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Watch out! Synthetic marijuana!

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Sativa Dragon

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Good place for the Chinese to make Chemicals, not like they are buying up houses to make grow ops, You see the world is a large place Chinese Chemists don't "HAVE" to Work from China.

It would make more sense to set up a lab closer to the Morons that smoke this poison. And you will gladly pay them.

Here is some reading on your "reputable" company

The same one featured on Drugs inc. says the same thing.

http://www.fda.gov/ICECI/EnforcementActions/WarningLetters/ucm199802.htm

Cayman Chemical Helps Law Enforcement Fight K2 [MI]
10 June 2012 - freep.com


It's a game of cat and mouse.

Scientists at Ann Arbor-based Cayman Chemical are using their expertise to help law enforcement officials as they try to address the rising problem of synthetic drugs such as K2 and Spice.

First, chemists -- many based in China -- create new formulas used in the drugs. Then Cayman's chemists determine what chemicals have been changed to evade the law and share their findings with law enforcement in Michigan and nationwide.

"It's this never-ending treadmill," said company President Dr. Kirk Maxey. "It's the cat chasing the mouse." It's important work, say law enforcement officials. In Michigan and nationwide, laws have been enacted to ban some chemicals used to make synthetic marijuana, but experts say manufacturers simply skirt the laws by changing the formulas.

In the past week alone, municipalities in Michigan have been passing measures to prohibit the sale of synthetic marijuana in their communities, and new state legislation is pending. The drugs -- with brand names like K2 and Spice -- are being blamed for hospitalizations, psychotic behavior and other problems.
Small samples

As synthetic marijuana became available online, at some gas stations and in stores within the last four years, Cayman Chemical began developing reference standards -- or highly purified small samples of chemicals.

Those are used by the Michigan State Police Crime Lab and other labs across the country to test and identify chemicals used in synthetic marijuana and bath salts. Cayman Chemical, which Maxey founded more than 30 years ago, also provides its products to researchers studying the drugs' effects on the body.

"We recognized there was a need," said Greg Endres, vice president of chemistry at Cayman Chemical. "It falls right in line with our expertise."

The company and its more than 60 chemists spent years working with cannabinoids used by scientists who research pain management, obesity and appetite stimulation for drug researchers prior to the Spice epidemic. So when chemists began using a similar science to come up with K2 and Spice -- which is smoked to get high -- Cayman's scientists understood it.

"We knew we could help the forensics community," said Paul Kennedy, director of analytical chemistry at Cayman Chemical.
Saving money

The Michigan State Police Crime Lab and the Drug Enforcement Administration are among those that rely on Cayman's work.

"If we couldn't purchase standards, we wouldn't be able to make the identification," said State Police Crime Lab forensic scientist Kyle Ann Hoskins. "That is a necessity."

Prosecutors use those results to determine whether a substance is illegal.

Government agencies say they save money by purchasing the products from a private company.

"Why reinvent the wheel by making something that's already available to purchase?" asked DEA spokeswoman Barbara Carreno. "We do our own testing using these reference standard chemicals that we buy."

Cayman officials said they are careful not to sell their products to people whose intention is to make them available for abuse.

That work is just one part of Cayman Chemical's business; most of its revenue comes from non-crime-related drug developments, Maxey said. "We're a little bit public service-minded in doing this," Maxey said. "If I was a real hard-nosed, money-grubbing entrepreneur, I wouldn't be in this."

Cayman's employees, many of whom have children, realize the impact of their jobs.

"The work I do here will help law enforcement get these things off the street," scientist Rob Schelkun said. "And hopefully educate people that this is dangerous stuff."
Dangerous effects

"The dangers of synthetic marijuana include rapid heart rate, vomiting, agitation, seizures, paranoia, loss of physical control and hallucinations."

"Associating the drug with marijuana is a mistake, many familiar with the products warn, because the synthetic cannabinoids used in the products have different effects than THC, the active ingredient in marijuana. K2 and Spice are made of plant material sprayed with a chemical that gets a person high".

In recent weeks, people said to be on the drug have been linked to violent crimes and deaths, including the May 26 overdose death of an 18-year-old in Bloomfield Township; the May 18 death of Jonathan Hoffman, 17, of West Bloomfield, who police say was shot to death by his grandmother, and the April 16 attack on the Cipriano family in Farmington Hills that has led to charges against Tucker Cipriano, 19, and Mitchell Young, 20.

"The dangerous scary thing about synthetic marijuana is although it kind of traffics under the guise of pot ... it isn't pot and it's not safe,"
Maxey said


Even the reputable company is working with the cops to get the Chinese chems off the street, I am sure that will help them corner the market.

