Excellent jimmy, you nailed it. Most of us knew what I-502 would lead to.
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Excellent jimmy, you nailed it. Most of us knew what I-502 would lead to.
WARNING!!!!! READ THE LAWS YOUR VOTING FOR
WARNING!!!!! READ THE LAWS YOUR VOTING FOR
Let this be a warning to all in California that just want to "Get It Done." Make sure you know what you are voting for. I would hate for something like this to happen in California, because all that kill that you grown to love will be just ehh, if money gets a hold of our canna business. It needs to be regulated similar to how wine is. Any other law I don't see working for us workin folks.
Everytime I see a new thread about WA my heart drops. My heart goes out to my Canna brothers an sisters out there
. Keep strong an make sure to get out an be heard. The rest of the world is watching an the pockets are too to see where the ball lands.
Lets keep it in our court.
WARNING!!!!! READ THE LAWS YOUR VOTING FOR
Let this be a warning to all in California that just want to "Get It Done." Make sure you know what you are voting for. I would hate for something like this to happen in California, because all that kill that you grown to love will be just ehh, if money gets a hold of our canna business. It needs to be regulated similar to how wine is. Any other law I don't see working for us workin folks.
Everytime I see a new thread about WA my heart drops. My heart goes out to my Canna brothers an sisters out there
. Keep strong an make sure to get out an be heard. The rest of the world is watching an the pockets are too to see where the ball lands.Lets keep it in our court.
jimmyd42
Member
I am not allowed to post in the news section for whatever reason so I will just attach it here:
There is an article in the Seattle Times today explaining the bills that are currently with the legislature
http://seattletimes.com/html/localnews/2023026447_medicalbillsxml.html?prmid=4939
There is something I was wondering about this article, in the graphic it says, collective gardens are left untouched until 2015, does that include all the dispensaries and farmers markets in Seattle?
There is an article in the Seattle Times today explaining the bills that are currently with the legislature
http://seattletimes.com/html/localnews/2023026447_medicalbillsxml.html?prmid=4939
There is something I was wondering about this article, in the graphic it says, collective gardens are left untouched until 2015, does that include all the dispensaries and farmers markets in Seattle?
Its absolutely disgusting whats being proposed in WA. Every single article i read says the same thing these money grubbin biches are crying......"i want them to run out of their 3 ounce supply an buy the rest from us if they need more." For some reason they feel spending 400 a zip is equal to homegrown costs........huh? Sub par 400 zips at that.
Things are gonna get ugly if they try an pull this.
R
rbt
Arizona. is using zoning by local municipalities to keep the profiteers dispensaries in business. In AZ $420.00 is common for a Z and being so close to the border and the prices they are getting THERE!. Everyone from the grower trimmer to weed tender see this and human nature prevails I want more. My question is where the balance between affordable self care or non affordable high THC edibles that I don't want, there is no monies for the dispensaries to grow CBD Critical Mass or Charlottes Web. I offered the strain and they refused. Soon we will see the WalTarK-mart supplying oils, tinctures, edibles and the strains will be a memory.
If you grow a few packs of seeds of most strains, you'll see a difference in effects. Out of 9 female Twilight plants, I found one that worked really well in capsule form for getting a good night's sleep. Out of 20 Sweet Tooth plants, I found 3 that gave me a unique "happy" feeling that's hard to describe. One of those plants is a better antidepressant than Prozac or Zoloft. Out of 9 Sensi Star plants, I found one that worked better for pain than the others.
Some strains are more stable and can produce quality females more reliably. The first time I grew Cinderella 99, I got 4 females that were almost equally great. The F2s on the market today aren't as uniform. Out of the last 20 F2s I grew, I got 9 females. 3 had the same quality of high as the originals from Brothers Grimm. Some of the others were weaker, and some just produced an anxious feeling that's not enjoyable or helpful.
The high (along with the medical benefits) is too complex to be explained by THC and CBD alone. Dozens of cannabinoids and terpenes affect the overall experience. Grow more plants from seed and you'll see the seemingly infinite variety of experiences they can produce.
MMJ Providers Fear Effects of Wider Legalization
By Kirk Johnson
Source: New York Times
medical Seattle -- There should be, one might think, a note of triumph or at least quiet satisfaction in Muraco Kyashna-tocha’s voice. Her patient-based cooperative in north Seattle dispenses medical marijuana to treat seizures, sleeplessness and other maladies. And with the state gearing up to open its first stores selling legal marijuana for recreational use, the drug she has cultivated, provided to patients and used herself for years seems to be barreling toward the mainstream.
