I'll admit to be a chronic user, few times a day, most days, for the better part of the last 50 years. I don't notice while I'm consuming, but during the few times I've abstained for a few weeks, I notice that I start dreaming again, or at least I start remembering my dreams again. My partner commented on the same when she recently cleaned up for a drug test for a job. Curious to hear what others have experienced and if there are any theories to explain the phenomenon.
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Weed and Dreams
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i agree brother,
i used to travel for quite a while overseas for work and couldnt smoke; at those times dreams started again. i guess now my sleep period is shorter but almost numb. when i wasn't smoking i got very vivid dreams, but perhaps it's just because i was "newly" experiencing them; perhaps after a while not smoking and dreaming constantly, the dream after effect or vividness decreases. i dont know, only lasted for two months max in the past 20 years. nice that someone also thinks about it.
best wishes,
i used to travel for quite a while overseas for work and couldnt smoke; at those times dreams started again. i guess now my sleep period is shorter but almost numb. when i wasn't smoking i got very vivid dreams, but perhaps it's just because i was "newly" experiencing them; perhaps after a while not smoking and dreaming constantly, the dream after effect or vividness decreases. i dont know, only lasted for two months max in the past 20 years. nice that someone also thinks about it.
best wishes,
I have or tend to remember dreams more when abstaining for some time.
It has been well documented medically that weed disrupts your ability to remember your dreams.
I can't remeber the exact scientific explanation. If you google it, you will find your answer. It has something to do with interfering with your REM or deep sleep.
If I stop smoking weed - heaven forbid - for a week or so, my dreams come back, and they are fucking weird.
I'll take my weed and no dream recollection thank you.
RMS
I can't remeber the exact scientific explanation. If you google it, you will find your answer. It has something to do with interfering with your REM or deep sleep.
If I stop smoking weed - heaven forbid - for a week or so, my dreams come back, and they are fucking weird.
I'll take my weed and no dream recollection thank you.
RMS
its a definite thing .... you are actively dreaming when you reach the REM state ...THC mess's up the sequence & somehow you can't recall what was....
Marijuana, Sleep, and Dreams
Marijuana, Sleep, and Dreams
Does marijuana affect REM sleep?
Posted Jun 22, 2009
Marijuana affects dreams. Stoners say they don't have dreams but if they stop smoking for a few days, they are flooded with dreams. Is there any psychological research supporting this?
Sleep and wakefulness are both parts of a normal daily rhythm. Fish, cats, humans, and many other living things have daily cycles of activity and rest. This daily cycle is called a circadian rhythm. "Circadian" comes from the Latin root "circa dies" and means "about a day." Both external and internal events can influence circadian rhythms. Morning light and alarm clocks trigger wakefulness. When isolated from normal time cues, the daily human cycle is about 24 hours, hence "circa dies."
The study of sleep is fascinating. Sleep has been extensively studied in research laboratories, like the University of Chicago, by measuring brain waves and eye movements while research subjects sleep. Gentle electrodes are placed on volunteers' scalps and near their eyes. While sleeping, the electroencephalogram (EEG) provides evidence of brain activity.
Though sleep seems like a passive state to us, the brain is still very active. In fact, the EEG of a person falling asleep shows five stages of sleep: Stages 1 through 4 and a stage called rapid eye movement (REM) sleep. Each stage is progressively deeper and the complete cycle is repeated several times during the night. When awakened during REM sleep, subjects report dreaming. So if dreams take place during REM sleep, the question is: Does smoking marijuana interrupt REM sleep?
To address this question, Feinberg, et al. (1975) compared the sleep patterns of experienced marijuana users on tetrahydrocannabinol (THC) and a placebo. Feinberg, et al. (1975) reported reduced eye movement activity and less REM sleep in the THC condition. They also reported a REM rebound effect, which is more REM activity, on withdrawal from THC. So, there exists some scientific evidence that marijuana interferes with REM sleep.
If sleep is fascinating, dreaming is even more so. No one knows for sure the meaning or function of night-time dreams, but there is plenty of speculation. Freud believed dreams represented the royal road to the unconscious. They told us our secret desires and fears.
In his book Memories, Dreams, and Reflections, Jung describes some fascinating dreams of his own. In particular, he describes one dream that haunted him for a long time. When he was about 3-years-old, he dreamed he was in a large meadow. In this meadow, there was a big dark hole. Slowly and cautiously, he descended this dark hole. At the bottom, he found a richly decorated king's throne and on the throne was a huge fleshy object. This thing was about 10 to 15 feet high and came to head but had no face. At the very top was a large eye gazing upward. During the dream, he heard his mother's voice saying that this was a maneater. The 3-year-old Jung, awoke terrified and dripping in sweat. This dream preoccupied him for years. Much later he came to understand the dream as a symbol of a giant phallus and the beginning of his theory of archetypes.
