Week 6 flower, leaves dying off

[Themagnata]

I won't transplant them but the next plants will go in 3G pots.. let's see how they do..

 

[elimark1]

But a few other things are not right here.

I see too few and too small fruit heads for the 6th week of flowering ... a negative flower / leaf ratio.

you have too many plants in pots that are too small for the medium of soil. if you want to grow a lot of plants in small pots,

coco would be the better choice for you ... but even there there should be a small distance between the pots

... so that the oxygen which the roots need is better circulated in this zone. if the roots do not absorb oxygen, this interferes with the absorption of co2 via the leaves

... while co2 can be transported within the plant, this is not the case with oxygen ... our plants have no way of transporting it, there are no ways to do it.

oxygen has to be absorbed where it is needed.

In addition, their lower leaves hang limply ... others are strangely twisted ... and die in the middle of the plant ... that speaks for a too high salt content in the soil.

All of this together means that the plants fall short of their expectations.

you have removed too many leaves and shoots below. you also need functioning shade leaves in the suction ... they are important for the co2 absorption, to cool the plant and for hormone production as a whole, they are in the right proportion to the sun leaves.

the shadow leaves drive the sun leaves up in the production of the hormones which are responsible for large and many fruit heads.
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[Themagnata]

Here’s a plant i’m flowering atm in 3.5 liters of potting soil. About 60cm tall from the top of the soil.
Fully pollinated after 4 weeks of bloom. At 7 weeks of bloom today.

Nutrients:
BioBizz Grow 1,8ml/L
BioBizz Bloom 1,5 ml/L
Canna calmag 0,5ml/L
+ Enzymes, Hesi Super Vit, sea weed extract and some fulvic acid powder once a week
+ Just plain water every third watering
..this plant actually get’s abit less than that. Every other nutrient feed i’m diluting it with a bit of water, cause it doesn’t need as much nutrients as the other plant i’m making seeds with.

Not even the bottom leaves are yellowing at all. So it is very clear you can grow weed and make seeds in fairly small containers. I’ve even used just a 2 liter rose pot to make small batches of seeds.

The photo isn’t the best but you’ll get the idea..

Also, a very important question.. do you PH your water? Is it needed or not with Biobizz nutes? Because if Biobizz says you don't need to.. but most people still say you have to

 

[944s2]

Pretty much the same as most others have stated,,
water more but don’t over feed,,,keep your temps and humidity on point,,,,
As GMT mentioned above re flowering time,,
Here are some pics of mine that are just under 2 weeks in bloom,,,,
Multi variety grow with sat and ind Dom’s,,,,best of luck mate,,,
used all mix and canna pro mix for twenty years and never need to ph when using bio bizz nutes

 

[Themagnata]

Here’s a plant i’m flowering atm in 3.5 liters of potting soil. About 60cm tall from the top of the soil.
Fully pollinated after 4 weeks of bloom. At 7 weeks of bloom today.

Nutrients:
BioBizz Grow 1,8ml/L
BioBizz Bloom 1,5 ml/L
Canna calmag 0,5ml/L
+ Enzymes, Hesi Super Vit, sea weed extract and some fulvic acid powder once a week
+ Just plain water every third watering
..this plant actually get’s abit less than that. Every other nutrient feed i’m diluting it with a bit of water, cause it doesn’t need as much nutrients as the other plant i’m making seeds with.

Not even the bottom leaves are yellowing at all. So it is very clear you can grow weed and make seeds in fairly small containers. I’ve even used just a 2 liter rose pot to make small batches of seeds.

The photo isn’t the best but you’ll get the idea..

Also how often did you water this plant and how much? Just so I have an ideia.. do you water until you see run off at the bottom?

 

[Growenhaft]

that's what I tell you ... if you don't really deal with growing you will get about 30 grams dry per plant ... the plant shown will not shed more than that.
you can already tell from the number of fingers per leaf that this plant has some problems with the metabolism.
the middle and upper leaves should have 7-9-11 fingers ... not 3-5. the symmetry of the distances between the fingers is also not given
... but that is a problem which the grower of this plant does not recognize ... I pointed this out to him over 1/2 year ago. if you are satisfied with such plants ... your thing ... then let him coach you.

