waiting for DG card

[jarff]

I am going to be a Desiganted grower for af and am waiting for the card to arrive.Noticed lately police kinda taking a look at me (no i,m not paranoid).I,m 60+ yrs old and beleieve me have dealt with police many times over the yrs.
The guy with the liscense has dropped off a lot of gear....lights,ferts,timers,etc in anticipation of starting up.I,m just wondering if the police do raid me before getting the card from the Med people can they actually charge me with having grow gear in my house,for suspicion of growing,even tho there is no trace of any drugs on the property.The firend who I will be growing for called the office in Ottawa and they said it is OK to store the equipment at my house.Anyone with knowledge in this area.I hate to get busted before I even get started.I know the cops in my area have a hate on for med growers and their des.growers.Thanx for any help
jarff

 

[Grandad OG]

You are completely in the clear bud. You can even have seeds and all the gear to grow at your place and if they raid you are still okay. If you are in Ottawa, there are some nice head shops that sell grow gear, seeds, how to books, all that, it is completely legal. Hopefully you can bring some proper trees to this city (if only for your lucky med patients lol). I'm guessing as long as you have been registered and Health Canada has record, then you can start up without the actual card too.

 

[Grandad OG]

I'm very curious about how difficult it was for you to get your DG card seeing as that would be my dream and I am right here in Ottawa too. Did you have to register as a patient first? Or can you just know some patients who want some real medicine and have them enlist you? I'm very doubtful a doctor in Ontario would prescribe me marijuana over xanax for my panic disorder lmao.

 

[jarff]

I,m on the East coast ..and af with a card signed me up as his Des.Grower because he doesn,t have the know how.I,m more or less doing him a favor,and he covers any expenses.My card is in the mail.I don,t thinkI,d like to have any seeds around without actually having the card in hand.Cops are different all across this big country.Equipment should be fine ,but no sign of seeds or clones until I have the card
I guess it,s common for non knowledgeable liscense holders have ppl. do the work for them.I,m retired and like gardening so all is good in that area
jarff

 

[Mr.Tortoise]

Can't start till paper is in hand. Grow equipment is fine. Seeds I doubt they will do anything, but.... I am in the same boat jarff, except waiting for my personal license. You won't get a card either just a piece of paper. If you are one of the lucky ones you will get a card in the next few months. I know a lot of people who have given up hope on getting the actual driver's licence like card. The piece of paper is the official document and whats important anyways. Once you have that you are good to go.

Grandad OG: If you know a medical patient who wants to have you as a desginated grower it isn't hard. Only thing is you can't have a criminal record. Just have to know someone that wants to let you grow for them, get them to sign passport sized photos of you and a criminal record check.

Peace

 

[growshopfrank]

It took only six weeks for HC to process my card but a little over six months for them to process my DG paperwork so be ready for a bit of a wait
There is no law against having grow equipment unless you are on an undertaking with orders not to possess grow gear.

 

[Grandad OG]

Grandad OG: If you know a medical patient who wants to have you as a desginated grower it isn't hard. Only thing is you can't have a criminal record. Just have to know someone that wants to let you grow for them, get them to sign passport sized photos of you and a criminal record check.

That sounds easy enough to do. I guess all the horror stories about HC have made me a little over cautious.

 

[growshopfrank]

That sounds easy enough to do. I guess all the horror stories about HC have made me a little over cautious.

The level of difficulty is much higher if you do not own the property where you will grow

 

[deepcover]

well im waiitng on a DG license for an end of life care patient... lets see how long it takes HC to process it. i really hope they dont try to justify some long wait time . i dont want that faith in humanity to be even more broken

 

[deepcover]

The level of difficulty is much higher if you do not own the property where you will grow

it depends on your situation. small grow rented property no big deal keep it from your landlord and if he finds out too bad for him worse case scenario you move to avoid hassle

big grow maybe means you are renting seperate property you dont live @ in which case you need LL consent form ... no big deal if u are renting a property to grow at

where it gets iffy is insurance policies and stuff. they are structured unfairly to discriminate against the grower ... grow tomatoes and youll be fine

 

[jarff]

Good info.Thnx fellow IC,ers.I own my house and thus don,t need insurance as long as i,m careful.I hardly leave the house so I always keep an eye open in case of problems with fires etc.I will make sure everything is set up right,with electrician friend who will do the wiring etc. will also have fire extinguishers for electrical fires etc.I will check with insurance just for the hell of it.Might find one with an open minded inspector.i know growers who do have insurance without too many restrictions.I also am located a mile from nearest house in the area where I live,so I,m not a threat to anyone.Always nice to be insured just in case.
jarff

 

[Gm421]

it depends on your situation. small grow rented property no big deal keep it from your landlord and if he finds out too bad for him worse case scenario you move to avoid hassle

Are you sure this is how it works?

I was under the impression If you don't own the property you need the owners and co owners signatures.


Anybody????

 

[BritishColumbia]

Are you sure this is how it works?

I was under the impression If you don't own the property you need the owners and co owners signatures.


Anybody????

You only need to send in form F (consent of property owner) if your cultivation site in not your ordinary place of residence.

 

[Chimera]

'Apparently due to the wording on the forms it's not entirely clear if you need the landlord's permission for the grow if it is your primary residence.

Personally, I think it's a bit of a shame that some growers are taking this route and not obtaining permission from their landlords, because a landlord is LEGALLY OBLIGED to disclose that there has been a grow at the locations when he/she goes to sell the house, which essentially means a costly 'safety certification' for the grow-op remediation pre-sale, or a loss on the value of the property. Granted, often this is not merited, but it is nonetheless the situation that anti-marijuana players have managed to create in the minds of the general population who have a huge fear of buying a 'grow-op' house - and with some legitimate concern; I have seen some incredible damage caused by ignorant cash-driven growers who cared little about the owner's loss.