But her one-word summary of the outlook for medical marijuana is anything but sunny: “Disastrous,” she said, standing in her shop, Green Buddha, which she fears she will soon have to close.
The legalization of recreational marijuana for adults in Washington, approved by voters in 2012 and now being phased in, is proving an unexpectedly anxious time for the users, growers and dispensers of medical marijuana, who came before and in many ways blazed the trail for marijuana’s broader acceptance.
In the 16 years since medical marijuana became legal here, an entire ecosystem of neighborhood businesses and cooperative gardens took root, with employees who could direct medical users to just the right strain; there are now hundreds of varieties with names like Blue Healer, Purple Urkle and LA Confidential, each with a variety of purported medicinal benefits. Medical users could also start gardens in their backyards and keep large amounts of marijuana at home. It was all very folksy – and virtually unregulated, which the authorities say led to widespread abuses.
Now, under pressure from the federal government, the state is moving to bring that loosely regulated world, with its echoes of hippie culture, into the tightly controlled and licensed commercial system being created for recreational marijuana, which goes on sale this summer. (The first license to grow marijuana was issued on Wednesday.) This week, the Legislature is debating bills that would reduce the amount of the drug that patients can possess or grow, eliminate collective gardens under which most dispensaries operate, require medical users (unlike recreational users) to register with the state and mandate that all marijuana be sold only by new licensees, effectively shutting down the medical dispensary system.
Proponents say the changes are needed to stamp out fraud and help ensure that Washington has a uniform system, supplying the medical products people need and want while at the same time passing muster with guidelines issued by the federal government last summer, even though marijuana remains illegal under federal law. But many medical marijuana users and dispensary owners say the rules will inadvertently discourage the legitimate use of marijuana to treat illness and pain even as science has increasingly been validating its therapeutic effects.
Trusted dispensaries will be shuttered, they contend, and choices will diminish, with the varieties that marijuana medical users prefer squeezed off the shelves by more profitable recreational varieties grown for their greater, high-producing THC content, not for headache or nausea relief. In Seattle alone, about 200 dispensaries will have to close, replaced by 21 licensed retailers, and under current state regulations, employees in those shops will not be allowed to even discuss the medical value of the products for sale.
A medical marijuana user will of course certainly be able to enter a shop and buy marijuana, just like any other adult, once the new stores are open in June, but the old system of medical advice and supply, however flawed or beloved, is over, say both critics and supporters of the new rules.
“Prepare for the end,” said Hilary Bricken, a lawyer in Seattle who works mostly with the marijuana industry, summarizing the advice she is giving her medical marijuana dispensary clients.
Washington State’s struggles – and the inevitable comparison with Colorado’s different, smoother path toward retail marijuana – are being watched around the nation, Ms. Bricken and other legal experts said.
California, for example, with a medical marijuana system far larger but otherwise similar to Washington’s in its absence of state controls, also has active voter-initiative efforts pushing toward legalization. Twenty states as well as the District of Columbia allow medical marijuana, and at least 14 more are considering some form of it this year. Oregon’s Legislature is wrestling with how to administer its dispensary system even as efforts continue to put legalization on the ballot.
Colorado avoided trouble mostly by acting early. There, state regulators stepped in with strict rules for medical marijuana long before full legalization. And after voters approved legalization in 2012, those regulated dispensaries were put first in line for licenses, forming the backbone of the new recreational market. The dispensaries had supplies of the product in the pipeline – and expertise – which is why recreational marijuana sales started there from the first day of legalization, on Jan. 1, while Washington’s are still weeks away.
In Washington, some dispensaries might be well run, others poorly, but without oversight, state officials could not which was which. So a clean sweep – killing off the old system so that a new one could emerge – was seen as the only way forward, legislators say.
“We’re moving from the wild, wild West to the regulated West,” said State Senator Ann Rivers, a Republican and a sponsor of one of the leading bills. A similar bill, sponsored by a Democrat from Seattle, Representative Eileen Cody, passed the House last month.