 

[GoatCheese]

Also, a very important question.. do you PH your water? Is it needed or not with Biobizz nutes? Because if Biobizz says you don't need to.. but most people still say you have to

I have to water it daily and i have to water it quite soon after the lights turn on or i’d start to see yellowing on the leaves, thou this plant seems to handle little drying out better than many others, some genetics don't like under watering/drying out at all like UK Cheese based stuff and some other skunk hybrids from Nevil's old genetics.. It’s been grown under Cree cobs but cause i’m making seeds with the plants i’m not pushing them with the light intensity as much as if i’d be growing sensi weed.

Yea, i use pH Down for the nutrient solution but i don’t use it when i give the plants just plain water. We have fairly good and stable water here so i don’t really measure the pH value ever. I did measure the pH of the nute solution years ago and for me i use 0,1ml/L of GHE pH Down.
Whether you have to use pH Down/Up really depends on the water you have back home. It’s better to have a general idea what the pH of your nute solution is back home no matter BioBizz tells you. Maybe you don't have to measure the pH value every time if you have stable water over there but it's good to have a general idea where it's at..

 

[GoatCheese]

that's what I tell you ... if you don't really deal with growing you will get about 30 grams dry per plant ... the plant shown will not shed more than that.
you can already tell from the number of fingers per leaf that this plant has some problems with the metabolism.
the middle and upper leaves should have 7-9-11 fingers ... not 3-5. the symmetry of the distances between the fingers is also not given
... but that is a problem which the grower of this plant does not recognize ... I pointed this out to him over 1/2 year ago. if you are satisfied with such plants ... your thing ... then let him coach you.

Yea, i remember well, pumpkin grower.
You still don’t seem to understand that when you top cannabis plants it affects how the leaves grow. I told you this back then but you just don't get it.


Next thing this genius will tell you is how on German grow forums they get great results with 150% strength of what BioBizz recommends! That’s a pumpkin grower for you!! LOL We grow marijuana not pumpkins, you don't seem to understand the difference.

You write a f-ing book for the OP on how plants are going to war when their leaves touch or what ever (WTF?) yet all you'd really have to tell him/her is that the plants need more watering, please teach us more. You can't even get the basic stuff right.

Go grow some over fed biomass and pumpkins and STFU you f-ing peasant.
...150% of what BioBizz recommneds!? What a great idea.

 

[Growenhaft]

oh ok i understand ...
you think i would offend you .... no i only rate what i see on your plants.
and that's why you think you have to insult me? it is not my fault if your plants do not produce any real yield.
And of course you will be so hardy to claim that your plants will have the best taste and potency and you don't care about the amount.
but think about it ... if your plants don't even manage to reach the finger number promised by genetics ...
do you seriously think they would develop their full terpenes and cannabionids?
you don’t have to answer that ... I’m sure that’s exactly what’s going on in your head.

by the way ... the tip with 150% scheme ... or even sometimes 200% with certain problems of insufficient supply during cultivation ... it comes directly from biobizz support.
precisely because only 30% of the nutrients are directly available to the plant ... and the rest has to be processed by the soil life.
if you have problems with the soil life so that the plant is lacking ... this is an extremely effective means to get your grow to a decent end ... Unfortunately, you are not familiar with biobizz ... and your plants reflect that.

 

[Themagnata]

Pretty much the same as most others have stated,,
water more but don’t over feed,,,keep your temps and humidity on point,,,,
As GMT mentioned above re flowering time,,
Here are some pics of mine that are just under 2 weeks in bloom,,,,
Multi variety grow with sat and ind Dom’s,,,,best of luck mate,,,
used all mix and canna pro mix for twenty years and never need to ph when using bio bizz nutes
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What pot size are you using?

 

[944s2]

10 litre pots of All mix,,,
bio grow and bloom,,,
Top max and not too much ,,,,,s2

 

[f-e]

I have no issue getting a few oz per liter of soil. The emphasis here on pot size seems unfounded. It won't cause this. My current grows got some issue I can't figure out fully, but still I had over 4oz from a 5" round pot. The average was almost 3oz with 22 coming from 8L in a meter, before disaster struck.

 

[Growenhaft]

The emphasis here on pot size seems unfounded.

the size of the pot determines success and failure at biobizz. Organic nutrients are far inferior to mineral nutrients when it comes to the dosage of nutrient salts ... they are much weaker. therefore the plant needs proportionally more of it than of mineral.
only 30% of the nutrients in the fertilizer are directly usable for the plant. the rest of the soil must first be processed so that it can be absorbed by the root hairs. these root hairs only live a few hours, die and emerge anew in other places ... this happens over the entire life of the plant.
if your pot is too small, you don't offer your plant enough space for the root hairs to play ... in addition, the life in the soil also needs time for the production of nutrients. the greater the volume, the greater the production by soil life.

