We Can Bring Down The Price Of Marijuana...TOGETHER!

[Sardonic]

edited in nov/23 - this is an IDEA. NOT A CONCRETE PLAN. I was high as hell when I wrote this. With that said, the main ideas behind this post still ring true.
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i added this bold section because i got tired of seeing the same post with the same arguments against this thread

The price of marijuana is ridiculous. Because of the state the market is in right now, medical marijuana users like myself have to pay top dollar$ for high potency strains -- now, the real issue with this is that people who really NEED that potency to help their illness can not afford to do so. Take my grandfather for example, he is an older man with health issues. He endures a lot of pain because of his chronic condition, and because of his chronic condition he can not work as much..because he can not work as much, he is barely managing to cover his bills to provide himself and my grandmother a home...Now, I KNOW medical MJ helps his pain, and I KNOW he needs something a bit stronger..something on that $60-80 shelf, but he surely can't afford it.

You can see the cycle here. There is no reason meds should be priced this way. OG Kush cost no more to grow than a low quality strain, thus, it should be priced the same.

yeah yeah, easy to say..but how do we bring about this change?

In my opinion, the state of America is humiliating. Americans have no sense of self, and because of that, they don't feel they have the power to make a difference. This is not true. The Government does not own your life, though they would fain convince you otherwise. They don't have the right to tell you what you can put in -- YOUR -- body. We can fight for are liberties here, guys. Don't be afraid.

Anyway..I digress. As far the seeds market go, I have very little respect for most of the breeders I have read about -- Mandala is an exception, you my friend are putting out quality work minus the 150% markup; I admire your compassion -- that is not to say, I don't respect the breeder's works. I understand the time and dedication that is put into developing those $120 for 10 seeds strains, and I appreciate it. However, why aren't these strains $15 dollars also? Do you think the community should pay more for a strain they enjoy more? Why? Why not elevate the bar? Why not have that $70 Kush strain be on the $40 dollar board? If we stop being so greedy, we can make it happen...

Well, what can I do?

For one, If you're a med patient, you can do what I'm doing to help bring about this change and become a caregiver. I have around 25 plants growing, all high quality strains that cost a fortune an Oz. I plan on being very compassionate with it. If people don't NEED to spend tons of money on MJ, they won't; and when people aren't spending tons of money on MJ..the prices will go down, and the quality will go up.
This is legal in california, so I hope I don't get in trouble about talking about this..anyway, i've exchanged some words with a few club owners, and guess what, some of them are actually kind hearted . They agreed with my opinions, and they said if they could get those same top quality strains for lower prices, they would sell them at lower prices...if you're a grower with high quality strains and a heart, i'm sure you can work the plan out for your self from here..co-ops get their medicine from growers they know, become one, and don't SELL your weed, get COMPENSATION for it..that is, we all have to pay for nutes, lights, etc. the patient's compensation should reflect this, however, it should not reflect your lust for obtaining more virtues.

Breed, Clone, Share: I am in love with this little plant of ours and I have already done hours of reading about Breeding (OCD LIKE WHAT ). In my quest for beautiful genetics, I will be GIVING away most of my seeds..yes, GIVING (this is not to say i'll be trading on IC). Now, the plan is to of course develop magnificent genetics so that these free seeds actually mean something and don't just go in the trash . Hopefully, the receivers of these will also breed, and the idea will catch on. YOU have the capability to improve the MJ world.

*If you can, share clones of good strains. An idea floating around right now is maybe making a Bonsai OG Kush(or insert most popular strain in your area) mother plant and releasing all the cuttings for free. 'cuz come on people, it cost you NO money to clip your plant. stop selling these things for $20 bucks

and how exactly will this change anything?

Know your history, kids! Let us use my example about clone sharing..

let's say I went around making deals with club owners to GIVE AWAY the top quality clones & seeds I gave them. Of course, there will be a few club owners who will be too greedy to endorse this idea; however, if the clubs that did endorse this idea -- be it even ONE -- there would most certainly be a burst in influx of business (who wouldn't line up for free top quality strains?); thus taking away from the greedy man's business, and they would of course have to adapt. It's the way the free market works.

bah..i hope I got my point across.

 

[Guest]

"You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to Sardonic again."

 

[Guest]

"OG Kush cost no more to grow than a low quality strain, thus, it should be priced the same. "

Thats funny, in my experiance it costs allot more to grow strains that don't yeild

It's actually better to grow a strain like m39 it may not be the most potent, but at least we can grow enough for everyone.