Ms. Rivers emphasized that her goal was to protect, not punish, marijuana patients, though she said she understood their fear of change. Without formalized rules allowing patients to continue growing their own plants, for example (I-502, the initiative legalizing recreational marijuana, prohibits that), and to have more than one ounce in their possession, arrest and federal prosecution is a real risk, she asserts. Her bill allows for both.
A mandatory registry, she said, provided the legal spine to those protections. Under her bill, a registered patient buying medical marijuana at a licensed store with an “endorsement” from the state to specifically sell medical marijuana would also be exempt from the 25 percent retail tax charged to recreational buyers. (Other state taxes, assessed on growers and producers, would already be included in the retail price.)
“The feds have been very clear, that if we don’t get our ducks in a row, they are going to bring it to a screeching halt,” Ms. Rivers said. “We have a chance right now to define our destiny with this, and if we don’t we will most definitely allow the feds to define our destiny.”
To many patients and providers, though, the proposed mandatory registry is not a good thing. Some patients, especially those receiving Social Security or other federal aid, have said they would refuse to sign up because that would be a legal admission of drug use that they said could jeopardize their benefits. Others have told lawmakers they fear, with hacking and leaks of government data in the news, a loss of private information.
Some dispensary owners concede that the medical system was rife with abuses – but that patients were now about to pay the price.
“The state failed to regulate, allowing doctors to write these prescriptions to 20-year-old gangbangers on the street who said, ‘Oh, I hurt my knee playing basketball,' ” said Karl Keich, a dispensary operator and founder of the Seattle Medical Marijuana Association, a group of collective gardens.
Andrea Mayhan, who takes medical marijuana to control muscle spasms and seizures that she suffers as a result of a degenerative disorder, says she believes she will be able to get the strains of marijuana she wants because she knows what to ask for. New patients, though, might walk in – or, like her, roll in using their wheelchairs – and find a clerk less familiar with medical strains, or prohibited by state rules from giving advice.
“They’re going to be lost,” she said.
By Kirk Johnson
Source: New York Times
medical Seattle -- There should be, one might think, a note of triumph or at least quiet satisfaction in Muraco Kyashna-tocha’s voice. Her patient-based cooperative in north Seattle dispenses medical marijuana to treat seizures, sleeplessness and other maladies. And with the state gearing up to open its first stores selling legal marijuana for recreational use, the drug she has cultivated, provided to patients and used herself for years seems to be barreling toward the mainstream.
But her one-word summary of the outlook for medical marijuana is anything but sunny: “Disastrous,” she said, standing in her shop, Green Buddha, which she fears she will soon have to close.
The legalization of recreational marijuana for adults in Washington, approved by voters in 2012 and now being phased in, is proving an unexpectedly anxious time for the users, growers and dispensers of medical marijuana, who came before and in many ways blazed the trail for marijuana’s broader acceptance.
In the 16 years since medical marijuana became legal here, an entire ecosystem of neighborhood businesses and cooperative gardens took root, with employees who could direct medical users to just the right strain; there are now hundreds of varieties with names like Blue Healer, Purple Urkle and LA Confidential, each with a variety of purported medicinal benefits. Medical users could also start gardens in their backyards and keep large amounts of marijuana at home. It was all very folksy – and virtually unregulated, which the authorities say led to widespread abuses.
Now, under pressure from the federal government, the state is moving to bring that loosely regulated world, with its echoes of hippie culture, into the tightly controlled and licensed commercial system being created for recreational marijuana, which goes on sale this summer. (The first license to grow marijuana was issued on Wednesday.) This week, the Legislature is debating bills that would reduce the amount of the drug that patients can possess or grow, eliminate collective gardens under which most dispensaries operate, require medical users (unlike recreational users) to register with the state and mandate that all marijuana be sold only by new licensees, effectively shutting down the medical dispensary system.
Proponents say the changes are needed to stamp out fraud and help ensure that Washington has a uniform system, supplying the medical products people need and want while at the same time passing muster with guidelines issued by the federal government last summer, even though marijuana remains illegal under federal law. But many medical marijuana users and dispensary owners say the rules will inadvertently discourage the legitimate use of marijuana to treat illness and pain even as science has increasingly been validating its therapeutic effects.