What a Corrupt corporate scam.

All the idiots are breeding

Peace
 
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m314

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It's funny how often seemingly intelligent people resort to name calling and personal insults when presented with a point of view different than their own. Something about online communication tends to bring about this phenomenon. I doubt any of us act that way in our daily lives.
 

stihgnobevoli

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the Chinese have seen fit to poison our children with deadly chemicals used in the manufacture of toys, the Chinese have been killing our pets with poisonous dog & cat treats, have a look @ what the Chinese feed to farm raised fish & shrimp bound for the US (& elsewhere) markets, sewage.

anyone who thinks that shit is OK to smoke is a moron, I ain't naming names or pointin' my finger @ anyone here, but only a moron would think that shit is OK to smoke.


reputable? high Chinese manufacture standards??? HA!!!
listen up you racist characters, the chinese aren't doing anything to you, ITS THE GREEDY AMERICAN CORPORATIONS WHO ARE SKIRTING LAWS BY MANUFACTURING SHIT IN CHINA FOR THE CHEAPEST PRICES POISONS BE DAMNED.

jesus enough. it's not the chinese people's fault its the greedy overlord masters same as it's always been, if germany was willing to do whatever needed to be done at the lowest price point all your shit would say made in germany and still be just as full of lead and poison.
 

stihgnobevoli

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i see you busy scare mongering again and imma let you finish. but i thought i would leave this here for you.

It has been suggested that marijuana is at the root of many mental disorders, including acute toxic psychosis, panic attacks (one of the very conditions it is being used experimentally to treat), flashbacks, delusions, depersonalization, hallucinations, paranoia, depression, and uncontrollable aggressiveness.

nope not side effects of "spice" aka scary chinese chemicals its the side effects of WEED.

http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/evidence99/marijuana/Health_1.html

so there you have it folks don't smoke weed because...

Sativa Dragon said:
"The dangers...include rapid heart rate, vomiting, agitation, seizures, paranoia, loss of physical control and hallucinations."
 

Stoner4Life

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the Chinese have seen fit to poison our children with deadly chemicals used in the manufacture of toys, the Chinese have been killing our pets with poisonous dog & cat treats, have a look @ what the Chinese feed to farm raised fish & shrimp bound for the US (& elsewhere) markets, sewage.

anyone who thinks that shit is OK to smoke is a moron, I ain't naming names or pointin' my finger @ anyone here, but only a moron would think that shit is OK to smoke.


reputable? high Chinese manufacture standards??? HA!!!



listen up you racist characters, the chinese aren't doing anything to you, ITS THE GREEDY AMERICAN CORPORATIONS WHO ARE SKIRTING LAWS BY MANUFACTURING SHIT IN CHINA FOR THE CHEAPEST PRICES POISONS BE DAMNED.

jesus enough. it's not the chinese people's fault its the greedy overlord masters same as it's always been, if germany was willing to do whatever needed to be done at the lowest price point all your shit would say made in germany and still be just as full of lead and poison.

racist???????

you calling me racist?

I merely quoted FACT about Chinese exports to our country & you pull out the race card, very typical, when you can no longer make a valid point in a debate you try to muddy the waters by pointing your petty little finger @ me and claiming racism. nice try, but I ain't buyin'!!!

My post was in response to others claiming that Chinese standards of manufacture were held in high regards & safety. I claim BULLSHIT!!! and I have the proof of their history on my side of this.


Americans want/demand SAFETY first, not price as you claim.





 
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bombadil.360

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spice may affect the same receptors as cannabis does, but the overall effects are surely not the same; there's really no debate about it.

a good analogy to illustrate this is that if you drink two table spoons of palm oil your stomach and liver will be affected by it, just as if you drank the same two table spoons of extra virgin olive oil; both may affect the same organs, but as a matter of fact, the resulting overall effects are far from the same; even though both are oils.

and we can go on and on with similar analogies: smoking tobacco vs. cannabis, both are smoke, both go into the lungs, but the effects are not the same.

etc... etc... etc...


my two cents.

peace
 

bombadil.360

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also, imo, to each their own, if you like to smoke spice, so be it, enjoy it.

to me it is like choosing to eat margarine when you have real butter available though...
 

stihgnobevoli

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racist???????

you calling me racist?




Americans want/demand SAFETY first, not price as you claim.






a.) don't recall naming any names, if i quoted you specifically it was just because you were the last one to mention chinese people and their "deadly chemicals" it's the same chemicals no matter where they make em so i dunno why you guys keep mentioning chinese people specifically as the cause of all your woes.

b.) then why the fuck is everything made in china? and not switzerland?
 

