Wax Is Weed’s Next Big Thing And No One Knows If It’s Safe

[m314]

i understand there are special situations where someone needs this stuff. but the impression i got from dabbing is more like chugging beer at a frat party.

less carcinogens also works with vaping. and people who need huge amounts should probably try edibles first before investing into a big "upper-class-crack-rig".

Edibles don't work as well for some people. They're great for me, but some people don't seem to digest and absorb them the same way.

Vaping bud is awesome. Vaping oil is faster and easier once your tolerance gets over a certain level. I've known a couple guys with chronic pain who built up a high tolerance from using it for pain relief. One dab gets them high in a few seconds compared to a few minutes if they were using a bud vaporizer.

For people who want to get high and have fun, what's wrong with it? THC is healthier and better in every way than chugging beer at a frat party. What's bad about getting really really high? Eating candy and taking a nap isn't the worst thing that could happen.

 

[quokka]

Some people get bad anxiety and freak out, and it can be very easy to grossly over endulge using super concentrates, that's one other scenario........

 

[m314]

Some people get bad anxiety and freak out, and it can be very easy to grossly over endulge using super concentrates, that's one other scenario........

Well, yeah. I meant there's nothing wrong with experienced stoners getting really high on purpose. Dabs can be scary for people who don't have much experience.

I had a 3 day "bad trip" the first time I tried edibles. I felt terrible and too high for literally 3 days. Eating the whole batch of brownies wasn't the best idea. I learned to respect edibles and be careful with them. At least with a dab, a newbie might freak out but not be too high for that long.

 

[Ribsauce]

Hmmm

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i understand there are special situations where someone needs this stuff. but the impression i got from dabbing is more like chugging beer at a frat party.

less carcinogens also works with vaping. and people who need huge amounts should probably try edibles first before investing into a big "upper-class-crack-rig".

I haven't posted here in a while and I LOVE IC it helped make me what who I am today... That being said I see arrogance still abounds

 

[floralheart]

In the 80's it was called angel dust. Now they call angel dust, kief. Or... dry sift hash.


I thought about asking the dispensary for some angel dust, just to see their face when I say the words...

 

[ronbo51]

i wouldn't do bho just because there is so much room for contaminates due to the sketchy nature of the people making it. The latest news out of Colorado with pesticides, fungicides, other desperate measures taken by growers to salvage crops just lends itself to subpar products making their way into the consumer stream. Fuck that. Once these Indian mega grows get going, including many on the east coast things are going to change quite a bit. Eventually THC will be sold in liter bottles and companies will make their products like edibles, e-liquid. Whole greenhouses will be pulled and processed in a day using co2 extraction to make the clear concentrate. Terpenes will be added back in. Exact cbd/thc blends will be offered along with flavor/smell profiles to give consumers what they want. No more drying, no more trimmers, just pull the plants and run them through the system. Products will be vaped through ecig pens. Young people will not grow up smoking. The old ways fade away. You can see how out in Cali they have cleared the decks of small growers in the county ordinances that have passed. Now the big money can safely swoop in and clean up the mess. Small growers will be pushed out by pricing because they will not be able to afford the proper equipment or the low prices of finished products. When weed is grown by the acre what do you think the price will be? Look at it this way, we were recently offered pure CBD. 99.9% pure crystals. The price is 65K/liter. We did the math. We could produce 450K of products. A liter of THC would be at least that much finished value. We are in a very unfriendly state and even though our legal team says we can do it and other people are selling CBD products we got scared and put the whole project on hold. BUT the numbers are there. The DAY it's legal we go forward. We sell 50,000 bottles of eliquid a week. Just one little local company tucked away in some southern city. That's the future, I believe. Not BHO.

 

[Weird]

As I stated in an earlier post I hate oiling flowers but I sure as shit oil my trim.

I started making oil with ethanol with heat and under pressure in the early 90's. When I came online in 08' I was posting pics of oil (full pull ethanol). Oil has very real medicinal value.