Trusted dispensaries will be shuttered, they contend, and choices will diminish, with the varieties that marijuana medical users prefer squeezed off the shelves by more profitable recreational varieties grown for their greater, high-producing THC content, not for headache or nausea relief. In Seattle alone, about 200 dispensaries will have to close, replaced by 21 licensed retailers, and under current state regulations, employees in those shops will not be allowed to even discuss the medical value of the products for sale.
A medical marijuana user will of course certainly be able to enter a shop and buy marijuana, just like any other adult, once the new stores are open in June, but the old system of medical advice and supply, however flawed or beloved, is over, say both critics and supporters of the new rules.
“Prepare for the end,” said Hilary Bricken, a lawyer in Seattle who works mostly with the marijuana industry, summarizing the advice she is giving her medical marijuana dispensary clients.
Washington State’s struggles – and the inevitable comparison with Colorado’s different, smoother path toward retail marijuana – are being watched around the nation, Ms. Bricken and other legal experts said.
California, for example, with a medical marijuana system far larger but otherwise similar to Washington’s in its absence of state controls, also has active voter-initiative efforts pushing toward legalization. Twenty states as well as the District of Columbia allow medical marijuana, and at least 14 more are considering some form of it this year. Oregon’s Legislature is wrestling with how to administer its dispensary system even as efforts continue to put legalization on the ballot.
Colorado avoided trouble mostly by acting early. There, state regulators stepped in with strict rules for medical marijuana long before full legalization. And after voters approved legalization in 2012, those regulated dispensaries were put first in line for licenses, forming the backbone of the new recreational market. The dispensaries had supplies of the product in the pipeline – and expertise – which is why recreational marijuana sales started there from the first day of legalization, on Jan. 1, while Washington’s are still weeks away.
In Washington, some dispensaries might be well run, others poorly, but without oversight, state officials could not which was which. So a clean sweep – killing off the old system so that a new one could emerge – was seen as the only way forward, legislators say.
“We’re moving from the wild, wild West to the regulated West,” said State Senator Ann Rivers, a Republican and a sponsor of one of the leading bills. A similar bill, sponsored by a Democrat from Seattle, Representative Eileen Cody, passed the House last month.
Ms. Rivers emphasized that her goal was to protect, not punish, marijuana patients, though she said she understood their fear of change. Without formalized rules allowing patients to continue growing their own plants, for example (I-502, the initiative legalizing recreational marijuana, prohibits that), and to have more than one ounce in their possession, arrest and federal prosecution is a real risk, she asserts. Her bill allows for both.
A mandatory registry, she said, provided the legal spine to those protections. Under her bill, a registered patient buying medical marijuana at a licensed store with an “endorsement” from the state to specifically sell medical marijuana would also be exempt from the 25 percent retail tax charged to recreational buyers. (Other state taxes, assessed on growers and producers, would already be included in the retail price.)
“The feds have been very clear, that if we don’t get our ducks in a row, they are going to bring it to a screeching halt,” Ms. Rivers said. “We have a chance right now to define our destiny with this, and if we don’t we will most definitely allow the feds to define our destiny.”
To many patients and providers, though, the proposed mandatory registry is not a good thing. Some patients, especially those receiving Social Security or other federal aid, have said they would refuse to sign up because that would be a legal admission of drug use that they said could jeopardize their benefits. Others have told lawmakers they fear, with hacking and leaks of government data in the news, a loss of private information.
Some dispensary owners concede that the medical system was rife with abuses – but that patients were now about to pay the price.
“The state failed to regulate, allowing doctors to write these prescriptions to 20-year-old gangbangers on the street who said, ‘Oh, I hurt my knee playing basketball,' ” said Karl Keich, a dispensary operator and founder of the Seattle Medical Marijuana Association, a group of collective gardens.
Andrea Mayhan, who takes medical marijuana to control muscle spasms and seizures that she suffers as a result of a degenerative disorder, says she believes she will be able to get the strains of marijuana she wants because she knows what to ask for. New patients, though, might walk in – or, like her, roll in using their wheelchairs – and find a clerk less familiar with medical strains, or prohibited by state rules from giving advice.
“They’re going to be lost,” she said.
Total load of shit. "Pressure from the federal govt" is a bullshit excuse in light of the Colorado experience, as is the notion that Washington's MMJ system needs to be discarded rather than improved. The feds aren't putting the squeeze on them, at all
If Washington's MMJ situation were really a problem, we'd see consequences. We don't, of course, because we wouldn't see any if it were as legal as tomatoes.