I must confess I have never been visited by a giant phallus during the night, but I have had some pretty cool dreams. During a period of intense anxiety, I was obsessed with death. One night, I dreamed I was sitting in a movie theater impatiently waiting for the movie to begin. My father and my brother were next to me and I was facing the big white screen, waiting and waiting. Finally, the picture began and I was flooded with profound white light and overwhelming love. Death had come for me but death was not scary, it was extremely benevolent, loving and blissful. How about you? Do you have any night time dreams you'd like to share? Any thoughts on marijuana and dreams?
Source: https://www.psychologytoday.com/ca/blog/the-teenage-mind/200906/marijuana-sleep-and-dreams
Jann Gumbiner Ph.D.
Jann Gumbiner, Ph.D., is a licensed psychologist and clinical professor at the University of California, Irvine College of Medicine, and served on the faculty at Chapman University, specializing in adolescent and child development.
RMS
Marijuana, Sleep, and Dreams
Does marijuana affect REM sleep?
Posted Jun 22, 2009
Marijuana affects dreams. Stoners say they don't have dreams but if they stop smoking for a few days, they are flooded with dreams. Is there any psychological research supporting this?
Sleep and wakefulness are both parts of a normal daily rhythm. Fish, cats, humans, and many other living things have daily cycles of activity and rest. This daily cycle is called a circadian rhythm. "Circadian" comes from the Latin root "circa dies" and means "about a day." Both external and internal events can influence circadian rhythms. Morning light and alarm clocks trigger wakefulness. When isolated from normal time cues, the daily human cycle is about 24 hours, hence "circa dies."
The study of sleep is fascinating. Sleep has been extensively studied in research laboratories, like the University of Chicago, by measuring brain waves and eye movements while research subjects sleep. Gentle electrodes are placed on volunteers' scalps and near their eyes. While sleeping, the electroencephalogram (EEG) provides evidence of brain activity.
Though sleep seems like a passive state to us, the brain is still very active. In fact, the EEG of a person falling asleep shows five stages of sleep: Stages 1 through 4 and a stage called rapid eye movement (REM) sleep. Each stage is progressively deeper and the complete cycle is repeated several times during the night. When awakened during REM sleep, subjects report dreaming. So if dreams take place during REM sleep, the question is: Does smoking marijuana interrupt REM sleep?
To address this question, Feinberg, et al. (1975) compared the sleep patterns of experienced marijuana users on tetrahydrocannabinol (THC) and a placebo. Feinberg, et al. (1975) reported reduced eye movement activity and less REM sleep in the THC condition. They also reported a REM rebound effect, which is more REM activity, on withdrawal from THC. So, there exists some scientific evidence that marijuana interferes with REM sleep.
If sleep is fascinating, dreaming is even more so. No one knows for sure the meaning or function of night-time dreams, but there is plenty of speculation. Freud believed dreams represented the royal road to the unconscious. They told us our secret desires and fears.
In his book Memories, Dreams, and Reflections, Jung describes some fascinating dreams of his own. In particular, he describes one dream that haunted him for a long time. When he was about 3-years-old, he dreamed he was in a large meadow. In this meadow, there was a big dark hole. Slowly and cautiously, he descended this dark hole. At the bottom, he found a richly decorated king's throne and on the throne was a huge fleshy object. This thing was about 10 to 15 feet high and came to head but had no face. At the very top was a large eye gazing upward. During the dream, he heard his mother's voice saying that this was a maneater. The 3-year-old Jung, awoke terrified and dripping in sweat. This dream preoccupied him for years. Much later he came to understand the dream as a symbol of a giant phallus and the beginning of his theory of archetypes.
I must confess I have never been visited by a giant phallus during the night, but I have had some pretty cool dreams. During a period of intense anxiety, I was obsessed with death. One night, I dreamed I was sitting in a movie theater impatiently waiting for the movie to begin. My father and my brother were next to me and I was facing the big white screen, waiting and waiting. Finally, the picture began and I was flooded with profound white light and overwhelming love. Death had come for me but death was not scary, it was extremely benevolent, loving and blissful. How about you? Do you have any night time dreams you'd like to share? Any thoughts on marijuana and dreams?