 

[Sardonic]

hehe..It's the thought that counts, Baja

i fixed some misspellings and what not in that post. i'm smoking NYCD, so i get a little silly in my typing, however, that in no way reflects the sincerity of my posts.

i hope people read this and take it seriously. WE CAN MAKE A DIFFERENCE.
shit, I CAN MAKE A DIFFERENCE, with or without your help. it's just a lot easier with it.

 

[Guest]

good post sardonic, it almost should be required reading

 

[Sardonic]

"OG Kush cost no more to grow than a low quality strain, thus, it should be priced the same. "

Thats funny, in my experiance it costs allot more to grow strains that don't yeild

It's actually better to grow a strain like m39 it may not be the most potent, but at least we can grow enough for everyone.

you get rep just for reading my mind

when i was writing that part you quoted up, i said to myself "I bet some ass hat says it cost more cuz OG yeilds less " lol..no offense by the 'asshat' comment either

I'm currently growing OG Kush, and it hasn't cost me anymore than my other plants to grow...

you may get less yeild off a strain..but i don't see how that would make the strain cost more to grow.

also, that address part of my 'breed, clone, share' rant..BREED. og is really potent but doesn't yield that much? no big deal! BREED until you find the plant that suits your needs, and in doing this -- and sharing that plant -- you have now helped the community.

 

[Guest]

lol your to funny , EVER hear of GPW Comerical strains such as m39 can get 2lbs pluss in less than 3 months, now with og you can get about an 1lb MAX in that time in SOG.

m39 2lbs / cost + Markup = More smoke less cost
OG 1lbs / Cost + Markup = More cost less smoke

I agree we need to get people of the hype and onto good overall strains such as FFA (FREE FOR ALL) (MSSxOG-A) only conditions that come with this clone is you must share it for free

Unfortuatly economics applies to pot in the above situation The only way to win is to overgrow the goverment ...

Same things apply to organic's and chem nutes, get less cost more, get more cost less.

 

[Guest]

And also most growers are willing to let there crops go for cheap (2.5k a lb in cali outdoor) the cost to patients goes up double due to clubs, middle men, and the cost of overhead.

 

[Sardonic]

lol your to funny , EVER hear of GPW Comerical strains such as m39 can get 2lbs pluss in less than 3 months, now with og you can get about an 1lb MAX in that time in SOG.

m39 2lbs / cost + Markup = More smoke less cost
OG 1lbs / Cost + Markup = More cost less smoke

I agree we need to get people of the hype and onto good overall strains such as FFA (FREE FOR ALL) (MSSxOG-A) only conditions that come with this clone is you must share it for free

Unfortuatly economics applies to pot in the above situation The only way to win is to overgrow the goverment ...

Same things apply to organic's and chem nutes, get less cost more, get more cost less.

I'm not comprehending the point you're trying to convey with the OG/m39 comparison. There are so many MJ strains, and with that, practically limitless combinations. What do I care about OG Kush? I was merely using it as an example since I see it's very pricey in clubs.

You speak as if 'overgrowing' the government would be hard. You speak from the mentality that I speak against -- that is, a mentality of worthlessness (at least, in my opinion). Where is the sense of self? What is this hopelessness that plagues people today?
Ultimately, yes, things would be easiest that way -- that is the end goal, mind you (one not too out of reach with Ron Paul running). However, until then, what? Be prisoners.

I will not waste my breath. People have always waited for someone else to speak first. I will speak first. I will make a difference. you can try to help or not man, it don't matter much to me

i am very interested in this FFA clone..

 

[panopticist]

Is this discussion limited to Medical Marijuana only, or are you pushing for lower prices in general, medical or not?

 

[Sardonic]

Is this discussion limited to Medical Marijuana only, or are you pushing for lower prices in general medical or not?

I am pushing for lower prices, and better quality in general.

I am only speaking on medical marijuana prices because that's how I obtain my MJ.

However, I do think medical marijuana facilities will work as a HUGE help in this ideal of mine..

i mean, it's a way to legally give out clones and seeds and get people growing. more growers = drop on mj prices. one of the huge reasons MJ cost so much is because of it's lack of availability.

compassion clubs can change this.