It would be great if everyone who needs marijuana could afford to own their own house and thus grow their own meds, in their own home, with only financial impacts to themselves.

The reality however, is that some people who need medicine are relatively poor, have problems with employment due to their health, and can't afford medicine and the necessities of life, let alone have the ability to purchase their own property. In this system, if their landlord will not allow a grow on their property, they are forced to either move, grow on site without permission, or contract their grow out to a third party.... which again implies a financial loss on their part in having to pay for the meds instead of growing them for themselves.

Ideally, cannabis would not be cultivated in residential real estate but on agricultural land where rent is MUCH MUCH LESS... it's a damn plant folks- get yourselves some greenhouse space and watch them flourish under the natural sun light, gobbling up organic goodness from the soil and having a small impact on reducing the global CO2 levels, instead of adding to the energy budget by firing up grow lamps, fans, air-conditioners, etc etc.

We need to show some level of responsibility in helping keep this program running without making it look to be a mockery.... the alternative is that the laws are going to change without our input, and it may not be for our benefit.

Jus' sayin',
-Chimera

 

[Gm421]

You only need to send in form F (consent of property owner) if your cultivation site in not your ordinary place of residence.

OK That is good news!!^^

Below is the section of the MMAR in question..

(b) if the proposed production site is not the applicant’s ordinary place of residence and is not owned by the applicant, a declaration dated and signed by the owner of the site consenting to the production of marihuana at the site.

So this means if I live in the house where I grow I don't need a form F (Owners consent)?????
Unfortunately I have been told otherwise

 

[Gm421]

We need to show some level of responsibility in helping keep this program running without making it look to be a mockery.... the alternative is that the laws are going to change without our input, and it may not be for our benefit.
a

Great point! I agree %100 percent!!
Property with a greenhouse is a dream of mine... one day

 

[Chimera]

(b) if the proposed production site is not the applicant’s ordinary place of residence and is not owned by the applicant, a declaration dated and signed by the owner of the site consenting to the production of marihuana at the site.

So this means if I live in the house where I grow I don't need a form F (Owners consent)?????

Essentially, yes. Check with your lawyer to be sure, but at least one lawyer I know of is of the opinion that form F is not necessary if the grow spot is your ordinary place of residence. It doesn't mean your landlord won't take issue with it and you'll be free to grow with impunity from the landlord, but legally you'd be protected from criminal prosecution if you follow the letter of the law as outlined in your exemption.

The point of form F was to landlords know that the tenant was going to be growing in/on their property... imo this was essentially a release to avoid liability for HC. I see this being a future problem for Health Canada and the MMAR, and something that is going to be addressed at some point in time down the road... the section 56 exemption and MMAR is constantly undergoing change.

I still think you are better off growing in a property you own, or somewhere the landlord knows what's up... it just avoids future hassles and tear downs. Again, just my opinion

-Chimera

 

[CyrilSneer]

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We need to show some level of responsibility in helping keep this program running without making it look to be a mockery.... the alternative is that the laws are going to change without our input, and it may not be for our benefit.


-Chimera

Something that everyone with a license to posses or grow needs to learn and practice. There is probably enough momentum within the 'movement' now that total legality for adults is inevitable.. however, having an attitude like Chimera could speed up that process and help things go, how should we say.. our way?

 

[Pangea]

'Apparently due to the wording on the forms it's not entirely clear if you need the landlord's permission for the grow if it is your primary residence.

Personally, I think it's a bit of a shame that some growers are taking this route and not obtaining permission from their landlords, because a landlord is LEGALLY OBLIGED to disclose that there has been a grow at the locations when he/she goes to sell the house, which essentially means a costly 'safety certification' for the grow-op remediation pre-sale, or a loss on the value of the property. Granted, often this is not merited, but it is nonetheless the situation that anti-marijuana players have managed to create in the minds of the general population who have a huge fear of buying a 'grow-op' house - and with some legitimate concern; I have seen some incredible damage caused by ignorant cash-driven growers who cared little about the owner's loss.


It would be great if everyone who needs marijuana could afford to own their own house and thus grow their own meds, in their own home, with only financial impacts to themselves.

The reality however, is that some people who need medicine are relatively poor, have problems with employment due to their health, and can't afford medicine and the necessities of life, let alone have the ability to purchase their own property. In this system, if their landlord will not allow a grow on their property, they are forced to either move, grow on site without permission, or contract their grow out to a third party.... which again implies a financial loss on their part in having to pay for the meds instead of growing them for themselves.

Ideally, cannabis would not be cultivated in residential real estate but on agricultural land where rent is MUCH MUCH LESS... it's a damn plant folks- get yourselves some greenhouse space and watch them flourish under the natural sun light, gobbling up organic goodness from the soil and having a small impact on reducing the global CO2 levels, instead of adding to the energy budget by firing up grow lamps, fans, air-conditioners, etc etc.

We need to show some level of responsibility in helping keep this program running without making it look to be a mockery.... the alternative is that the laws are going to change without our input, and it may not be for our benefit.

Jus' sayin',
-Chimera

Well said.

Groups such as www.mmar.ca are signs of what is to come. It is inevitable.

 

[Gm421]

I just got off the phone with health Canada who said:

All renters applying for production will need a form F

Health Canada checks the owners name form the title to the house.

If the owner and the applicants name don't match you wont be getting a Authorization until a form F is sent in.

Maybe this is new.