Source: https://www.psychologytoday.com/ca/blog/the-teenage-mind/200906/marijuana-sleep-and-dreams
Jann Gumbiner Ph.D.
Jann Gumbiner, Ph.D., is a licensed psychologist and clinical professor at the University of California, Irvine College of Medicine, and served on the faculty at Chapman University, specializing in adolescent and child development.
RMS
Good stuff. I don't feel like anything is missing since I only notice dreams have been absent when they start again. Could be that being high reduces the need to dream. I do enjoy the comatose sleep that follows consumption at bedtime.
Had the reverse effect when I quit smoking cigarettes. If I left a nicotine patch on overnight, I had amazing dreams.
Had the reverse effect when I quit smoking cigarettes. If I left a nicotine patch on overnight, I had amazing dreams.
For me it's wasn't about not dreaming , it was about not being able to recall the dreams ...
Same story as above. Every couple months I stop smoking to see if my bad leg still gets the spasms at 2:00 in the morning and wake me up. I suddenly start dreaming again. At first the dreams were nightmares about the place I used to work. That place treated everyone really bad, and the memories of that place showed up in the nightmares. Now the dreams are starting to get pleasant. When I start smoking again the dreams stop.
It is more effective than a combination depakote/zypreka/xanax/ambien for those with PTSD who can't sleep.
My PTSD was so bad it negatively effected my children and the medicines I was taking to try to sleep listed above where so toxic they started shutting my body down.
I still suffer auto immune/inflammation and while the PTSD is not as bad I still have overly active mind that prevents restorative sleep without marijuana.
However even with a heavy regiment of marijuana I dream but the dreams are just that. They aren't traumatic (I used to have unspeakable dreams such as watching my children tortured and mutilated) at all.
My dreams now always have me in nature or environments that don't bring me discord or pain. Just freedom to be (in my dreams). Nothing more, nothing less.
My PTSD was so bad it negatively effected my children and the medicines I was taking to try to sleep listed above where so toxic they started shutting my body down.
I still suffer auto immune/inflammation and while the PTSD is not as bad I still have overly active mind that prevents restorative sleep without marijuana.
However even with a heavy regiment of marijuana I dream but the dreams are just that. They aren't traumatic (I used to have unspeakable dreams such as watching my children tortured and mutilated) at all.
My dreams now always have me in nature or environments that don't bring me discord or pain. Just freedom to be (in my dreams). Nothing more, nothing less.
I used to have a lot of conflict when I dreamed (and remembered the dream when I woke). I don't get that when I sleep on cannacookies. When I wake it is just a few hours later than the last time (when I pee'd and ate another cookie), and I have not had unpleasant dreams. My jaw isn't sore, my teeth aren't sore.
I'll take the restful oblivion any night!
I'll take the restful oblivion any night!
If you are having bad dreams or if you simply want to have good dreams, read up on LUCID DREAMING. I believe the guys name was DeBere or something close. Seacrh Institute of Lucid Dreaming. Oh, fuck it... here...
https://www.lucidity.com/
The Lucidity Institute is an incorporated research institute founded in 1987 by Stephen LaBerge that supports lucid dreaming research and development of techniques that help people achieve lucid dreams (conscious dreams). For some time, it also produced induction devices. It currently holds seminars about lucid dreaming under the title "Dreaming and Awakening" in Kalani, Hawaii.[1]
References
External links
I did the Lucid Dreaming experiments many years ago and if you do the exercises, it really really works. I was elevating almost immediately and I was flying in no time. After about 6 months, I was damn near in total control of my dreams. I could plan to dream about being in a cowboy dream and it was about 90% sure that I would have that dream and it would be lucid.
If you have never done it, wow, you have no idea the experience you're missing. Kind of like never having done any hallucinogens in your life. Or, never having had sex. LOL Don't die before trying this.
https://www.lucidity.com/
The Lucidity Institute is an incorporated research institute founded in 1987 by Stephen LaBerge that supports lucid dreaming research and development of techniques that help people achieve lucid dreams (conscious dreams). For some time, it also produced induction devices. It currently holds seminars about lucid dreaming under the title "Dreaming and Awakening" in Kalani, Hawaii.[1]
References
- "LUCID DREAMING". www.lucidity.com. Retrieved 2018-12-20.
External links
I did the Lucid Dreaming experiments many years ago and if you do the exercises, it really really works. I was elevating almost immediately and I was flying in no time. After about 6 months, I was damn near in total control of my dreams. I could plan to dream about being in a cowboy dream and it was about 90% sure that I would have that dream and it would be lucid.