 

[Weird]

i wouldn't do bho just because there is so much room for contaminates due to the sketchy nature of the people making it. The latest news out of Colorado with pesticides, fungicides, other desperate measures taken by growers to salvage crops just lends itself to subpar products making their way into the consumer stream. Fuck that. Once these Indian mega grows get going, including many on the east coast things are going to change quite a bit. Eventually THC will be sold in liter bottles and companies will make their products like edibles, e-liquid. Whole greenhouses will be pulled and processed in a day using co2 extraction to make the clear concentrate. Terpenes will be added back in. Exact cbd/thc blends will be offered along with flavor/smell profiles to give consumers what they want. No more drying, no more trimmers, just pull the plants and run them through the system. Products will be vaped through ecig pens. Young people will not grow up smoking. The old ways fade away. You can see how out in Cali they have cleared the decks of small growers in the county ordinances that have passed. Now the big money can safely swoop in and clean up the mess. Small growers will be pushed out by pricing because they will not be able to afford the proper equipment or the low prices of finished products. When weed is grown by the acre what do you think the price will be? Look at it this way, we were recently offered pure CBD. 99.9% pure crystals. The price is 65K/liter. We did the math. We could produce 450K of products. A liter of THC would be at least that much finished value. We are in a very unfriendly state and even though our legal team says we can do it and other people are selling CBD products we got scared and put the whole project on hold. BUT the numbers are there. The DAY it's legal we go forward. We sell 50,000 bottles of eliquid a week. Just one little local company tucked away in some southern city. That's the future, I believe. Not BHO.

I can appreciate the over all vision, but not the totality or the perceived benefit.

It is simply monopolizing the last decent low and middle class income source and funneling the dollars to the 1%.

Best part about this is bigger money is going to gobble up the part of the market you think you will make all your money in.

The Indian nations will not require a chain of manufacturing and distribution to market their product and dilute their profits or bigger money will pre pay them contractually over a term for all their potential production.

The reality is most people still suck so much at growing that people prefer concentrates.

My weed cuts through concentrates, my weed is a pleasure to smoke.

Most weed is not.

That is the real fucking joke here, no one can produce tops consistently that are a real PLEASURE to smoke. And I do mean pleasure.

I wouldn't smoke most peoples pot based on the high nitrogen level at harvest. Every little nuance ends up having a real ramification at the end of harvest and all those insurances people use to get top quantity (over feeding, pesticides, fungicides, etc) all take away from the art of quality smoke.

If it doesn't smoke really nice as a flower, some one fucked up growing it to be smoke. It is that simple.

Smoking flowers does not degrade your health, smoking contaminants does, and in the end concentrates including rosin won't remove them.

You don't need to purify a non toxic plant to remove toxins and the fact that is part of your argument is logically faulty.

Can't begrudge the Indian nations at the opportunity to empower themselves using nature. This is a huge opportunity for them to open the native spiritual floodgates using marijuana, the potential is there.

They could also simply profit from it, in a sustainable manner, which they could use and deserve.

The plant is an organism in and of itself which still has an unseen and untapped potential. One that we can use to our benefit or one that can be lost to us if we decide to embrace it in the wrong manner.

 

[snake11]

i understand there are special situations where someone needs this stuff. but the impression i got from dabbing is more like chugging beer at a frat party.

less carcinogens also works with vaping. and people who need huge amounts should probably try edibles first before investing into a big "upper-class-crack-rig".

Edibles effect the body much stronger then smoking. Oil that is eaten is metabolized by the liver it is turned into 11 hydroxy THC which is a much more psychoactive chemical. Just because dabbing isn't for you doesn't mean folks shouldn't use it. That is a rather close minded view.


http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/11-Hydroxy-THC

 

[snake11]

In the 80's it was called angel dust. Now they call angel dust, kief. Or... dry sift hash.


I thought about asking the dispensary for some angel dust, just to see their face when I say the words...

If you go around asking for angel dust you are going to be in a world of trouble. I have never heard kief called angel dust. Normally PCP is called angel dust.

 

[ChaosCatalunya]

A good read, thanks chunkypigs.

For a journalist that was a well written and pretty balanced article, I would like to read more about the stories of the other players in the extraction world in legal States.

Lots of distraction and drama caused by egos and greed for money and fame, but from it all hopefully we can get some serious information and progress forwards sharing information about how to make better, safer products. That is what is important.

Interesting too, how a herbal flower, made illegal for supposed health reasons, is so widely known amongst us for not being harmful, and yet here we are passionately arguing about details of purification processes in case one is possibly slightly harmful.... Yet thousands of lives are still being ruined and ended just by the prohibition of Cannabis.