Stoner4Life

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why mention China???

because if I'm reading this thread right that's where this synthetic weed is being made. plain & simple, I ain't racist & am judging the product (not the people) based on their track record.


probably because the Swiss have zero interest in meeting American needs.


 
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bombadil.360

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factoid of the day:

the best and most expensive Swiss chocolate is made with cacao from Venezuela (cacao criollo), and premium Swiss Milk.

usually has lower sugar content than your average chocolate too.

I'll take quality Swiss Chocolate over spice btw.

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I'll take Colombian Corinto bud and a nice hut in Chuao too:

Chuao_2012_001.jpg
 

Jericho Mile

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Such a heated discussion...really? To spice or not to spice...as long as you have the choice. I really don't care what people sell or where it comes from...it's no different than the garbage most citizens put in their stomachs (approved by the FDA). It's all the same...and even then I say: it's your choice..and as long as it stays at choice...I'm good.

some of you sound like regulators
 

Sativa Dragon

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i see you busy scare mongering again and imma let you finish. but i thought i would leave this here for you.

It has been suggested that marijuana is at the root of many mental disorders, including acute toxic psychosis, panic attacks (one of the very conditions it is being used experimentally to treat), flashbacks, delusions, depersonalization, hallucinations, paranoia, depression, and uncontrollable aggressiveness.

nope not side effects of "spice" aka scary chinese chemicals its the side effects of WEED.

http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/evidence99/marijuana/Health_1.html

so there you have it folks don't smoke weed because...

That article is not scholarly, it is more than 6 years old, the home page no longer exists. You totally took a sentence out of context they were referring to already mentally ill patience not normal healthy people, huge difference.

I understand why you left out the part that mentioned the affected people were already mental patients.

Re read your own evidence except this time read slower and comprehend the following.



MENTAL HEALTH, BRAIN FUNCTION, AND MEMORY

It has been "suggested" , not proven, that marijuana is at the root of many mental disorders, including acute toxic psychosis, panic attacks (one of the very conditions it is being used experimentally to treat), flashbacks, delusions, depersonalization, hallucinations, paranoia, depression, and uncontrollable aggressiveness. Marijuana has long been known to trigger attacks of mental illness, such as bipolar (manic-depressive) psychosis and schizophrenia. This connection with mental illness should make health care providers for "terminally ill patients and the patients themselves", not normal people patients, who may already be suffering from some form of clinical depression, weigh very carefully the pros and cons of adopting a "therapeutic course of marijuana". Not a course of Spice or synthetics, but a therapeutic course , as suggesting Cannbis has a value in the medical community.

Nice try though

Peace
 
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Sativa Dragon

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Such a heated discussion...really? To spice or not to spice...as long as you have the choice. I really don't care what people sell or where it comes from...it's no different than the garbage most citizens put in their stomachs (approved by the FDA). It's all the same...and even then I say: it's your choice..and as long as it stays at choice...I'm good.

some of you sound like regulators

Personal choice is fine I have nothing against anybody doing anything as long as it does not harm anyone else.

Advocating for a substance that is untested unapproved, made in Chinese laboratories under the cover all disclaimer not for human consumption is ethically and morally wrong.

It endangers the health and well being of our children.

Go blow your brains out with it for all I care, but do not make it available for our children.

Peace
 

Jericho Mile

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Personal choice is fine I have nothing against anybody doing anything as long as it does not harm anyone else.

Advocating for a substance that is untested unapproved, made in Chinese laboratories under the cover all disclaimer not for human consumption is ethically and morally wrong.

It endangers the health and well being of our children.

Go blow your brains out with it for all I care, but do not make it available for our children.

Peace

Always the children thing. The end of discussion. When all else fails...let's do it for the next generation.

In the meantime...mom and pops take them to dinner at In and Out...or Denny's....then buy the entire family toxic products from Cost Co..that were made in China...for the sake of bulk cheapness

...then go home and flip on the latest Drugs Inc...or whichever other shock program is scheduled...and get their dose of sensationalism/fear mongering/propaganda

Is spice really that big of a deal? Are the statistics and understanding....overwhelmingly destructive?...or is it isolated cases...where but few out of many...have actually been negatively affected?

so out of few...we sensationalize the many. Perfect
 

farmdalefurr

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not really sure, never saw the stuff in person

I think people smash the shit up like coke and snort it

who knows though

stuff will really fry your brain though. saw an intervention episode where a dude was hooked on the stuff

talk about whacked out, wow
 
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