wants to grow. Especially ones that try without study and quit growing after one try...

One of the cooler things about autoflowers, Aridbud's thing, is that they're very amenable to low tech casual micro grows. Forget photoperiod control- just leave a smaller HID light on all the time in the corner of a room or a closet over a plant or 2. A rich soil mix in good sized pots means all they need is water.

Retail is great & all, but I think the heart of Colorado cannabis is in personal growing, tens of thousands of people doing so quite legally. I'm a big advocate of that & will help anybody do it if I can. The prevalence of that tends to limit the bullshit from money players & the authorities in no small way. As time goes on, personal growing will move outdoors where it belongs because the authorities will give up trying to stop it at which point prohibition will truly be dead. I want to see cannabis seedling & clones next to the tomato seedlings at garden centers. I want the whole thing to become utterly normal.

I'm the worst kind of subversive- I want to take the money out of it.
 

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One of the cooler things about autoflowers, Aridbud's thing, is that they're very amenable to low tech casual micro grows. Forget photoperiod control- just leave a smaller HID light on all the time in the corner of a room or a closet over a plant or 2. A rich soil mix in good sized pots means all they need is water.

Retail is great & all, but I think the heart of Colorado cannabis is in personal growing, tens of thousands of people doing so quite legally. I'm a big advocate of that & will help anybody do it if I can. The prevalence of that tends to limit the bullshit from money players & the authorities in no small way. As time goes on, personal growing will move outdoors where it belongs because the authorities will give up trying to stop it at which point prohibition will truly be dead. I want to see cannabis seedling & clones next to the tomato seedlings at garden centers. I want the whole thing to become utterly normal.

I'm the worst kind of subversive- I want to take the money out of it.

Like Jhhnn said, I prefer keeping my money on my own plants, although I've tried a few samplings that rec shops offer.

The reason I like to grow and do it well is it being a personal satisfaction, a DIY type project. Recall many a decades ago (I guess in college) buying from friends and strangers. Preferred to know what made it grow and a reward for growing at harvest and beyond.

Colorado is instrumental in allowing adults to grow their product, be it recreational or MMJ.

And knowing taxes do go to certain Colorado agencies...it's bearable. I know when I go to Portugal, Nederland, Spain, (can only vouch for those countries) the cannabis I buy is taxed, included in the price per gram.
 

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I want to see cannabis seedling & clones next to the tomato seedlings at garden centers. I want the whole thing to become utterly normal.
I'm the worst kind of subversive- I want to take the money out of it.

straight up! if it was truly legal (even if treated like beer, limits on what you can produce) most of us that grow could produce far more than we really need. for example, even if legal & i did not get drug tested at work, i would not be smoking even a 1/4 ounce a month these days. the quality is such that i simply don't need that much to get high/relax. but i could grow a buttload more than that. this extra could be given to folks unable to grow due to various circumstances - age, infirmity, living quarters. there will always be a market for derivitives however, for those that do not want the euphoria associated with whole plant usage via smoking or vaping. pharmaceutical companies SHOULD be the ones dealing with that. i would never dream, for example, of trying to make a CBD oil for a young child dealing with seizures .
 

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I'm the worst kind of subversive- I want to take the money out of it.

don't say that out loud - i LOVE seeing these "classy dudes" who insist an ounce of weed is worth hundreds of dollars "what about the electricity" and how their experience is invaluable for others so look for their new products soon! having to act all polite and shit in public so folks won't feel like they're talking to some huge slavering rat fink on two legs.

let them keep the money. they can own all the shit in the world and fuck a pussy basically. real on top of the game brothers :tiphat: doncha love watching them pussy fuckers go.
 

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straight up! if it was truly legal (even if treated like beer, limits on what you can produce) most of us that grow could produce far more than we really need. for example, even if legal & i did not get drug tested at work, i would not be smoking even a 1/4 ounce a month these days. the quality is such that i simply don't need that much to get high/relax. but i could grow a buttload more than that. this extra could be given to folks unable to grow due to various circumstances - age, infirmity, living quarters. there will always be a market for derivitives however, for those that do not want the euphoria associated with whole plant usage via smoking or vaping. pharmaceutical companies SHOULD be the ones dealing with that. i would never dream, for example, of trying to make a CBD oil for a young child dealing with seizures .

If cannabis were legal they'd have to find a whole new way to test for it. Current methods merely identify you as a lawbreaker & nothing more. It's back door law enforcement. Instead of losing your freedom or your money you lose your job.
 

OranguTrump

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Hickenlooper gets huge cash from family booze biz - he didn't want competition, and now that he has it, he downplays the success of legal pot & still sticks to his "cautionary" tone.

Fuck him - free the weed.
 
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