 

[quokka]

Edibles effect the body much stronger then smoking. Oil that is eaten is metabolized by the liver it is turned into 11 hydroxy THC which is a much more psychoactive chemical. Just because dabbing isn't for you doesn't mean folks shouldn't use it. That is a rather close minded view.


http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/11-Hydroxy-THC

Great post.

I never had a clue about that......

Sort of explains why i had such ridiculous effects from edibles, blacking out etc. but never had similar effects from smoking.

Thanks.

 

[CoCoSativas]

I still prefer a bud or some dry sift...I tried the butane thing when it first came out and did it for like 2 years ....not for me anymore ..stick to bud and skuff....no fancy tools needed either.....yeehaw

Yeah im the same way. Originally I just smoked dope (flowers) and made sift. I did bho a few times, but stopped because I figured its probably not good to blast everyday

Earlier this year I got into wax, I got a pretty good hookup. I never reallly questioned if its safe... It tastes and hits very clean, and the guy who makes it spent alot of money on gear and is a trainned chemist. I dont buy it all the time anymore like I was, and after readin this idont think I would.

Bud, ice hash, dry sift, they are safe. I might just go back to only doing them because by nature they are alot safer. I preffer the taste anyway, as well as the history behind the old traditional methods.

I guess its not as scary for us growers because we know whats on our trim, in our bud... Its a little more worrisome for casual smokers buying random concentrates in rndom places.

 

[CoCoSativas]

Great post.

I never had a clue about that......

Sort of explains why i had such ridiculous effects from edibles, blacking out etc. but never had similar effects from smoking.

Thanks.

I did some brownies with my ex back in 2013. It was our second night together, and she wanted to make vrownies with some of her weed. Her shit is potent.

Anyway she ate like a 2 square inche piece of it. When we went to bed, I made her happy then she goes to go to sleep. She bolted up in bed and was like "I need to go to the hospital"... I was like no you dont and then proceeded to calm her down for a hour.

It was wild. I met her online, talked for months, when I got there it was pretty awesome, we had a great time. Then that happened. Second night there. Haha it was pretty messed up but I got her through it and she was OK.

After that she only ate tiny pieces of brownie During my weeklong visit. She thought I was going to die when I ate half a pan. I just laughed uncontrollably but was fine. One of the best highs ever it felt like I was on something. I also smoke dope all day everyday and grow some potent shit, im like 6 feet 180 at the time.. Shes this little 5'2 100 pound bombshell who smokes week like twice a week.

Yeah smaller people who smoke less can sure get nuts fucked up off eating... I bet if I had more than I did, that half pan I might have thought I needed to go to the hospital.

 

[Apache Kush]

I ate a big ass dispo cookie the other night..
The whole liver effects had me fucked up, I thought I had a higher tolerance but was flying high hoooo bro!

I never feel that way from smoking any more!

but I never really eat edibles on regular basis so I have little to no tolerance right now in my life.
I actually had a vodka drink too at dinner fyi but ok so...

later that night at like 3am I wake up on the couch...
I got a hot flash and the spins like I was going to to be sick,

I knew I had to get up and eat something but did not want to stand up
all at once because I felt like I would pass out and felt light headed weak..

I ate some food and diluted it down and felt fine in like 10 minutes..
now I see how people over do it with the edibles..im 5'11 ~230 so not a small frame

 

[flashlight]

Edibles don't work as well for some people. They're great for me, but some people don't seem to digest and absorb them the same way.

Vaping bud is awesome. Vaping oil is faster and easier once your tolerance gets over a certain level. I've known a couple guys with chronic pain who built up a high tolerance from using it for pain relief. One dab gets them high in a few seconds compared to a few minutes if they were using a bud vaporizer.

For people who want to get high and have fun, what's wrong with it? THC is healthier and better in every way than chugging beer at a frat party. What's bad about getting really really high? Eating candy and taking a nap isn't the worst thing that could happen.

right on man, to each his own. I dab from sun up to sun down and put in long days on the farm. I have many strains to choose from depending on my needs at the time, for pain or sleep aid... I also consume edibles, mostly at night to keep me from constantly waking up. Concentrates are what you make them, for me they are medicine and just what i need. To others with lower tolerances they may be too much, find your own way and let others do the same- cheers

 

[stoned-trout]

iso,water hash or dry sift..if a day ever comes that aint enough I will break out a crack pipe ...lol...yeehaw.fancy stuff with even more fancy gear ..sells well to stoners...