Jerks. I'm so glad to live in Colorado where A64 renders such nonsense impossible. The unfortunate situation in Washington should be a wake up call to activists everywhere.
Officialdom cannot be trusted with any aspect of legalization until they're hemmed in, forced to bend to the will of the People by means they cannot overcome. Learn it. Know it. Make sure that citizen initiatives can accomplish that.
If Washington's MMJ situation were really a problem, we'd see consequences. We don't, of course, because we wouldn't see any if it were as legal as tomatoes.
Jerks. I'm so glad to live in Colorado where A64 renders such nonsense impossible. The unfortunate situation in Washington should be a wake up call to activists everywhere.
Officialdom cannot be trusted with any aspect of legalization until they're hemmed in, forced to bend to the will of the People by means they cannot overcome. Learn it. Know it. Make sure that citizen initiatives can accomplish that.
Senate Passes Bill To Regulate Medical Marijuana
By Lisa Baumann and Rachel La Corte, AP
Source: Associated Press
medical Olympia, Wash. -- A measure to overhaul the state's medical marijuana system cleared the Senate Saturday as the state moves to merge that largely unregulated market with the still-developing legal recreational market.
Senate Bill 5887 passed on a 34-15 vote and now heads to the House, which passed a similar measure last month. Both chambers will now negotiate a final bill to reconcile the medical market with the recreational market approved by voters in the fall of 2012.
The changes under the bill sponsored by Republican Sen. Ann Rivers of La Center include reducing the amount of marijuana and the number of plants patients can possess, doing away with collective gardens and establishing a patient registry.
"The bill you have is a result of bicameral bipartisan effort," Rivers said, calling the measure a framework. "This is the very best attempt to protect our patients and their rights while making sure we meet Initiative 502 guidelines," which legalized the recreational use of marijuana.
At the end of 2012, Washington and Colorado became the first states to legalize possession of recreational marijuana by adults 21 and older. The voters also called for the establishment of systems of state-licensed pot growers, processors and retail stores.
Sales have already begun in Colorado, but licensed stores in Washington state aren't expected to open until this summer.
Washington has allowed the medical use of marijuana since 1998. The hundreds of dispensaries that currently exist are not regulated by the state, but they loosely operate under current state law on "collective gardens" that allows qualifying patients to pool their resources to grow, produce and deliver medical cannabis.
Lawmakers have worried that the largely unregulated medical system would undercut the taxed recreational industry established by Initiative 502. U.S. Justice Department officials have warned that the state's medical pot status quo is untenable.
Medical marijuana patients have flocked to public hearings on the issue in both the Senate and House in recent weeks, decrying the potential changes.
Under the measure that passed Saturday, collective gardens would be eliminated on Sept. 1, 2015, meaning that unless current dispensaries receive a license from the state, they will have to close. But under the measure that passed Saturday, patients and designated providers may form cooperative marijuana-growing operations of no more than four participants.
Rivers has said she's sympathetic to patients' concerns, but she's worried about what the federal government will do if the state doesn't make the changes.
"I believe we are doing a lot for our patients in this," Rivers said. "They were at front of mind when we were developing this bill."
Under her measure, the amount of cannabis patients can have would be cut from 24 ounces to 3 ounces. Under the recreational law, adults are allowed to have up to an ounce. The measures also limit the number of plants patients can grow to six. Under current regulations, they can grow 15.
Rivers' bill would allow a health professional to authorize an additional amount, but no more than eight ounces or 15 plants. Her measure would also allow additional amounts for marijuana-infused products like liquids and concentrates.
The measure permits stores to have a medical endorsement to sell medical as well as recreational marijuana and allows an option for endorsed retail stores to solely serve medical-marijuana patients. The bill requires the Liquor Control Board, which is overseeing implementation of Initiative 502, to consider the needs of patients in determining the number of retail licenses issued. Currently, the board has limited recreational retail licenses to 334 across the state, for which there are currently more than 2,000 applications.
The measure also allows patients with an authorization card to not pay sales and use tax at retail stores that have a medical marijuana endorsement. Patients with an authorization card are allowed to grow in their homes, something that recreational users are not allowed to do under Initiative 502.
Also under the bill, the state's Liquor Control Board would be renamed the Liquor and Cannabis Board.