4 liters of earth per month of service life! if you are 6 weeks in vegitation and 9 weeks in bloom, your final pot should ideally 15 weeks divided by 4 weeks = 3.7 x 4l soil = 14-15l volume as the last pot.
a fairly old but true formula for calculating the volume of soil life required for optimal plant care. life needs space! the space required by the soil life can only be saved through a 100% mineral diet. if you try to combine both biobizz and a lot of mineral acids and bases ... then this will always be bad for the plant. But if this happens in a pot that is too small, the effects are more serious. they fall far short of expectations and you can see it on the leaves.

 

[f-e]

Good post. I like hearing your thoughts on things, even when we don't entirely agree.
Perhaps the OP will update us soon. Let us know what they have done, and the result

 

[Themagnata]

10 litre pots of All mix,,,
bio grow and bloom,,,
Top max and not too much ,,,,,s2

I have been trying to water the plants better, I also moved the plants to another tent so they could have more space and better air flow..

But now I have thrips and powdery mildew.

I have been spotting the powdery mildew here and there, and is mostly on the plants that are sitting in the corners of the tent. I just removed all the leaves with the white spots on them, they were just a very few and the spots were also weak, and hard to see, I actually spotted them when taking pictures..

The thrips aren't also a big problem yet, I keep seeing this bites and some white sap on the leafs that are characteristic of thrips..

My plants probably need 3 more weeks to be done, and that's the longest phenos, because some are coming down in 2 weeks already, so I hope they will make it until harvest before the thrips and the powdery mildew can take over my crop..

What do you guys think?

Also 2 or 3 plants are showing some orange color in the leafs that I don't know what it is, but I guess is some kind of deficiency.. the weird thing is it's only on 2 or 3 plants out of the bunch..


In relation to pot size, biobizz nutes and not PHing and all this experimenting I have been doing this last 1/2 year of growing.. I won't ever be doing this style of grow again, it's too hard to stay on top of the plants, too much labor watering all this plants..
from now on I plan on growing with Coco, I'm going to uses Advanced Nutrients Coco PH perfect line to try and make things easier in the beginning

Unfortunately (or not) I already had some clones ready and I had transplanted them in 3G pots(11L) with 30% Biobizz Hummus and 70% Light mix Soil, so I'll have to finish this plants in a soil grow.. or is it possible to somehow transplant this plants into Coco?

Below are some pictures of both tents:

Vegging Tent that I would like to transplant to Coco:

 

[944s2]

your garden in bloom looks pretty fine to me,,longer veg next time maybe,,
I think it may be a good idea to dial in your soil /soilless mix runs before switching to coco which will need watering more frequently and more care but if you feel comfortable then go for it,,,
all mix etc is very forgiving to a Point and are you a 100% that’s PM?,,,,
here’s a pic of mine at exactly 5 weeks in bloom,,
,looking at end of week 9 for the indica and week11 ? For the haze ,,s2

 

[Themagnata]

your garden in bloom looks pretty fine to me,,longer veg next time maybe,,
I think it may be a good idea to dial in your soil /soilless mix runs before switching to coco which will need watering more frequently and more care but if you feel comfortable then go for it,,,
all mix etc is very forgiving to a Point and are you a 100% that’s PM?,,,,
here’s a pic of mine at exactly 5 weeks in bloom,,
,looking at end of week 9 for the indica and week11 ? For the haze ,,s2
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Nice Plants you got there, looks like you're going to yield alot. How many lamps are you using?

Also I have a question, I harvested some plants I had in the other tent.. I hung them up to dry for 5 days, then I put the buds In jars to start curing... In the beginning the smell was great and pungent, but now after 6 days I feel like the smell is almost gone.. when I open the jar there is some smell, but the smell is different now, kind of sweeter.. and is not half as strong as it was 1 week ago..
I also have to break a bud to really be able to smell the buds, I'm worried the smell will keep vanishing..

The taste improved alot though.. the ashes are not burning completely white yet and there is still some black spots, but it's improving I guess..

Also when I smoke a joint, the smell I get from the smoke is more like burned paper and not the weed smell that you can smell from far away when someone has light up a joint..

I flushed the plants for 2 weeks before harvest

What am I doing wrong?


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