If you have never done it, wow, you have no idea the experience you're missing. Kind of like never having done any hallucinogens in your life. Or, never having had sex. LOL Don't die before trying this.
Here is the 1987 Omni Article that got me started.
THE OMNI EXPERIENCE POWER TRIPS: CONTROLLING YOUR DREAMS Release Date: Thursday, 19 March 1987 A number of techniques facilitate lucid dreaming. One of the simplest is asking yourself many times during the day whether you are dreaming. Each time you ask the question, you should look for evidence proving you are not dreaming. The most reliable test: Read something, look away for a moment, and then read it again. If it reads the same way twice, it is unlikely that you are dreaming. After you have proved to yourself that you are not presently dreaming, visualize yourself doing what it is you'd like. Also, tell yourself that you want to recognize a nighttime dream the next time it occurs. The mechanism at work here is simple; it's much the same as picking up milk at the grocery store after reminding yourself to do so an hour before. At night people usually realize they are dreaming when they experience unusual or bizarre occurrences. For instance, if you find yourself flying without visible means of support, you should realize that this happens only in dreams and that you must therefore be dreaming. If you awaken from a dream in the middle of the night, it is very helpful to return to the dream immediately, in your imagination. Now envision yourself recognizing the dream as such. Tell yoursel, "The next time I am dreaming, I want to remember to recognize that I am dreaming." If your intention is strong and clear enough, you may find yourself in a lucid dream when you return to sleep. Even if you're a frequent lucid dreamer, you may not be able to stop yourself from waking up in mid-dream. And even if your dreams do reach a satisfying end, you may not be able to focus them exactly as you please. During our years of research, however, we have found that spinning your dream body can sustain the period of sleep and give you greater dream control. In fact, many subjects at Stanford University have used the spinning technique as an effective means of staying in a lucid dream. The task outlined below will help you use spinning as a means of staying asleep and, more exciting, as a means of traveling to whatever dream world you desire. 956 Before retiring, decide on a person, time, and place you would like to visit in your lucid dream. The target person and place can be either real or imaginary, past, present, or future. Write down and memorize your target person and place, then visualize yourself visiting your target and firmly resolve to do so in a dream that night. To gain lucidity, repeat the phrase describing your target in your dream, and spin your whole dream body in a standing position with your arms outstretched. You can pirouette or spin like a top, as long as you vividly feel your body in motion. The same spinning technique will help when, in the middle of a lucid dream, you feel the dream imagery beginning to fade. To avoid waking up, spin as you repeat your target phrase again and again. With practice, you'll return to your target person, time, and place. When spinning, try to notice whether you're moving in a clockwise or counter-clockwise direction. - Stephen LaBerge and Jayne Gackenbach Stephen LaBerge, Ph.D., of the Stanford University Sleep Research Center, is also the author of LUCID DREAMING, Ballantine Books, New York, (C) 1985. LUCID DREAMING is a 305 page book which costs $3.95 and is available in the "Psychiatry" or "Self-Help" section of most major bookstores. 957
And, here is an interesting story from a guy who started when I did, but never stopped...
https://youaredreaming.org/2018/02/...worth-lucid-dreaming-reflections-experiences/
THE OMNI EXPERIENCE POWER TRIPS: CONTROLLING YOUR DREAMS Release Date: Thursday, 19 March 1987 A number of techniques facilitate lucid dreaming. One of the simplest is asking yourself many times during the day whether you are dreaming. Each time you ask the question, you should look for evidence proving you are not dreaming. The most reliable test: Read something, look away for a moment, and then read it again. If it reads the same way twice, it is unlikely that you are dreaming. After you have proved to yourself that you are not presently dreaming, visualize yourself doing what it is you'd like. Also, tell yourself that you want to recognize a nighttime dream the next time it occurs. The mechanism at work here is simple; it's much the same as picking up milk at the grocery store after reminding yourself to do so an hour before. At night people usually realize they are dreaming when they experience unusual or bizarre occurrences. For instance, if you find yourself flying without visible means of support, you should realize that this happens only in dreams and that you must therefore be dreaming. If you awaken from a dream in the middle of the night, it is very helpful to return to the dream immediately, in your imagination. Now envision yourself recognizing the dream as such. Tell yoursel, "The next time I am dreaming, I want to remember to recognize that I am dreaming." If your intention is strong and clear enough, you may find yourself in a lucid dream when you return to sleep. Even if you're a frequent lucid dreamer, you may not be able to stop yourself from waking up in mid-dream. And even if your dreams do reach a satisfying end, you may not be able to focus them exactly as you please. During our years of research, however, we have found that spinning your dream body can sustain the period of sleep and give you greater dream control. In fact, many subjects at Stanford University have used the spinning technique as an effective means of staying in a lucid dream. The task outlined below will help you use spinning as a means of staying asleep and, more exciting, as a means of traveling to whatever dream world you desire. 