Sen. Mark Mullet, D-Issaquah, voted against the measure because he said no funding was included in the bill for local governments to work with the new regulations. "The only piece of the puzzle we missed is the revenue share," he said.
Sen. Jeanne Kohl-Welles, D-Seattle, said one of her keenest disappoints came in 2011 when then Gov. Christine Gregoire vetoed her legislation to regulate the medical marijuana industry. She and Rivers noted that adding revenue sharing for local governments remains possible and that the bill is work in progress.
By Lisa Baumann and Rachel La Corte, AP
Source: Associated Press
medical Olympia, Wash. -- A measure to overhaul the state's medical marijuana system cleared the Senate Saturday as the state moves to merge that largely unregulated market with the still-developing legal recreational market.
Senate Bill 5887 passed on a 34-15 vote and now heads to the House, which passed a similar measure last month. Both chambers will now negotiate a final bill to reconcile the medical market with the recreational market approved by voters in the fall of 2012.
The changes under the bill sponsored by Republican Sen. Ann Rivers of La Center include reducing the amount of marijuana and the number of plants patients can possess, doing away with collective gardens and establishing a patient registry.
"The bill you have is a result of bicameral bipartisan effort," Rivers said, calling the measure a framework. "This is the very best attempt to protect our patients and their rights while making sure we meet Initiative 502 guidelines," which legalized the recreational use of marijuana.
At the end of 2012, Washington and Colorado became the first states to legalize possession of recreational marijuana by adults 21 and older. The voters also called for the establishment of systems of state-licensed pot growers, processors and retail stores.
Sales have already begun in Colorado, but licensed stores in Washington state aren't expected to open until this summer.
Washington has allowed the medical use of marijuana since 1998. The hundreds of dispensaries that currently exist are not regulated by the state, but they loosely operate under current state law on "collective gardens" that allows qualifying patients to pool their resources to grow, produce and deliver medical cannabis.
Lawmakers have worried that the largely unregulated medical system would undercut the taxed recreational industry established by Initiative 502. U.S. Justice Department officials have warned that the state's medical pot status quo is untenable.
Medical marijuana patients have flocked to public hearings on the issue in both the Senate and House in recent weeks, decrying the potential changes.
Under the measure that passed Saturday, collective gardens would be eliminated on Sept. 1, 2015, meaning that unless current dispensaries receive a license from the state, they will have to close. But under the measure that passed Saturday, patients and designated providers may form cooperative marijuana-growing operations of no more than four participants.
Rivers has said she's sympathetic to patients' concerns, but she's worried about what the federal government will do if the state doesn't make the changes.
"I believe we are doing a lot for our patients in this," Rivers said. "They were at front of mind when we were developing this bill."
Under her measure, the amount of cannabis patients can have would be cut from 24 ounces to 3 ounces. Under the recreational law, adults are allowed to have up to an ounce. The measures also limit the number of plants patients can grow to six. Under current regulations, they can grow 15.
Rivers' bill would allow a health professional to authorize an additional amount, but no more than eight ounces or 15 plants. Her measure would also allow additional amounts for marijuana-infused products like liquids and concentrates.
The measure permits stores to have a medical endorsement to sell medical as well as recreational marijuana and allows an option for endorsed retail stores to solely serve medical-marijuana patients. The bill requires the Liquor Control Board, which is overseeing implementation of Initiative 502, to consider the needs of patients in determining the number of retail licenses issued. Currently, the board has limited recreational retail licenses to 334 across the state, for which there are currently more than 2,000 applications.
The measure also allows patients with an authorization card to not pay sales and use tax at retail stores that have a medical marijuana endorsement. Patients with an authorization card are allowed to grow in their homes, something that recreational users are not allowed to do under Initiative 502.
Also under the bill, the state's Liquor Control Board would be renamed the Liquor and Cannabis Board.
Sen. Mark Mullet, D-Issaquah, voted against the measure because he said no funding was included in the bill for local governments to work with the new regulations. "The only piece of the puzzle we missed is the revenue share," he said.
Sen. Jeanne Kohl-Welles, D-Seattle, said one of her keenest disappoints came in 2011 when then Gov. Christine Gregoire vetoed her legislation to regulate the medical marijuana industry. She and Rivers noted that adding revenue sharing for local governments remains possible and that the bill is work in progress.
Once again folks Washington has given us a clear example of what NOT to do.
