what causes "expansive" smoke?

[secondascent]

i've heard a term used to describe herb ...lung expansive/expansive. does anyone have any info on what exactly results some herb to expand in the lungs? is it chemical make-up, lineage, proper/improper curing/drying,or a result of poorly flushed product? in regards to it being poorly flushed...i've tried two different strains grown identical to one another organically with 2 week flush...and one strain definately had an expansion effect where the other one lacked it. thanks for any input.


-second

 

[Guest]

i think it depends on how irritated your lungs become. some smoke is more likely to do it than others. Some smoke is heavy and thick others is just the opposite. mostly i believe its heat. take a slow hit and it seems rougher on neck take a quick big hit to sneak it by and that shit is going to catch up to you.





kinda like eating a shitload at once ur gonna get more in.. compared to eating slow and giving it time to digest

 

[WAMEN]

do you think so nept..?

 

[motaco]

I don't know I've had alot of billowing strains before. you can take a small hit and it seems to be alot of smoke when you exhale. even when its very smooth herb it'll give you a deep chest cough.

I just assumed it had something to do with trichome coverage because it doesn't happen to me when I smoke sativas much. usually when I'm smoking serious indicas.

and the same thing happens when I smoke hash. I can feel it billow in my lungs.

 

[Guest]

it irritating smoke yo lung dont wanna touch it. then u fill em up and there like 'get me the fuck outta ther'

but for real
'expansive' smoke to me. does the smoke actually 'expand' or do your lungs contract?
irritation. Cough. all that build up on the inside of ur pipe, or even dots of resin in a joint. maybe thats what makes ur lungs say boo!!!!

If i was a lung (and god hope i am someday) and some fool was hot boxin me id toss that smoke right back out the door.

i mean really your lungs dont like smoke they want it out, ie you cough. Eventually you cough less because you need to scrape your lungs for resin every once in a while and if you dont... its gonna bog your celia(tiny hairs), which is the reason you cough anyway.

i just think that some smoke is So irritating you cant stand it even at the instant of contact your diaphram contracts harder than usual trying to get it out.

 

[Baba Kush]

i don't think it's just the smoke, as i get expansive reactions to certain herbs using my volcano. i think motaco is on to the truth with his trichome coverage theory...

 

[JDOG6000]

I think it's a strain thing.
Or maybe the way it's dryed and cured also.

 

[Guest]

trich coverage? maybe inadvertantly, depending on your material the smoke is gonna be different, whatever in the smoke that makes your lungs seize up when smoke comes into contact with them, whatever That is, there is more of it in some smoke than others.

go smoke some maple leaves and see if that isnt 'expando'
heh
kidding

 

[Guest]

I think it's a strain thing. Way back in the old days on occasion some sativas would blow up on you too so I'm not sure it's a trich thing. I'm not talking about harshness of anykind but the hash like expansion of certain strains. Harshness could be caused by a bad cure or ferts left in the weed or something but I've always thought of expansion as a good thang. Usually smoke that blows up on me knocks my dick in the dirt.

 

[Guest]

"i've tried two different strains grown identical to one another organically with 2 week flush...and one strain definately had an expansion effect where the other one lacked it."


gas fills a container we know that theres differnt types of smoke, we know that.

some is thick and will 'spill' onto a table out of a pipe others is very sparce greyish white like cig smoke. kinda twists away. if you fill a container ur gonna see the smoke fill all the space available. seems pretty fixed and simple to me. but the container itself doesnt contract or expand or react to the smoke. but we do...


"What causes expansive smoke" putting smoke into something

either that or its the ever recessive expando gene



.....stretch armstrong had it, that motherfucker could take a hit like a blowfish

 

[Guest]

I think it's a strain thing. Way back in the old days on occasion some sativas would blow up on you too so I'm not sure it's a trich thing. I'm not talking about harshness of anykind but the hash like expansion of certain strains. Harshness could be caused by a bad cure or ferts left in the weed or something but I've always thought of expansion as a good thang. Usually smoke that blows up on me knocks my dick in the dirt.

i kiiinda think that too, but if somone told my they have had and expansive and non-expansive experiance with the same strain i wouldnt call them crazy.....

 

[zamalito]

I always considered it an oil content to harshness ratio. Like taking a hit off an oil pipe is very hard to hold in despite its lack of harshness. However if somethings harsh it decreases the amount your lungs take in also decreasing the oil content consumed. Remember there's oils in the plant aside from trichomes. A good cure and flush also decreases the harshness and simultaneously increases the weight of oil to harsh green matter making it more expansive. That's just my 2 cents

 

[Guest]

it sounds like were all pretty much on the same page here. if we werent you wouldnt be readin this

i mean it metaphoricly too of course

 

[zamalito]

A good vape hit is expansive whereas a huge bong hit of schwag when you can see the grey/brown color of the smoke in the chamber is harsh.

 

[Guest]

i guess what makes smoke expansive is our bodys reaction to it

i like more expansive smoke

 

[zeppelindood]

mj smoke/vap actually expands (hints expansion) as it is initially released and continues to do so for several seconds after. the quality of bud results in the level it does reach. the other variable in the equation is the individuals respiratory system. peAce

 

[Guest]

maybe the better question is what doesnt cause expansive smoke, we will get thru that list faster.

when were finished here lets move on to the meaning of life asap people

chop chop

 

[Guest]

just 400 more posts zeppelindood take it easy man

 

[Elevator Man]

Well, for my two cents worth, I find that the more potent the weed/resin, the more 'expansion'. My latest round of bubble hash definitely gives me the old chest spasms - 'lung sneezes' my friend calls them.

Jack Herer postulated in TEWNC (and claimed much authentic backup evidence, though I haven't read it) that the reason cannabis can help emphysema/asthma patients is that it opens up the bronchii at the end of the lung airways, unlike tobacco and other smokes that close them up. He postulated that the cough reflex was caused by the lungs expelling tar and other gunk from the bronchii, and therefore keeping 'em cleaner.

I don't know - I do smoke tobacco joints a lot of the time, but very little relative to most people - mine are about a 50/50 mix. Although I get the odd 'expansion' cough, I don't ever have a 'smoker's cough' like most folks I know who smoke ciggies habitually. I smoke a lot of weed relative to most folks too, but I also walk a hell of a lot and generally breathe very well (for a smoker!), and have a large lung capacity.
I don't smoke pipes or vaporizers as often. But I find that good tobacco and weed together, in the right proportion have a vastly more stimulating effect than either separately, and I also feel (I hope) that the weed goes some way to mitigating the damage (which Herer also theorized about, I think).

Datura leaves were a common ashtma treatment until recently in the UK (maybe still are) - 'Dr. Potters' - you burn the leaves and inhale the smoke to relieve asthma tightness. That worked fine, but if you brewed them into a tea, a 3-day nightmare could ensue. Although arguably more fun than a critical asthma attack...

 

[secondascent]

thanks for the response all. i guess there may be more than one factor at play. one thing i forgot to mention is that everytime i smoke rub/hash/scissor hash...i always get that expansion effect which makes me want to nearly cough up a lung...even with totally pure water hash. oh well, as the hottie in jackie brown said it "when you cough, you get higher"

elevator man - i use to be a total herb purist and never mixed joints with tobacco, until i found american spirit organic tobacco (red pack), now i'm all over the 50/50 mix.


-second