Weed Wars: New show on Discovery

[Hydrosun]

exactly.. you guys are being ignorant if you think he didnt eat those while he was driving or right when he got in his car.

And while you are not being ignorant, you are being one of the largest tools in the world if you want to come to this forum and claim driving with cannabis in your system is wrong, or should be a crime.

The way you make it sound he consumed something so dangerous it is a miracle he didn't kill anyone. The guy managed to have a phone call with his granddaughter and arrive safely at his destination. How about you worry about drivers that actually crash?

 

[ShroomDr]

Medical Marijuana Use Reduces Traffic Deaths, Acts As Substitute For Alcohol Consumption, Study Says

A good deal of time, money, and energy has been spent on the issue of drinking and driving. For all the hype surrounding medical marijuana these days, however, not only is anti-driving advocacy weak -- data on the effects of marijuana and traffic deaths is sparse as well. CU Denver economics professor Daniel Rees and Montana State University assistant economics professor D. Mark Anderson hope to change that.

In a recently released study, the duo analyzed state-level data for correlations between medical marijuana laws and a variety of outcomes. An abstract details some of their more surprising findings:

Legalization of medical marijuana is associated with increased use of marijuana among adults, but not among minors. In addition, legalization is associated with a nearly 9 percent decrease in traffic fatalities, most likely to due to its impact on alcohol consumption. Our estimates provide strong evidence that marijuana and alcohol are substitutes.

The authors accounted for variables including seat-belt usage, miles driven, and changes in traffic laws, though don't explicitly draw a 1-to-1 correlation between marijuana usage and decreased traffic fatalities. They further acknowledge "cannabis use impairs driving-related functions such as distance perception, reaction time, and hand-eye coordination," though drivers "under the influence of marijuana reduce their velocity, avoid risky maneuvers, and increase their 'following distances.'"

The report concludes that marijuana legalization is associated with a 12-percent drop in alcohol-related fatal crashes, and a 19-percent decrease in the fatality rate for people in their 20s. Despite the decrease in both rates, the study emphasizes it is not necessarily safer to drive under the influence of marijuana than alcohol -- just that medical-marijuana usage alters the likelihood of driving.

According to the Denver Post, the study awaits a peer-review.

 

[RetroGrow]

Medical Marijuana Use Reduces Traffic Deaths, Acts As Substitute For Alcohol Consumption, Study Says

Right on!
I've always known I drive more safely when "medicated" with cannabis, as I drive more slowly.
No question it's safer than alcohol, but I hadn't considered the substitution angle. Now if we could only get all the drinkers to switch, the death rate for car accidents would go WAY down.
It's nice to see a study backing it up.

 

[RetroGrow]

Marijuana Gold Rush on the National Geographic channel was a much more informative show. It also showed Harborside. Showed a whole lot more about the industry and actually showed Oakland's involvement. Seems like the Marijuana Wars show was made up of what hit the cutting room floor from Marijuana Gold rush. Many more facts

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[Herborizer]

I don't condone being under the influence while driving, I was personally not upset that the tv show showed Steve eat cannabis and drive. There are A LOT of conservative people who think that Cannabis is a REALLY HARD drug, like heroin, etc. Steve ordered up the super potent edible, consumed it, drove it SF of all places while on the phone, made it to a meeting on time, and gave a presentation to investors.

This should open the eyes of a lot of people. This could even get them to wonder how many people they know could be on cannabis and they don't know it.

 

[Mrs.Babba]

You guys are really focusing on the driving thing...If Im awake Im medicating, that means driving, working, playing whatever....Havent wrecked or hurt anyone

 

[ShroomDr]

Right on!
I've always known I drive more safely when "medicated" with cannabis, as I drive more slowly.

A drunk will run a stop sign
A pot head will wait for it to change...

 

[b00m]

Didn't he actually say that he would eat the Super Potent Brownie just before he went on the stage to give his speech, just to make him relaxed and calm??
Like Mrs. Babba I medicate as soon as I wake and have been for 20 odd yrs without destroying motor vehicles or other people's lives

 

[Brother Bear]

You guys are really focusing on the driving thing...If Im awake Im medicating, that means driving, working, playing whatever....Havent wrecked or hurt anyone

Like Mrs. Babba I medicate as soon as I wake and have been for 20 odd yrs without destroying motor vehicles or other people's lives

Me three

 

[RetroGrow]

You guys are really focusing on the driving thing...If Im awake Im medicating, that means driving, working, playing whatever....Havent wrecked or hurt anyone

Yup, same here.
However, if I ate 4 of those "spacecakes", I would be a zombie and could not even attempt to drive.
Hell, I couldn't even find my keys.
I ate one of those in Amsterdam, and missed the entire weekend. It just blew me away. I missed the museum, and slept all night and day and woke up the next day, Sunday, after eating it on Friday. Never even saw Saturday.

 

[odogyouknow]

The funny thing about the whole edible scene was him like semi-frantically rushing into the shop last minute at 8 in the morning to grab em. I mean he's the leader of a 20 mil a year company and he kinda looked like he didn't have his shit together.

One side of the coin is fir him to be an activist about it and take a bong hit right before hopping in the car and make it to s.f. safe and sound just like every time and look at the camera and say look no big deal.

The other side of the coin is for him to have his medication needs dialed in and taken care of.

 

[Headbandf1]

I think i brought up the driving thing, And don't want to sound like a hypocrite but i to from time to time drive and have never hurt anyone or damaged any property.

My point was simply that it is an inappropriate message for the CEO to be sending let alone implied behavior such as consuming and driving. Another point, depending how strong the cannabis gingerbread is a body high is way different from smoking. In fact part of the patient agreement from HS says Don't consume till your at destination. So for Steve de Angelo the moto is do what i say not what I do.