Lets all be sure to learn from THIS BIG TIME MISTAKE as other states start to move forward.
Washington has a few too many state certified producers IMO, ..........and I think they are a big influence on removing the previously existing medical system.
"
Q: How many producer and processor licenses will be issued?
A: No limit. The LCB opened a 30 day window in November 2013 where anyone could apply, and qualified applicants will receive licenses. "
If you look at the "tiers" in canopy space they rang from 0-2ksqft, 2k-10ksqft, and 10-30ksqft.
Just think about some of these producers who will be able to grow 30,000 sq ft of cannabis. If one tier 3 producer is harvesting the standard "2lb's per light" or per 16sqft, and only half of your space is dedicated to flower, while the other half is dedicated to veg etc.... Thats 1875 pounds every flowering cycle. ..... . .
From what I have heard its already hard to move flowers in the state, and by the way things are looking, its gonna be flooded up there.
Might end up with Wa indoor vs Ca outdoor for lowest prices these coming years..
Lets all be sure to learn from THIS BIG TIME MISTAKE as other states start to move forward.
Washington has a few too many state certified producers IMO, ..........and I think they are a big influence on removing the previously existing medical system.
"
Q: How many producer and processor licenses will be issued?
A: No limit. The LCB opened a 30 day window in November 2013 where anyone could apply, and qualified applicants will receive licenses. "
If you look at the "tiers" in canopy space they rang from 0-2ksqft, 2k-10ksqft, and 10-30ksqft.
Just think about some of these producers who will be able to grow 30,000 sq ft of cannabis. If one tier 3 producer is harvesting the standard "2lb's per light" or per 16sqft, and only half of your space is dedicated to flower, while the other half is dedicated to veg etc.... Thats 1875 pounds every flowering cycle. ..... . .
From what I have heard its already hard to move flowers in the state, and by the way things are looking, its gonna be flooded up there.
Might end up with Wa indoor vs Ca outdoor for lowest prices these coming years..
GrowingHigher
Active member
For catman:
Strains and individual plants have unique chemical profile. Cannabinoids are the major medicinal compounds but an array of other chemicals are involved. Also these chemicals interact in vivo to create different effects; i.e different strains have different effects.
Its somewhat hard to search for what your are asking for, since most research has asked 'what is the psychoactive chemical?,' which we know to be primarily THC. Many other cannabinoids and terpenes are medicinal but not psychoactive.
This paper is excellent and the whole text is provided. It is the best I could find so far that talks about the differential effects of cannabinoids. Granted they look at the different effects of just 3 of the cannabinoids (THC, THV, and CBD). Such varied effects probably extent to many other cannabinoids and non-cannabinoid chemicals in Cannabis that are also medicinal. It is quite remarkable how different these similar chemicals are in their effects.
The diverse CB1 and CB2 receptor pharmacology of three plant cannabinoids
Strains and individual plants have unique chemical profile. Cannabinoids are the major medicinal compounds but an array of other chemicals are involved. Also these chemicals interact in vivo to create different effects; i.e different strains have different effects.
Its somewhat hard to search for what your are asking for, since most research has asked 'what is the psychoactive chemical?,' which we know to be primarily THC. Many other cannabinoids and terpenes are medicinal but not psychoactive.
This paper is excellent and the whole text is provided. It is the best I could find so far that talks about the differential effects of cannabinoids. Granted they look at the different effects of just 3 of the cannabinoids (THC, THV, and CBD). Such varied effects probably extent to many other cannabinoids and non-cannabinoid chemicals in Cannabis that are also medicinal. It is quite remarkable how different these similar chemicals are in their effects.
The diverse CB1 and CB2 receptor pharmacology of three plant cannabinoids
I am really sorry the way this turned out for patients its pure bull shit from having to register to cutting your plant counts and amounts .now the people who have tried to serve the medical needs get told your going to have to stop now no more co-ops or multi patient grows .seems like the only thing legal is going to be buying from the state if you have needs in excess of these bogus cutbacks to serve the states coffers and forget about anyone but the god money.we all know its nothing but greed at the price of whats right for medical users.i am sorry for all the people who have to pay the price its really not going to do anything but make problems for police and courts not to mention the the medical community if they go after people with more plants in the future. as long as someone is not selling their grow they should be left alone no harm no foul aloha cls
I'm sorry for those who will not prosper from this change, but I still believe this is a move forward to legalizing cannabis in greater parts of American and the world. I don't think we will be seeing any cancer or AIDS patients getting busted with more than 3oz in WA...