 

[iseankimi]

Even if you grow high end herb that yields less than other herb, I still think it's a bit unreasonable to charge so much more. Around my area, a gram of high-end kush costs anywhere from $20-25, and sometimes even $30. A gram of a very, very decent strain, such as GDP, Trainwreck, WW, costs $15 a gram.

If I were to arrange a plan to lower the prices of high-end strains, it would go something like this (keep in mind that my idea is ideal and virtually impossible in our dog-eat-dog society):

People who grow high-end herb like Kush, Sensi Star, Jack Herer, Diesel, etc. fill their grow areas with nothing but high-end herb. After a harvest, there will be plenty of seeds for the next season and plenty leftover for distribution. These growers should give their extra seeds to other growers known to grow schwag under the condition that they don't grow any more schwag and that they give extra seeds from next season to another schwag grower. This grower will start growing that same high-end herb the next season and the cycle will continue. This will never work if it starts with one grower, but it is quite feasible if most or all of the high-end growers would just do it. Within 4-5 seasons, everyone around would be growing medical-quality herb in their gardens. If everyone is growing high-end herb and there is no longer schwag, prices would drop significantly. Kush would be going around for DP or at most $15/gram.

Like I said, this is in an ideal market situation. Because of man's greed, it'll never happen. You can analyze and say this and that explaining why this plan will never work, but in the end the only reason we can't live in that kind of community is because of man's greed, nothing else.

The REAL ideal situation would be us growing our own bomb bud in our backyards and closets. The only way the marijuana community could be perfect is if we took the money entirely out of the picture. If bud were legal and we were all self-sufficient growers, man...it'd be heaven on earth.

Too bad, nothing I said will happen in the near future.

 

[MoeBudz^420]

to Sardonic. This is the true path to freedom...

Peace

 

[Guest]

I did the math in my head recently - marijuana is not overpriced at the $4000 a pound range for top quality indoor. Outdoor marijuana should be vastly cheaper, would be a better argument.

When you consider inflation that is going on right now in the USA, and the risk everywhere but california, you should be grateful to the supplier who will sell top quality buds for 250-350 an oz. Expensive it is, like everything but overpriced? No way. These plants do not grow themselves.

One thing you are forgetting is things like OG kush take 10+weeks. If your standard 4000 pound of I dunno let's say Romulan - very good high quality 8 week strain - Then a 10 week strain of better potency or effect should be 5000. The time involved should make a difference all things being equal.

then u say this
"The REAL ideal situation would be us growing our own bomb bud in our backyards and closets. The only way the marijuana community could be perfect is if we took the money entirely out of the picture. If bud were legal and we were all self-sufficient growers, man...it'd be heaven on earth."


that would be great, but how are we going to pay rent, electric bills and live. If we could eat air and pay rent in farts it would work.

 

[Guest]

DP is pretty dear of a cost for buds. . . You're gonna take it in both ends for a gram of kush?

haha

 

[threeeleven]

Excellent post Sardonic

 

[THCzr]

until you grow it yourself , you have no room to bitch about how others do. and if you can't grow enough to keep yourself smoking, it's nobodys fault but your own.

it's your own fault you still have to buy.

THC

 

[Cannabeard]

I agree, greed has no place.
However, it is the black cloud that cover this blessed plant. Greed from the dealers, greed from the petrochemical companies that don't want Hemp available to the masses, greed from the politicians that accept the billions of dollars from these companies, and greed from our system that make billions a year in this fallacy of a war, not on drugs, but on Cannabis. If we can breed the greed out, we can fill that void with positivity and compassion.

Replace the GREED with WEED and we will all benefit.

You fight the good fight man, and hopefully others will follow and the market will be as you say. Better for those who truly are in need.

Stay safe, keep it green, and fly free.....

Cannabeard

 

[Sardonic]

that would be great, but how are we going to pay rent, electric bills and live. If we could eat air and pay rent in farts it would work.

DP is pretty dear of a cost for buds. . . You're gonna take it in both ends for a gram of kush?

 

[NiteTiger]

I am pushing for lower prices, and better quality in general.

Utopia always sounds great

However, in the general population, it's not going to happen.

In medical, if you want the cost down in the medical market, you need to work on getting it reclassified under federal law, so insurance companies can pay for it, and it can be grown without fear of losing your life.

Giving stuff away to most Clubs isn't going to change anything - they'll still charge what they can get. Sure, some would drop prices, but that doesn't affect anything beyond that club, unless you've got a bunch in the same small geographic area.