 

[BigDawg]

if he ate them while driving, im sure discovery channel would've showed him eating them. It's not like the buzz kicks in right away anyways.

 

[forty]

EVERY SINGLE PERSON i know that has gone there, including me, has NOTHING GOOD to say about them......

who likes to stand in line for a hour, maybe even longer to be treated like shit by the people who work there? treated like your under them, straight dirt....
WHO THE FUCK LIKES TO GET CHARGED $65 AN EIGHTH AND $450 AN OUNCE? in this economy? so many years after prop 215? and they talk about passion.....
NO THANKS!!!

having a choice aint a bad thing imo.

 

[Mia]

Apparently DeAngelo did speak out against the warehouse situation, so I was wrong in my statement. I guess I assumed their support since I had remembered reading that they were going for the permit.
So that being said I guess I remain agnostic on the issue(although this dom duncan stuff seems troubling IF true) until I have more info but I still hold the position that $70 eighths are bullshit no matter the quality.

 

[Midnight Rudy]

The funny thing about the whole edible scene was him like semi-frantically rushing into the shop last minute at 8 in the morning to grab em. I mean he's the leader of a 20 mil a year company and he kinda looked like he didn't have his shit together.

One side of the coin is fir him to be an activist about it and take a bong hit right before hopping in the car and make it to s.f. safe and sound just like every time and look at the camera and say look no big deal.

The other side of the coin is for him to have his medication needs dialed in and taken care of.

I'm with you on this odog... Here is my thing. Sure he could do a big f-you bong hit before the drive but what would that do other than say f-you to the people who we want on our side. People don't like to be wrong about anything, so for those people who DON'T think pot should be legal and regulated or legal for medical use, we need to show them the whole truth so that they can come to the conclusion that pot ain't so bad ON THEIR OWN. This is about perception and because of this show the faces of smokers everywhere is now an EPIC stoner and his crew of misfits.

People already percieve pot smokers as real life Cheech and Chongs, and that is only a small portion of the smokers in the world. Actually those are often the most visible users because they don't give a shit or have nothing to loose. Most users keep it on the down-low and smoke in their free time as opposed to literally being stoned 24/7. One of the biggest problems with prohibition IMHO is that nobody ever talks about responsible use.

Not hating on patients who need that, but to try to broadcast to the world that pot smokers spend the entire day high is absolutly not good for either the mmj scene or the legalization scene. That is exactly what the oposition is afraid of!!!!! Remember the stoned bus driver argument from prop 19?

That all being said, it is what it is and it isn't either about me or for me, so I'm not hating. If for some reason Steve or his crew reads this, I want to say thanks for doing it. Dag is right in that nobody else has the balls to do this. I will definitely be watching the rest to see how this unfolds.

 

[Rusty420]

this show is funny, watching on noobtube right now..

 

[Hydrosun]

I still hold the position that $70 eighths are bullshit no matter the quality.

I hold the position that $4.00 gas is bullshit no matter the quality. Does that mean I can fill my tank for $2.00 per gallon, or force the government to steal from my neighbors and give me free gas?

 

[Mia]

Make your own gas.
The germans did.
I'm certainly entitled to my opinion and guess what i don't pay for $70 eighths...
Steal from others if you like, that's not my mo and any attempt at you intimating such from my post is both misguided and inappropriate.
But hey thanks for the false dichotomy!

BTW Jefferson was willing to impede on property rights.

 

[PondRacer]

Coming from a non-friendly state, I would agree that on the surface, HS looks like THE model for other states to follow.

HOWEVER: there are quite a few of you who make compelling arguments that the Colorado model is the best one to follow.

I've used cannabis off and on in the past (currently in hiatus because I cannot find anybody to trust in my state, and as such, will not take such risks, and am working on moving to a friendlier state) for my PTSD and back pain. I do agree that there should be legalization and decriminalization of cannabis, and I was hoping for that show to put it in a positive light. Did it? I'm kinda mixed right there.

I DID like the fact that they had quality control measures put in place, but it raised even more questions, like: are the dispensaries in other states actually adopting quality control in order to ensure that medically-licensed people are getting good product and not mold infested or anything like that? Are they using the QC model just for show?

The flip side of the argument is that they can do whatever with the money and pass themselves off as nonprofit. What do they do with the money that is left over after paying for overhead costs, seriously? Do they donate to St Judes? Do they donate to the local hospital? Do they donate to the homeless shelters? Do they donate to the churches? Not from what I see in this thread.

As far as driving, I believe the concern is legitimate but unfounded; I've ridden drunk, and I've ridden stoned, and I prefer stoned because I actually ride more careful than when drunk. Best bet though is ride/drive sober until you KNOW how your body is with cannabis in the system, and NEVER drive drunk.

I'd like to visit the dispensaries in Colorado (the better ones that operate within the rules totally) and dispensaries in California and compare the differences, IN PERSON. Seeing as I am not a card holder, that chance may be denied to me, so it may be a moot point anyway. (since i live in a non-friendly state currently)

The situation with no banks allowing Colorado dispensaries to open accounts with them is fucked up, to tell you the truth; they should have handled that one better. There are parts of the medical marijuana legislation OVERALL, not just Colorado or California, that I feel should or could have been amended for the better, allowing better control and reducing corruption. Mind you I'm talking STATE level, not FEDERAL.

I try to not be a closed minded person, I try to think things through, and this thread made me think. A LOT. Granted, I have to sift out the seeds from the chaff to get to the underlying messages, but that's part of what makes you do some good thinking.

PondRacer