956 Before retiring, decide on a person, time, and place you would like to visit in your lucid dream. The target person and place can be either real or imaginary, past, present, or future. Write down and memorize your target person and place, then visualize yourself visiting your target and firmly resolve to do so in a dream that night. To gain lucidity, repeat the phrase describing your target in your dream, and spin your whole dream body in a standing position with your arms outstretched. You can pirouette or spin like a top, as long as you vividly feel your body in motion. The same spinning technique will help when, in the middle of a lucid dream, you feel the dream imagery beginning to fade. To avoid waking up, spin as you repeat your target phrase again and again. With practice, you'll return to your target person, time, and place. When spinning, try to notice whether you're moving in a clockwise or counter-clockwise direction. - Stephen LaBerge and Jayne Gackenbach Stephen LaBerge, Ph.D., of the Stanford University Sleep Research Center, is also the author of LUCID DREAMING, Ballantine Books, New York, (C) 1985. LUCID DREAMING is a 305 page book which costs $3.95 and is available in the "Psychiatry" or "Self-Help" section of most major bookstores. 957
And, here is an interesting story from a guy who started when I did, but never stopped...
https://youaredreaming.org/2018/02/...worth-lucid-dreaming-reflections-experiences/
@ Weird >>> try Ketamine ... it works wonders 
I have vivid dreams every day, but I smoke only at night.
Never had a prolonged period of dreamless sleep.
I understand that not dreaming leads to trouble.
If getting high was counter intuitive to a healthy dream/wake cycle, I would stop getting high.
If you don't dream, what's the point of sleep.
Why get high if it make you not dream.
Never had a prolonged period of dreamless sleep.
I understand that not dreaming leads to trouble.
If getting high was counter intuitive to a healthy dream/wake cycle, I would stop getting high.
If you don't dream, what's the point of sleep.
Why get high if it make you not dream.
LOL
LOL
<Before retiring, decide on a person, time, and place you would like to visit in your lucid dream. The target person and place can be either real or imaginary, past, present, or future.>
The interwebs are great for that. Search for "huge tits round ass tall beautiful woman". Search engine usually comes up with lotsa nice things to remember as you go to bed with a thick indica buzz and a cookie in the belly.
Some might think that was an outdoor hybrid in the quotes...
LOL
<Before retiring, decide on a person, time, and place you would like to visit in your lucid dream. The target person and place can be either real or imaginary, past, present, or future.>
The interwebs are great for that. Search for "huge tits round ass tall beautiful woman". Search engine usually comes up with lotsa nice things to remember as you go to bed with a thick indica buzz and a cookie in the belly.
Some might think that was an outdoor hybrid in the quotes...
I dream EVERY night, but I get high every day, too. Like others, most of the time I can't remember them, but a common theme is WATER, be it large bodies or small. Another thing is people from my past come to me in my dreams. Folks I haven't seen in over thirty years.
@ Weird >>> try Ketamine ... it works wonders
Thanks for the suggestion. Thankfully to many substances, plants, people and practices I sleep pretty well and enjoy my dreams now. Don't often hear about my sleep trauma thought my kids are grown. I am no stranger to ketamine in formal and informal applications as well as psychedelics and most other substances. Most of the population would consider my use of these substances beyond reasonable in comparison to their own.
I am not denying the benefit of all those things but in the end the thing that really has seemed to help is buddhism, and now all these other things seem preparatory. My relationship with this plant is beyond ordinary and I do believe it preserved/healed me in such a way none of this would be possible.
This is why I made a commitment to keeping it in my life for others. What a long strange trip it is on the golden road to unlimited devotion and eternal love.
T
Teddybrae
Those are nice images on their own ... without any further need to dream.
Yeah, I agree mostly with all the previous posters and all the left brain stuff written above. But partaking or abstaining ... I dream if it is important to me. Most often dreams are a visual understanding for me.
You see, or rather I see, that dreams often lead me to Understanding. Understanding comes in to consciousness from outside. Understanding is not within us ... only the capacity to understand.
It is my experience Spirit will insist upon updating my Understanding whether or not I am currently toking.