The other cannabinoids, like THC, are 5HT1a receptor agonists which is a "master switch" to increase the neurotransmitter serotonin. There may be other therapeutic pathways that have not been discovered. Yes, the different compounds have different affinities (effectively potency) but a user can adjust their dose to their needs easier than the strain. Different compositions of the compounds can be created by harvesting plants at particular levels of maturity as well.
I've never seen any research that has convinced me that terpenes have medicinal benefits beyond those of scented candles.
Anyway, I'm not dismissing the idea that there are still mysteries of this plant waiting to be discovered. I'm just stating that there isn't any current pool of research suggesting that various strains of marijuana are required for medicinal benefits.
The other cannabinoids, like THC, are 5HT1a receptor agonists which is a "master switch" to increase the neurotransmitter serotonin. There may be other therapeutic pathways that have not been discovered. Yes, the different compounds have different affinities (effectively potency) but a user can adjust their dose to their needs easier than the strain. Different compositions of the compounds can be created by harvesting plants at particular levels of maturity as well.
I've never seen any research that has convinced me that terpenes have medicinal benefits beyond those of scented candles.
Anyway, I'm not dismissing the idea that there are still mysteries of this plant waiting to be discovered. I'm just stating that there isn't any current pool of research suggesting that various strains of marijuana are required for medicinal benefits.
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rbt
I believe asking the state legislators to state where all taxes collected from MMj to allocated to state agencies in the Medical field, as this was the intention of the law in the first place. We are going to find in the future that state's will be clamoring to MMJ. for revenue enhancement. Most State's and their Municipalities have huge unfunded retirement obligations. All of these unfunded retirement obligations I guarantee came out of bipartisan agreement too so both parties are looking for monies from this. As well how much is spent on Drug prevention and information should be allocated. It would seem very peculiar to now have the youth pay for the retirement to those of that generation that imprisoned and confiscated property, basically ruined the lives of marijuana users of the past.
Just because mmj got the shaft out of the deal for recreational, doesn't mean the fight is over for mmj patients. Legislators will continue to draft bills that favor revenue. My suggestion for the folks in WA would be to get back up in the saddle and start a petition to get a their mmj rights back. Don't stop fighting now because these politicians are taking cheap shots. Hit 'em back.
Thanks for the support iBogart. I would like to see all of the dispensaries join together into a class action lawsuit against this since mmj was here first. Together they would have enough money to pay for the lawyers. Also many of the patients could help with the fight.
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lemongrove
One thing not mentioned is that they are still working on narrowing down as far as possible, who will be allowed to be classified as a med. patient and how much harder they are going to make to get your med. card. From what I've read and heard from people who work at the state level, is that if you don't have cancer, glaucoma or MS you probably are not going to be able to get your med. card in the future.
It's all about revenue, revenue and more revenue. Eileen Cody, one of the principle writers and sponsors of the new law stated that her purpose for writing it the way she did was to get revenue for other programs. That is exactly what we got. A program to raise revenue for the state and a chance to get rich for greedy marijuana profiteers, the marijuana industry.
My beautiful plant that opened up my mind to a whole new way of looking at life is now going to be just another product for the American zombie consumer. Coming to a stock exchange near you.
It's all about revenue, revenue and more revenue. Eileen Cody, one of the principle writers and sponsors of the new law stated that her purpose for writing it the way she did was to get revenue for other programs. That is exactly what we got. A program to raise revenue for the state and a chance to get rich for greedy marijuana profiteers, the marijuana industry.
My beautiful plant that opened up my mind to a whole new way of looking at life is now going to be just another product for the American zombie consumer. Coming to a stock exchange near you.
I see where you're coming from, but honestly, legalized recreational consumption of cannabis is about freedom. Freedom to smoke it. Freedom to start a business and profit of it. Freedom for Marlboro to get in the business. For Inbev to get in the business. You know? It;s a good thing.
I think the confusion comes about because Cannibis has both medicinal and recreational appeal. So what we're experiencing now is a conflict of sorts on how to best manage both aspects in all levels of trade and commerce. It's going to take some time before we reach the right balance and everyone is on the same page, but I'm optimistic we'll get there.
